Who is the Whore of babylon

[Diaste]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

What are you even talking about ? I don't really know Rick Warren, barely heard his name, All False Religion is not nor can it be individuals by its very nature. It's paganism, its witchcraft, it's MOSTLY Islam today(2 billion people), its Hinduism (1 billion people), it's Buddhism (1/2 billion),and of course there are Churches that are a part of the Harlot, those that teach laws need be kept are IMHO in that order, as are others with weird laws on marriage, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, etc. etc. But the RCC is not one of them IMHO, they teach Christ Crucified, just because you disagree with the way they practice in no wise means they are a part of the Harlot. The Pope is not the False Prophet not can he be, he's not a Jew who I think also has to be a High priest. Rome is a City and by definition can't be of Satan per se cities are inanimate objects. 

 

All who are OF THIS WORLD Jesus said is not of my Father, he said if you love this WORLD the love of God is not in you !! Thus COME OUT OF HER means this evil world (Babylon). You calling out someone by name is a little strange to me to be honest, what if I called out "John Smith" and most of the people hadn't even heard of him ? Jim Jones was evil, as was David Koresh, but they are all just a small part of the Harlot. 

You seemingly get over emotional about individuals that may or may not be a part of the Harlot, but then overlook what the clues say brother. 

This just in, there will be NO UNITY Movement in the end time, but instead it will be just the opposite, the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION and that is the Worshiping of the Beast as the ONLY GOD, meaning he will wipe out Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. all, the Church will of course not be on the earth, so the RCC members will be in Heaven with us, any man not in Heaven better repent and become a Martyr. 

I always found the description of the harlot interesting:

a woman sits on a scarlet colored beast,

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color,

and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,

having a golden cup in her hand 

And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: 

A couple things fit the Catholic ideology. The Pope drinks from a golden cup, the Holy Chalice, and it is said that during communion the wine is ACTUALLY the blood of Jesus. Kinds weird.

Cardinals wear red. Purple is the color of royalty and part of Catholic liturgy.

Dominican and Jesuit priests were the arm of the Inquisitions all over Europe. That any 'christian' group would use kangaroo courts, torture and execution to enforce adherence to a faith is utter abomination. From all reports the victims of the inquisitions were believers in Jesus in opposition to the Pope's supposed divine authority. Just read up on Torquemada and De Morillo to see the brutality of papal authority against the followers of Jesus. Truly a whore drunk with the blood of saints and martyrs.

Countless Monarchs were considered 'Catholic'. 

A synonym for 'catholic' is 'universal'.

The Catholic church is referred to as a 'she' or 'her'.

And what of the great many idols in the Catholic religion? That's some blasphemy and abomination right out in the open. 

True or not that this is the answer to Mystery Babylon, I don't know. Compelling to be sure.

 

 

 

[Diaste]

8 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

This just in, there will be NO UNITY Movement in the end time, but instead it will be just the opposite, the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION and that is the Worshiping of the Beast as the ONLY GOD, meaning he will wipe out Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. all, the Church will of course not be on the earth, so the RCC members will be in Heaven with us, any man not in Heaven better repent and become a Martyr. 

The very nature of your statement is unity under one banner. This "the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION " is unity. Exactly as friendduffthaylorde has said.

[Diaste]

16 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Have some of these traditions creeped into the RCC? Well, maybe, but the RCC is not the Great Harlot nor can it be. The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGIONS of ALL TIME and it was Birthed by Nimrod in Babylon.

Seems to me that any religion is false except for one, 

Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. - James 1:27

The Catholic church is the agglomeration of false religion. At the head is mother/son worship in the idolatry of Mary, just like Semiramis and Tammuz.

Interesting to note is this:

 

These eternal truths were corrupted by her (rather, quite obviously, by the evil one controlling her) into a mythic cycle wherein the great dragon is depicted as the rightful lord of the universe whose throne has been temporarily usurped by One whom we can recognize as the God of the Bible. The serpent creates man in his present miserable state, but promises that a child would one day born of a divine mother---which child would supplant God, become a god himself, and return rulership of the Earth to the serpent. These fables were based upon the then widely-known story of the constellations, and were introduced under the guise of revealing the hidden esoteric knowledge concealed in them (regardless of the fact that the original was quite straightforward).

