ayin jade Posted July 28, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2019 If I might add.. To say that one has to live together first to see if you are compatible is essentially saying that God doesnt know what is best. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted July 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, RTCarroll said: I do agree it is not sinful, but does God require. Look at what marriage has become under the government. People being married multiple times, some people as many as 5 and 6 marriages. Marriages that last a few weeks, not to mention the latest inclusion of same sex couples. Could a service with your church and your pastor not suffice, take the government out of it and make it between God and the couple. Let me chew on this a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted July 28, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,830 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 28, 2019 Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed. Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 Love, Romance, marriage , sex ......no different than any other decisions in the Life Of a Believer .....do it God’s Way and be blessed — do it any other way and miss out on that blessing.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,242 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,657 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 How serious is fornication? There will be no-one in heaven who practices sex outside of marriage (fornication). 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Ti 1:9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for theungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine Heb 13:4 Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 15 hours ago, Melinda12 said: Fornication? In this modern age, lots of people live together without marriage but in a fully committed relationship built on love and respect. It could be their circumstances that mean finances or other practical considerations mean they have delayed getting married. It could be they think it is sensible to spend a year or two getting to know each other before making the biggest most serious legally binding contract two people can ever make. Romance and love are good and natural. But marriage is not to be entered into hastily. How does a christian proceed for the best? Is it possible to truly love Jesus Christ but live with the partner you love without marriage? Assuming complete faithfulness to each other. It is best as a born again Christian to save your body for your husband or wife. I know that this world sees it very differently and that people are living together now and even having children. That is willfully sinning. We need to be obedient to God. Acts 15:20 1 Corinthians 5:1 2 Corinthians 12:21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) The principle is of course there for us in the Bible and is essentially the right way. Yes of course. I just think there is room for understanding of individual circumstances. Those concerned must pray and be guided by prayer. Not for others to judge. If two people are 100% committed to each other, in love, and believe in Jesus, then a delay in actually getting married is surely not the greatest of sins.. We should not condemn them harshly. Love is a wonderful thing but marriage is a legally binding contract which in today's world is very often ending in bitter expensive divorce. There's a lot more to it. What is utterly wrong is sleeping around casually. That is truly sinning and always bad news. Edited July 29, 2019 by Melinda12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 771 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,937 Content Per Day: 3.07 Reputation: 1,979 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Melinda12 said: It could be they think it is sensible to spend a year or two getting to know each other before making the biggest most serious legally binding contract two people can ever make. Why would getting to know each other is related with having sex outside marriage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who me Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,300 Content Per Day: 1.72 Reputation: 1,685 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Melinda12 said: Fornication? In this modern age, lots of people live together without marriage but in a fully committed relationship built on love and respect. It could be their circumstances that mean finances or other practical considerations mean they have delayed getting married. It could be they think it is sensible to spend a year or two getting to know each other before making the biggest most serious legally binding contract two people can ever make. Romance and love are good and natural. But marriage is not to be entered into hastily. How does a christian proceed for the best? Is it possible to truly love Jesus Christ but live with the partner you love without marriage? Assuming complete faithfulness to each other. What is ones pattern in life that Christian are following? Who do Christians seek to please? Is it right that Christian should copy what the world does? The teaching of Christian leaders and strangly the results of scientific statistical study agree. The public purpose of marriage: https://winteryknight.com/2019/06/23/ryan-t-anderson-lectures-on-marriage-and-why-it-matters-9/ to attach mothers and fathers to their children there is no such thing as parenting, there is only mothering and fathering the evidence shows that children benefit from mothering and fathering boys who grow up without fathers are more likely to commit crimes girls who grow up without fathers are more likely to have sex earlier Children benefit from having a mother and a father can’t say that fathers are essential for children if we support gay marriage, which makes fathers optional without marriage: child poverty increases, crime increases, social mobility decreases, welfare spending increases Here’s