Does “Counted Worthy to Escape” Prove the Pretrib. Rapture?

[simplejeff]

1 hour ago, R. Hartono said:

Imho Angels hv their battle in  heaven against the dragon, they don't take part in Armageddon battle to decide who Will win the earth n the world of mankind. The army are the raptured saints

No.

The end is already known. 

 

[JLB]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Angels riding horses ? Cowboy????

 

Saints and the Lord riding horses.  

[JLB]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Imho if  we read further to verse 16 this is about the rapture when Jesus come to fetch the bride to heaven

 

We know when the Lord will come with the Church and for the Church, at the resurrection and rapture.

 

At His coming. 

 

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

 

 

 

JLB

[R. Hartono]

4 hours ago, JLB said:

 

Saints and the Lord riding horses.  

When did the Lord gather these saints ? 

[Blood Bought 1953]

On 6/27/2019 at 1:44 PM, frienduff thaylorde said:

Yep and at the risk of it all ,      what has that super hyper grace set you free from .  WHAT has it saved you from .

You sound out praises of how wicked your mind is .   You use david , Abraham , and others as examples of how much sin one can get away with and still be saved .

INSTEAD of warning against their bad examples , WHICH THEY ALL RPENTED OF ,     you and many just point to their faults as if to make ours seem okay

Hyper grace is false my friend . BUT TRUE GRACE IS REAL .   And the grace of GOD which brings salvation that has appeared unto all who truly believe in HIM

TEACHES us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts .

Was paul saved by grace .

was peter

was jude

was james

SO WHY is their approach towards sin , SO DIFFERENT than many men today.      What are the men of today far superior and have far greater knowledge

which by the way CONTRADICTS CHRIST and the apostels knowledge .   You are not seeing the entire picture BB.

WHY did peter who was saved by grace with great urgency say ,   Let us pass the time of our sourjouning here in fear .   Let us work out our salvation with fear and trembling .

OBEY HE who is from heaven.

Not what I hear at all today .    The focus is not on obedience .  IN fact they call that LEGALISM .    smokes and mirrors ,  smokes and mirrors .

FOR WE ARE THE SERVANTS of WHOM WE OBEY and the early church KNEW THAT .   but not today .  TODAY GODS so called love

is so centered on us and not rather ON HE WHO SAVED US .     Our love should PUT JESUS , RIGHTEOUSNESS , HOLINESS , TRUTH , EVERY WORD HE SPOKE

above all .  AND then FROM THAT LOVE we would see HOW to truly and deeply help the other .

Folks , flee hyper grace of todays men .  AND NEVER LOOK BACK .   SEEK the grace that HONORS GOD and SAVES MAN .  NOT the grace that gives license to disobedience

and throws a false hope .  But rather the grace that truly saves and points to LOVING RIGHTEOUSNESS and the brethren .

FOR love that LOVE RIGHTEOUSNESS will honor every word GOD ever spoke , CHRIST ever spoke and from that man will get all the edfication and help he needs . 

You sound out praises of how wicked your mind is .   You use david , Abraham , and others as examples of how much sin one can get away with and still be saved

Wicked? Wow. Harsh words, don’t ya think? I hate sin , don’t promote it and NOBODY “ gets away” with anything. “You can not sin and get by” was what my 4 th grade teacher used to teach us.Truer words were never spoken.

 I hate sin so much I actually found out how to fight it God’s Way.We could add more Laws, but God gave the Jews 613 of them .How did that work out?

 

They were given so that “ sin might increase”.Law stirs up the sin nature.Nobody bothered to track up my neighbors lawn until he put up the “ Stay off the Grass Sign” The Law was “ weak”. Only the Gospel Of Grace has the “ POWER” to pummel sin and get us saved.  

If I was trying to show one could “ get away” with sin, I sure as heck would not have chosen David,David was covered by Grace for his adultery and murder because he was a man of faith.He never lost his Salvation, but his life was wrecked....so you can rejoice over that .....sorry that God Did not damn him, but unfortunately , for Legalists “where sin abounds,Grace abounds more” This does not promote sinning- the love that is created through God’s Grace destroys the WILL to sin.We become allergic to sin,it’s not for us anymore,we get burned every time we sin.Grit your teeth, furrow your brow , and try to fight that Old Sinful Nature by fear,obligation and willpower.I’m gonna REST in the Finished Work Of the Cross, as commanded by God and watch as Grace changes my “ wants”. It is your only hope.

 

[ayin jade]

On 6/27/2019 at 10:44 AM, frienduff thaylorde said:

Was paul saved by grace .