Although this esotericism was the second element in Semiramis' cult, it only masked the actual goal which was the worship of the "heavenly host," which the Bible equates with Satan's army of fallen angels. Satan was quite willing to receive worship "by proxy", hence the third major element of the mystery religion was emperor-worship. This religion was propagated by a hierarchy of priests and priestesses, to whom were assigned the task of initiating the populace at large into it's ascending degrees of revelation, culminating at the highest level in both direct worship of Satan and demon-possession. - http://ldolphin.org/semir.html

 

The pope is considered the Vicar of Christ, literally 'acting in place of' Jesus Christ and is worshiped like the High Priest. Not only but Mary is the main arbiter between us and our Father, according to Catholics. More blasphemy. Not much has changed since Semiramis and Tammuz; as they were depicted in ancient times so too is Mary and the baby depicted today. That's too close to ignore the connection between the origins of Mystery Babylon and the RCC.

[Revelation Man]

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

I always found the description of the harlot interesting:

a woman sits on a scarlet colored beast,

And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color,

and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls,

having a golden cup in her hand 

She sits on a Mediterranean Beast run by Apollyon, The scarlet Colored Beast (who is now in the pit). She has on the colors that signifies she's a Religious Entity. As per the golden cups, THINK Daniel chapter 5, Mene, Mene, Tekel, they drank from the cups of the Temple of God which is an Abomination.

 

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 

 

Harlots wore their names on their forehead.......these four descriptions are her essence, False Religion.

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: 

 

There is no reason to mention THE SAINTS.....AND.....THE MARTYRS OF JESUS, except the designee here runs the whole gambit of time.

 

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

A couple things fit the Catholic ideology. The Pope drinks from a golden cup, the Holy Chalice, and it is said that during communion the wine is ACTUALLY the blood of Jesus. Kinds weird.

Cardinals wear red. Purple is the color of royalty and part of Catholic liturgy.

Dominican and Jesuit priests were the arm of the Inquisitions all over Europe. That any 'christian' group would use kangaroo courts, torture and execution to enforce adherence to a faith is utter abomination. From all reports the victims of the inquisitions were believers in Jesus in opposition to the Pope's supposed divine authority. Just read up on Torquemada and De Morillo to see the brutality of papal authority against the followers of Jesus. Truly a whore drunk with the blood of saints and martyrs.

Countless Monarchs were considered 'Catholic'. 

A synonym for 'catholic' is 'universal'.

The Catholic church is referred to as a 'she' or 'her'.

And what of the great many idols in the Catholic religion? That's some blasphemy and abomination right out in the open. 

I think this is people trying to fit something that doesn't fit. All the clues must fit. Religious Orders and Royal always wore Purple and Scarlet. The KEY HER is to let us know that the two-sided coin here is [Worldy] Government and False Religion. The Harlot rides the Beast.

P.S. Jesus told the Disciples to drink of his blood at the Last Supper and to eat as its of his body, to remember his sacrifice. 

20 hours ago, Diaste said:

The very nature of your statement is unity under one banner. This "the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION " is unity. Exactly as friendduffthaylorde has said.

UNITY means you unify many religions, that ain't gonna happen. Islamists are not going to worship a man as their God. 

Subjugation is not unity, it's just what Rev. 13 describes, people will worship the Beast or die.

Edited December 23, 2018 by Revelation Man

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

The very nature of your statement is unity under one banner. This "the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION " is unity. Exactly as friendduffthaylorde has said.

And this is and has been the goal of the un and Rome .    Notice politics and religion on a world scale .

Rome actually leads this whole charge .   She is no longer alone .    And men made our churches ready for this unity interfaith blending of the religions .

Rick warren was no accident .  Robert schuler no accident .  Rob bell,  McLaren and scores of others . 

Kenneth Copeland , todd white , beth moore,    you got it all over liberal churches , you have it all over evangelical conservative too .

It may be piped different to each faith , but if we examine who it is they are getting unity with , Its not hard at all to see who is behind this move .

Who is the one that a while back also opened up dialogue for peace and unity among even all the other false religions .

Revelation man is right on one thing ,    the people will be subjugated under one religion a universal mindset .

A mindset which has in fact done began big time .

What revelation man aint seeing ,  IS ITS already began .    And many false prophets , even in our own religion as well as other religions and even secular

are more and more coming under a unity guise .

For the religions , it is done in a way that panders to each religion .

For the different denominations , it is pandered in a way that reaches them .

TO the secular its pandered under the PC guise .

To the secular the idea for a one world govt is sold .

To the religious and religions ROME has pushed for a one world govt ,   even a one world monetary system ,  even economic .

Folks aint seeing that it has already began .

Try and visualize this .

Before JESUS arrived ,  we had JOHN the Baptist in the spirit of Elijah , preparing the people to receive Christ .  He preached the message of repentance .

Now see this .   A dark spirit has come and is working through all kinds of men ,  to prepare the world for the beast , for anti Christ .  Its men preach ACCEPTANCE .

