United Methodists to Vote on LGBTQ Issues

[Neighbor]

12 hours ago, PepperS said:

What happens when the vote goes the wrong way?

Now there is the question that is worthy! (IMO)

There is temptation to flee of course, but when, where, why, and how? Does God want to lead his saints to other places? He has split up many a church before starting perhaps with the dispersion of Bible record. Perhaps He does want to break up a group; and so much prayer, thinking, reading the armor of God His word the Bible, comes into play until God makes known the pathway that is straight. If He makes the straight path lead right through the exit then that is the way to travel, but not until the great and good fight has been waged to save the present post.

It does seem to me that  even the Bible shares of the discussions held by the church's leaders as to the right way to go, and there was debate among leaders and members and there was  splitting apart, all to serve God's good purpose the spreading of the gospel of jesus.

Thing is; where is the next place to be led? Is it just to go carp about conditions elsewhere? Hopefully not. Or is it to service at a new post in the army of Jesus our Lord and savior? I sure want to be led to a new post not just away from an old one. And I sure fear wandering about alone. I want to be filled with the companionship of brothers and sisters, with  the uplifting of the Holy spirit that is among them prevading the atmosphere, with each saint in jesus as  companions, soldiers on the left of me soldiers on the right all serving in an organized army sharing the glory that is God and worship of Jesus  our Lord God and savior.

[other one]

17 hours ago, PepperS said:

What happens when the vote goes the wrong way?

I have several friends who tell me that they may break  away from the denomination if the majority votes yes....    if they can't do that they will leave the church and find another denomination.    I have invited them to our church.

 

[appy]

A new or young Christian isn't going to understand all of it at once. People learn at different paces. That's why it is good for those who are more mature in Christ to mentor them and help them along. But as for the other, I agree that it is something that should NOT be thought of as acceptable. People have bought into a couple of lies since the 1980's and still believe them even though they have been proven to be false through both camps.

[OldCoot]

The United Methodist Church already signed onto the BDS movement against Israel.  Adding this stuff to it seems to really make a solid case on the condition of that denomination.   Unfortunately, they are not the only denomination in very poor condition.  Seems to be the trend.  But it was to be expected.

[OldCoot]

1 hour ago, pinacled said:

Not likely,

The internet is rampid with misinformation. Smearing is a typical tool used to sow divisiveness.

Be vigilant. 

What is not likely?  I want to make sure of what you are saying before commenting.

[OldCoot]

Well, I can speak to the BDS movement thing.  The United Methodist leadership did indeed vote to support BDS.  There has been some infighting going on in the UMC over this.   The BDS website has a news articles stating how the Presbyterian Church USA, The United Methodist Church, and the United Chruches of Christ, the principle founder of the National Council of Churches, of with the both the  PCUSA and UMC belong,  voted to support the BDS movement against Israel.   The Quakers who are also part of the National Council of Churches also is on board with BDS as are the Mennonites.

I am always leery with I see internet folklore, but I do my best to investigate before condemning either side.   And when it comes from the actual parties involved, it is usually reliable news.

https://bdsmovement.net/impact/major-churches-divest

 

[OldCoot]

7 minutes ago, pinacled said:

A common tact of luciferians is coersion. They use such a tact to beguile the larger flock of the Faithful who are not involved with the wolves in sheep's clothing.

If the bds movement is making such a claim, where is the evidence.

 

This ought to keep you busy.  It isn't like churches and the BDS movement is secret.   There were 48,100,000 google hits to choose from. This was just a sampling.....

 

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/58945/international-fellowship-of-christians-and-jews-blasts-methodist-bds-decision-biblical-zionsim/

https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/06/28/presbyterian-church-passes-resolutions-supporting-bds-slamming-israeli-settlements/

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/206386

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/presbyterian-church-rejects-effort-ostracize-bds

http://prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=182

http://www.ucc.org/news_ucc_part_of_ecumenical_effort_opposing_anti_bds_legislation_08222016

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/01/us-churches-vote-on-joining-bds-movement-targeting-israel

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/us/united-church-of-christ-to-divest-israel-to-aid-palestinians.html

https://www.cufi.org.uk/news/usa-united-church-of-christ-votes-to-join-bds/

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249319/how-the-quakers-became-champions-of-bds

http://www.thetower.org/article/quakers-stop-friends/

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/255038

http://jcpa.org/article/major-uk-churches-adopt-christian-aid’s-anti-israel-bds-agenda/

https://worldisraelnews.com/world-council-of-churches-running-bds-program-in-israel/

 

[OldCoot]

1 hour ago, pinacled said:

And? 

That is a typical tact. The enemy may attempt to bolster numbers all they like.

Such futility will be dealt with swiftly as they curse Yisrayl.

As if the ba'al worshippers gnawing and gnashing voices were of any value.

No,

Let em mark themselves for the dead all they like. Nothing will change.

The Holy House of the Lord of Host will not move.

Do you understand?

Ok.  I see what is going on.  Everything is a conspiracy.  Enjoy.

[other one]

6 hours ago, pinacled said:

Not likely,

The internet is rampid with misinformation. Smearing is a typical tool used to sow divisiveness.

Be vigilant. 

the united Methodist church has instructed it's  retirement program and other parts of the church to not do business with the top 5 Israeli banks...    that's such common knowledge you should know about it.

[other one]

*****shakes head and walks away from conversation*****