 

Paul wrote the letter to the ephesians.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

4 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

You sound out praises of how wicked your mind is .   You use david , Abraham , and others as examples of how much sin one can get away with and still be saved

Wicked? Wow. Harsh words, don’t ya think? I hate sin , don’t promote it and NOBODY “ gets away” with anything. “You can not sin and get by” was what my 4 th grade teacher used to teach us.Truer words were never spoken.

 I hate sin so much I actually found out how to fight it God’s Way.We could add more Laws, but God gave the Jews 613 of them .How did that work out?

 

They were given so that “ sin might increase”.Law stirs up the sin nature.Nobody bothered to track up my neighbors lawn until he put up the “ Stay off the Grass Sign” The Law was “ weak”. Only the Gospel Of Grace has the “ POWER” to pummel sin and get us saved.  

If I was trying to show one could “ get away” with sin, I sure as heck would not have chosen David,David was covered by Grace for his adultery and murder because he was a man of faith.He never lost his Salvation, but his life was wrecked....so you can rejoice over that .....sorry that God Did not damn him, but unfortunately , for Legalists “where sin abounds,Grace abounds more” This does not promote sinning- the love that is created through God’s Grace destroys the WILL to sin.We become allergic to sin,it’s not for us anymore,we get burned every time we sin.Grit your teeth, furrow your brow , and try to fight that Old Sinful Nature by fear,obligation and willpower.I’m gonna REST in the Finished Work Of the Cross, as commanded by God and watch as Grace changes my “ wants”. It is your only hope.

 

Let all serve Christ .      For whom we serve that one is our master .    So let all exhort with every word written to the churches and all pure holy scrips .

And let inquity not be once named among you as becometh saints .    Let all exhort one another daily , lest any become hardened through the deceitfulness of sin .

And let all know and understand that it is by grace alone you are saved .   The grace that brings salvation and teaches us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts

and to be living soberly righteously and godly as we await the coming of the Lord .   

Every letter written is good for the soul , thus crucify the wicked flesh and let not those things be Once named among you as becometh saints .

Watch how fast some stife would end ,   if our approach and warning towards sin was as dire and grave as was the aposltes and CHRIST .

IF our sincerity and gravity towards sin and error and correction is not the identical one found in the examples of Christ and of the aposltes

then we are slipped and have slipped .    Remember that .    

Here let me leave us with a biblical reminder towards sin and returning to the pit and todays version of it .

For if after KNOWING the way of righteousness they return and are over come the latter end is far worse than the beginning

For better had it been to NEVER have known the way of Rightousness

Todays version .    Man kingdom kids we cant outsin Daddy papa Gods love ,  now try not to do evil ,  But hey if one said a prayer and meant it

and returns to the pit , say a gay man died in the act of that fornication ,   HE IS STILL SAVED ,   

HOW DIFFERENT and quite opposite that last approach is .      YES ,   lets open bibles ONLY and start fresh again for hours daily reading .  OH what a refreshing it is .

[frienduff thaylorde]

Now , I want everyone to go find in the bible where JESUS said to those who had sinned or those who followed HIM , these words .

HEY   , MAN its all right ,  try and sin a lil less ,  MY DADDY PAPPA GOD knows yall cant stop sinning ,   Hey even if you are overcome in sin ,   If you said a prayer

and meant it at one time , and then return to the pit ,  ALL IS WELL , ALL IS WELL you are saved .  

IT will do all well ,   for the more they search for that and DONT FIND IT ,   at least they will be reading over and over again HOW JESUS approached .

While we are at it ,  lets look at how ALL inclusive JESUS was too .     Does anyone remember JESUS saying ,  Now tone down the gospel

If a man has good works alone he is fine .    Lets get along for world peace and unity .    Or if a man denies me ,   don't believe in me ,   oh its okay

They will be saved too .     YEP ,    we really better start reading bibles a whole lot .   Cause  I assure us , JESUS was in now way like anything I see today

nor the apostles .    JOHN didn't seem to be ,  HEY if one brings another gospel ,     Just eat and dine with him ,  SHOW him and spray him with affections

and tone down all reminders for the sake of unity .   NOPE ,  that aint what JOHN said .

And paul never said hey if folks bring ANOTHER gospel ,   or preach another JESUS ,   perhaps LIKE AN ALL INCLUSIVE WORLD PEACE ONE ,

oh just embrace them and let the angels sing .    NOT what paul said either .

WE NEED TO GET THE GOSPLE BACK TO THE FORE FRONT and also CORRECTION to the churches Back to the fore front . 

[JLB]

8 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

When did the Lord gather these saints ? 

 

He will gather them at the end of the age, on the last Day, at His coming. 

 

 

JLB 

[R. Hartono]

15 hours ago, JLB said:

He will gather them at the end of the age, on the last Day, at His coming. 

JLB 

This armies already gathered in heaven and they follow Jesus from heaven to the Armageddon battle.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.