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

The very nature of your statement is unity under one banner. This "the End Time Beast wll subjugate all people under ONE RELIGION " is unity. Exactly as friendduffthaylorde has said.

Something else revelation man may not be seeing .

What is the most deceptive tatic to deceive .

A hint .    Who betrayed CHRIST .    Was it a man from the outside ,  or one who was well cloaked on the inside .

He was among them as one of their own ,   yet he was not of them .   Judas Iscariot , the man OUR LORD even calls the son of perdtion .

The deceiver deceives with the appearance of a lamb , but has the mouth of a dragon .

Folks keep thinking the major deceivers are in other religions .  And while they are deceivers ,  

the ones who come to deceive our own ,   COME FROM WITHIN , as men who are amongst us  in name ,  but not in heart .

The false prophet and prophets ,   appear in name only as being one of us ,  OH but they are not .  Its outward appearance only .

And CHRIST ,  the apostels KNEW IT .     We got a major deceiver at work right now to bring the faiths and religions together as one .

And it has many men and women , many spirits doing its work .   All to lead the world to agree and find a common ground , a common unity

But under what ...........................THE BEAST WHO IS TO RISE over this world .   And their message is WORLD PEACE , WORLD UNITY .

Folks got no idea its already began and its getting far worse and far worse in darkness too .

And men see it as light , as a hope , as a means to end all ills of the world .   This too is why they are being pointed to an idea of a one world political king and kings .

The false prophet really DOES cause the WORLD TO WORSHIP the beast . 

And we running out of time .    And if folks think , AWWWWW we aint going to see this ,  we shall have peace  or we got a one way ticket out of this .

Mark my words ,    our eyes WILL SEE IT , and though it cries peace , HEED IT NOT ,  WAR is in its heart .  Its spirit is already at work .

already making any kind of a one way only , SEEM dangerous .

Already a scape goat for the worlds ills has been found .   A hint ,   its men say , preaching the gospel is very similar to jihad .

OH yes ,  its already at work to plant the idea that COLLECTIVE salvation is IN and exclusive salvation IS OUT .

It prepares the minds of men of all nations ,  to hate the true lambs who are not conforming .

And it will lead the world as one right to this beast who will seem to have all the solutions to the worlds ills .

It is preparing all to gather them to come against the LAMB and His own .  

And its tatics are seen as LIGHT , as love , as good ,  YET ITS TOTAL DARKNESS .    YES the entity behind this move , IS OF GREAT darkness yet appears as an angel of Light .

And it knows HOW to deceive .  ONLY the true lambs in CHRIST will be able to resist the lies and the lie .

WE better cling TO CHRIST and learn our bibles well .   For many deceivers abound and many are in our own religion as men and women amongst us .

OH but they are not of us .    

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

 She has on the colors that signifies she's a Religious Entity. 

And the Catholic church is not a religious entity? The RCC fits the description.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Harlots wore their names on their forehead.......these four descriptions are her essence, False Religion.

Again, an apt description of Catholicism, false religion.

 

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

There is no reason to mention THE SAINTS.....AND.....THE MARTYRS OF JESUS, except the designee here runs the whole gambit of time.

I think you meant 'gamut'. And 'whole gamut' is redundant. But if you did indeed mean 'gamut' then that would include the Catholic church and the Inquisitions, which murdered the saints and the prophets.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

I think this is people trying to fit something that doesn't fit. Al the clues must fit. Religious Orders and Royal always wore Purple and Scarlet. The KEY HER is to let us know that the two-sided coin here is [Worldy] Government and False Religion. The Harlot rides the Beast.

Interesting in that for some time in Europe religion and worldly government worked hand in hand, barely distinguishable from each other. It was the order of the day for religion to guide monarchical edict. And again the RCC would fit this prophecy.

4 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

UNITY means you unify many religions, that ain't gonna happen. Islamists are not going to worship a man as their God. 

Subjugation is not unity, it's just what Rev. 13 describes, people will worship the Beast or die.

 'Unity' is not defined in the context of religion. 'Unity' is 'to form a whole' from whatever scope or sets of material or people. 

Subjugate is your concept and does not fit here. The idea that Islam or Muslims will refuse to worship a man as god is weak considering they worship a rock 5 times a day. And it's more than likely they will worship a man and his image because God said they would, to wit:

and THE WHOLE WORLD marveled and followed the beast. THEY (the whole world) worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and THEY (the whole world) worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”

And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast

it deceived those who dwell on the earth,

And the second beast required ALL people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that NO ONE could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name. - Rev 13:3-17

So yeah, Muslims will not only worship the beast but the dragon as well. I thought you were the Revelation Man? You seem to misunderstand a great deal of end of the age scripture.

