rev 12 does revelation speak of a new king

[nobleseed]

actually the angel of the Lord is melchizedek who appeared to abraham, and this prophesy of a child is for the future and he cant be running around in the old testament if he hasn't been born. i do agree that he is a prince who fights the evil of his day.

[wingnut-]

On 1/2/2019 at 7:23 AM, noblenut said:

to Christians there is no other king besides Jesus, but rev 12 prophesies the birth of a child, one who will rule with an iron sceptre which he also states in rev 2 and 19.

 

One place to begin in understanding this, is the book of Micah.

 

The Ruler to Be Born in Bethlehem

5  Now muster your troops, O daughter of troops;
    siege is laid against us;
with a rod they strike the judge of Israel
    on the cheek.
2  But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    who are too little to be among the clans of Judah,
from you shall come forth for me
    one who is to be ruler in Israel,
whose coming forth is from of old,
    from ancient days.
3 Therefore he shall give them up until the time
    when she who is in labor has given birth;
then the rest of his brothers shall return
    to the people of Israel.
4 And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord,
    in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God.
And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great
    to the ends of the earth.
5 And he shall be their peace.

 

As to the one who rules with an iron rod, there is little doubt in scripture.

 

The Reign of the Lord's Anointed

Psalm 2   Why do the nations rage
    and the peoples plot in vain?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
    and the rulers take counsel together,
    against the Lord and against his Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us burst their bonds apart
    and cast away their cords from us.”

4 He who sits in the heavens laughs;
    the Lord holds them in derision.
5 Then he will speak to them in his wrath,
    and terrify them in his fury, saying,
6 “As for me, I have set my King
    on Zion, my holy hill.”

7 I will tell of the decree:
The Lord said to me, “You are my Son;
    today I have begotten you.
8 Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage,
    and the ends of the earth your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
    and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.”

 

So, who is the only begotten Son of God?  Pretty easy to answer that question.

 

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

And back to the rod of iron again...

 

Revelation 19:11 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself.13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. 14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. 15 From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. 16 On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.

 

There is little doubt as to who the Word Of God is, or who is King of kings and Lord of lords.  That is the child spoken of in Revelation 12, the only begotten Son of God, born in Bethlehem, and prophesied to rule with a rod of iron.

God bless

 

 

[nobleseed]

michael was first mention in daniel as a king of the jews who fought against the persians and greeks, whether its the same michael in rev i cant say but i assume so and the arch angel michael is one who protects the child who is just got taken to heaven.  whether the woman is the church or an actual woman this child still comes from her and is still to be born.  i have found nothing in scripture that said melchizedek became michael. 

[Jayne]

11 minutes ago, noblenut said:

michael was first mention in daniel as a king of the jews who fought against the persians and greeks, whether its the same michael in rev i cant say but i assume so and the arch angel michael is one who protects the child who is just got taken to heaven.  whether the woman is the church or an actual woman this child still comes from her and is still to be born.  i have found nothing in scripture that said melchizedek became michael. 

Melchizedek does not become Michael the Archangel.  People do not turn into angels. 

Daniel 10, an angel comes to Daniel to help his interpret a vision.  Daniel had been praying for 21 days over this.

He tells Daniel that he is late - 21 days late - because he had to fight the "prince of Persia" - a demonic power over Persia.  He also tells Daniel that when he goes back, that he will have to not only fight the "prince" of Persian but also the "prince" Greece - another demonic force over  a nation.

He says that no one  helps him except with this except Michael, Daniel's prince or if you want to extend that further, the prince - or angelic protector over the tribes of Judah and Benjamin who are enslaved in Babylon..  Michael, the archangel, is not the king of the Jews.  That was Christ.

[nobleseed]

michael was first mention in daniel as a king of the jews who fought against 

[nobleseed]

melchizedek was always an angel, he was the Lord the meets abraham at his tent

[Jayne]

Where does the Bible say that Melchizedek was an angel?  The Bible  says he was a king.  Specifically, a king of Salem. He was not the Lord.  He was not an angel.  He was a man serving as a priest.

Genesis 14:18-20

After his [Abraham's] return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, ……………………... 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. (He was priest of God Most High.) 19 And he blessed him and said,

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
    Possessor of heaven and earth;
20 and blessed be God Most High,
    who has delivered your enemies into your hand!”

And Abram gave him a tenth of everything. 

That's all we know of that encounter.

The Lord met with Abraham at his tent in Genesis 18.  Not Melchizedek..

Edited January 14, 2019 by Jayne

[other one]

He has no mother or father or offspring....     he has no beginning of days nor end of life....    he was made like the "son of God".      "Son of God" can't be Jesus because Jesus had a mother.  He can't be a human for all life was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and his family.

He was some kind of heavenly being that had always existed before the time and space universe was built.  Calling him an Angel would be very short sighted for that term is pretty much misused as a catch all for any being from the spiritual dimensions.

In my personal opinion he was one of the watchers that did not fall and turn against the Godhead.....     but that is only speculation on my part.

 

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Heb 7:1-3

7 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham as he was returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, 2 to whom also Abraham apportioned a tenth part of all the spoils, was first of all, by the translation of his name, king of righteousness, and then also king of Salem, which is king of peace. 3 Without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, he abides a priest perpetually. 
NASB

 

 

[Montana Marv]

Who walked in the Garden. Who did Adam and Eve talk to. Jesus Christ or the invisible God. The same can be said for the King of Salem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[George]

2 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

By the way, John the Baptist was an angel, do not you believe?

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