what Jesus says about marriage. Matthew 19:1-11: If you really accept Jesus as God, then you can’t think he is wrong when he explains what marriage is. Period. End of issue. https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/02/13/5-facts-cohabitation-may-not-know/ https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/10/premarital-cohabitation-divorce/573817/ couples who wait until marriage to have sex report higher relationship satisfaction (20% higher), better communication patterns (12% better), less consideration of divorce (22% lower), and better sexual quality (15% better) than those who started having sex early in their dating https://ifstudies.org/blog/children-in-single-parent-families-are-more-likely-to-witness-domestic-violence/for every 1,000 children in intact families, 19 had witnessed one or more violent struggles between parents or other household members. By comparison, among children living with a divorced or separated mother, the rate of witnessing domestic violence was seven times higher: 144 children per 1,000 had had one or more such experiences. Even children living with both biological parents who were cohabiting—rather than married—had more than double the risk of domestic violence exposure as those with married birth parents: 45 out of 1,000. If one won't obey Jesus, will the stats make one sensible and live as a Christian ought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandalfTheWise Posted July 29, 2019 Group: Royal Member Followers: 24 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,459 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 2,377 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/23/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Melinda12 said: The principle is of course there for us in the Bible and is essentially the right way. Yes of course. I just think there is room for understanding of individual circumstances. Those concerned must pray and be guided by prayer. Not for others to judge. If two people are 100% committed to each other, in love, and believe in Jesus, then a delay in actually getting married is surely not the greatest of sins.. We should not condemn them harshly. Love is a wonderful thing but marriage is a legally binding contract which in today's world is very often ending in bitter expensive divorce. There's a lot more to it. What is utterly wrong is sleeping around casually. That is truly sinning and always bad news. There are two questions every Christian couple should consider. 1. Is this the person I should marry? 2. When should we get married? It's ironic that most Christian advice centers around identifying the right person but rarely addresses the timing of marriage. Back in my generation (married in the early 80s), it was common Christian "wisdom" to wait until you graduated from college (or got a good job, or were financially stable, or whatever) before you got married. Often, this would be years down the line. In hindsight, that was silly. The net result was usually a couple planning to get married who after months of falling more and more in love started having more and more issues with keeping their hands off each other before the honeymoon. At a stage in their relationship when they should naturally become more intimate, they were instead conflicted over what was and was not appropriate to do before marriage. Why wait for arbitrary financial or educational milestones? Most Christian couples our age who've been married for decades would now give the advice, why wait to get married if you are going to? If you are not sure you should marry someone, don't get heavily involved with them. If you are sure you are going to marry someone, just get married and start your life together as a married couple. One of the best things my wife and I did as a couple was get married 2 years before I graduated college instead of waiting until after. The memories of those last two years of college (struggling financially in a tiny 1 BR apartment) are good ones. I too do see a difference in consequences between physical intimacy and romance and love in multiple casual relationships and a deep serious one likely to end up as lifelong one. However, while being in a deep relationship which ends in a break up before marriage might prevent a messy divorce, it will still likely cause some degree of emotional hurt and baggage that makes the next relationship harder. The reality is that almost all long term relationships go through 3 general stages: infatuation/passion, disillusionment, and then contentment. You start out deeply and passionately in love, the infatuation dies and you start to see the person for who they really are, and then you get to the real work of becoming an indispensable part of the other's life without depending on strong hormones. Without a lifelong commitment of marriage, most couples hit the disillusionment phase, think it means that this is the wrong person, and go their separate ways and try again. Some marriages end because couples don't realize the natural progression a relationship goes through and they give up at the disillusionment stage. These people often sadly end up in a cycle of multiple serious relationships which start off strongly with passion and infatuation and then leave when that is gone. Some learn from their first mistakes, but others keep on making the same mistakes, and others give up. I just think Christians need to set an example of how to do relationships effectively. When two Christians clearly are cohabiting sans marriage, it sends a message and sets an example that marriage is optional in a relationship. This is NOT a message Christians should be sending to other Christians or the world. We should be setting an example of setting solid high standards of selecting a future mate and then showing how to make that work for life in a way that both partners are much better off having been married for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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