I know you're going to say the beast destroys all religions so the above won't be a problem. But what exactly does 'destroy all religions' mean? Does it mean 'destroy the infrastructure of religion'? Or, 'destroy the governing bodies of religion'? Destroy the religious books? The buildings? The people? Destroying the people won't be the case. Allowing that atheists, the non-religious, and 'other religions' (not the major ones) are one group, they comprise about 25% of the total population of earth. This would mean the beast would have to off almost 6 billion people, or 75%, before your 'subjugation' occurs. This is not only non scriptural but absurd.

If that were to happen as you suggest you would likely find a great many of the 'non-religious' getting religion real fast as they witness 7 out of every 10 people killed. Even worse, you yourself have said the beast will clear the table of religion, only to install his own religion, the false religion. So I guess the beast won't get rid of ALL religion.

But lets say the beast destroys everything about religion except for the people. That won't stop 'religion'. Religion is a state of mind and is only manifest in the material. And we're back to the insanity of the absurd notion of killing billions.

 

[wingnut-]

On 12/21/2018 at 2:20 PM, Diaste said:

Sure, i read that as well. If Jerusalem is the city in question then it needs to fit the description of the Great City in Rev 18.

How would that fit?

 

The most important piece is this one.

 

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints,
    and of all who have been slain on earth.”

 

Matthew 23:29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous,30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

 

He is addressing the religious leaders of Israel, and goes on to say....

 

Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 

 

Jesus is God, He doesn't speak out of turn, or make false predictions.  This is what He said, so you can rest assured this is the case.  There is more of course, but for now, this will do.

God bless

[wingnut-]

On 12/21/2018 at 2:20 PM, Diaste said:

Sure, i read that as well. If Jerusalem is the city in question then it needs to fit the description of the Great City in Rev 18.

How would that fit?

 

The cup.

 

Revelation 18:6 Pay her back as she herself has paid back others,
    and repay her double for her deeds;
    mix a double portion for her in the cup she mixed.

 

Zechariah 12:2  “Behold, I am about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to all the surrounding peoples. The siege of Jerusalem will also be against Judah.

 

I have to head to work now, will continue later, Lord willing.

God bless

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

The most important piece is this one.

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints,
    and of all who have been slain on earth.”

It's important to be sure. The most important? That's to be determined I would think.

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Matthew 23:29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous,30 saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. 33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?34 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, 35 so that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

It's problematic to conclude this refers to Jerusalem generally. What is our Lord saying here? He begins by setting the context, "“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach." Again and again our Lord speaks to,

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees," v 13.

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees," v 15.

"Woe to you, blind guides!" v 16.

"You blind men!" v 19.

All the way to v 33 this theme is repeated; Woe!, on the religious leaders of the day, and even today I would assume. Our Lord is addressing personal behavior of the ruling religious sect holding power over the spiritual lives of the Jews. In verse 34 Jesus says the scribes and Pharisees will torture and murder the coming prophets, wise men and teachers. It will be the religious leadership pitted against the saints of God. The prophecy, "upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah," is limited to the scribes and Pharisees from Abel to Zechariah, as Jesus said, "all the righteous blood....from righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah." or all the OT prophets blood is on the hands of the religious leaders of Israel, specifically and not upon Jerusalem generally. This is what Jesus said in specific fashion and there is no mention of Jerusalem from v 1-36.

Further, Jesus was not talking about the prophets or saints in the ensuing 2,000 years, only those prophets from Able to Zechariah, apparently the last prophet of God to suffer martyrdom.

 

1 hour ago, wingnut- said:

He is addressing the religious leaders of Israel, and goes on to say....

Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 

Indeed. So there is no need to change the guilty party from the religious leaders to the city which God loves.

But that ain't the whole thought. Here's the rest; "38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’" The desolate house is the Temple or at least the place of dwelling, desolate, bereft of spiritual life, due to the malfeasance of the religious leaders. Now, v 39 clearly shows it cannot be Jerusalem equates to that Great City Babylon. Babylon is destroyed utterly in a moment and will have no chance to say, "Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord." and then witness Jesus in person. Jerusalem will because it will not be destroyed by God as Babylon will be.

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Jesus is God, He doesn't speak out of turn, or make false predictions.  This is what He said, so you can rest assured this is the case.  There is more of course, but for now, this will do.

God bless

Correct. And so when Jesus is speaking to the personal behavior of the religious powers, with no mention of Jerusalem, and the consequences and curse for that behavior we can be assured that Jerusalem is not that Great City, Babylon.