The TRIBULATION

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Does this need a correction?

Since that is what the Bible says......No.

[Diaste]

31 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Since that is what the Bible says......No.

Um, you realize you said, "believers in a 1000 year TRIBULATION."?

If that isn't a typo, could you explain?

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Diaste said:

Um, you realize you said, "believers in a 1000 year TRIBULATION."?

If that isn't a typo, could you explain?

Oh ok I see what you are saying. Thanks, I fixed it. 

[JoeCanada]

On 8/6/2019 at 1:10 PM, missmuffet said:

All of the unbelievers at the end of the tribulation will be banished to Hades where they will go to the White Throne judgment at the end of the 1000 year millennium.  Matthew 25:31-46

Hi missmuffet,

I don't believe that statement is true.

Mathew 25:31-46 is about the sheep and goat judgment. This judgment is after the Lord comes with His angels and sits on His throne. 

He judges everyone who is alive after the 70th week is completed. Everyone from all the nations. Everyone except the believers.

All the believers in Him will not be judged. They already have their resurrected bodies. They will rule and reign with Him.

The sheep that are judged, He says this to them...."Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world".

If Jesus is going to rule with a rod of iron, and believers rule with Him and are Kings and priests, then who is He going to rule if, as you say, 

"Only the believers will enter the 1000 year millennium"

Can you explain please.

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Hi missmuffet,

I don't believe that statement is true.

Mathew 25:31-46 is about the sheep and goat judgment. This judgment is after the Lord comes with His angels and sits on His throne. 

He judges everyone who is alive after the 70th week is completed. Everyone from all the nations. Everyone except the believers.

All the believers in Him will not be judged. They already have their resurrected bodies. They will rule and reign with Him.

The sheep that are judged, He says this to them...."Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world".

If Jesus is going to rule with a rod of iron, and believers rule with Him and are Kings and priests, then who is He going to rule if, as you say, 

"Only the believers will enter the 1000 year millennium"

Can you explain please.

Do you believe that Christians will be judged? When do you believe this will happen? Who do you think will be going into the 1000 year millennium? 

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Do you believe that Christians will be judged? When do you believe this will happen? Who do you think will be going into the 1000 year millennium? 

Yes, Christians will appear at the Bema seat judgment of Christ.

This will happen after the rapture.

I explained above who goes into the millennium with the believers.

Why do you think it will be only believers that go into the millennium?

Who is Christ going to rule with a rod of iron in the millennium?.......and the believers with Him?

Who are the believers, who are to become Kings and priests, going to be kings and priests over?

[Marilyn C]

29 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Yes, Christians will appear at the Bema seat judgment of Christ.

This will happen after the rapture.

I explained above who goes into the millennium with the believers.

Why do you think it will be only believers that go into the millennium?

Who is Christ going to rule with a rod of iron in the millennium?.......and the believers with Him?

Who are the believers, who are to become Kings and priests, going to be kings and priests over?

Hi Joe,

The Body of Christ will not be in the millennium on earth. They are kingpriests in the third heaven on Christ`s own throne. (Rev. 3: 21) There are NO kingPriests on earth. There is one king regent named David, and there will be priests from Israel. (Jer. 30: 9,   Isa. 66: 21)

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

On ‎8‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 5:40 AM, missmuffet said:

All of the unbelievers at the end of the tribulation will be banished to Hades where they will go to the White Throne judgment at the end of the 1000 year millennium. Only the believers will enter the 1000 year millennium Matthew 25:31-46

Hi MM,

Believers, the Body of Christ will be with Christ on His throne in the third heaven during the tribulation and millennium. Our salvation is based on Christ`s finished work on the cross.

The people who are judged by the Lord, however, when He returns to earth, are those (sheep) that either looked after His brethren, (the people of Israel) or those (goats) who did not look after His brethren, in the tribulation. (Matt. 25: 40)

Marilyn.

[missmuffet]

26 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Yes, Christians will appear at the Bema seat judgment of Christ.

This will happen after the rapture.

I explained above who goes into the millennium with the believers.

Why do you think it will be only believers that go into the millennium?

Who is Christ going to rule with a rod of iron in the millennium?.......and the believers with Him?

Who are the believers, who are to become Kings and priests, going to be kings and priests over?

Only believers will enter the 1000 year millennium. There will be believers who enter the 1000 year millennium who do not have resurrected bodies. They will have children. Some of those children will come against Christ.

Question: "Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom?"

Answer: There will be two distinct groups occupying the Earth during the millennial kingdom—those with glorified bodies, and those with earthly bodies who lived through the tribulation and on into the millennial kingdom. Those with glorified bodies consist of the Church, receiving glorified bodies at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 51-53), and those who are resurrected after Christ returns to Earth (Revelation 20:4-6). Those who have earthly bodies can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews (Israel).

In Revelation 19:11-16, we find the return of Jesus Christ to Earth, known as His second coming. The rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53) is an appearing of Christ in the air, not His second coming. I mention this to make a distinction between the rapture and the second coming of Christ. There is no mention in Revelation 19-20 of any kind of rapture event. The implication is that saints who are on Earth when Christ returns will remain on Earth to enter the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies. If the rapture or any kind of event where a living believer receives a glorified body were included in the second coming of Christ to Earth, one would expect to find reference to such a major event in Revelation 19. But no such reference is to be found. The only event that results in believers receiving glorified bodies is found in Revelation 20:4-6 where those who became believers during the Tribulation and were killed because of their faith are resurrected. It is also believed that at this same time Old Testament saints will be resurrected, also receiving glorified bodies (see Daniel 12:2).

Matthew 25:31-46 is another passage that should be considered. This passage is commonly called the separation or judgment of the sheep and the goats. The sheep and goats refer to righteous and unrighteous Gentiles. Christ will judge the unrighteous Gentiles (goats), and they will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). Therefore, no unbelieving Gentile will survive to live on into the millennial kingdom. The righteous Gentiles, or sheep, will live on into the millennial kingdom. They will give birth to children and will populate the Earth. However, these are not the only ones who will be producing children during the millennial kingdom.

The impression is given that when Christ returns, all Israel will trust in Him (Zechariah 12:10). They, too, will not receive glorified bodies (as did those who were raptured prior to the tribulation and those resurrected afterward). They also will produce children during the millennial kingdom.

So, believing Gentiles, Israel, and resurrected/raptured believers (all of whom have glorified bodies) will occupy the Earth. It should be noted, however, that believers with glorified bodies will not be reproducing. There is no marriage after this life (Matthew 22:30).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility of faith in Christ as all people of past ages have (faith in Christ since His coming; faith in God before—Genesis 15:2-6; Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 3:20). Unfortunately, not all of the children that are born during the millennial kingdom will come to faith in Christ. Those that do not will be led away by Satan into rebellion against God at the end of the millennial kingdom when Satan is let loose for a short time (Revelation 20:7-10).

For a further look at this subject (who will live into the millennial kingdom), look also at the following passages: Isaiah 2:2-4; Zechariah 14:8-21; Ezekiel 34:17-24; Daniel 7:13-14; Micah 4:1-5.

https://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-kingdom.html

Edited August 17, 2019 by missmuffet

[JoeCanada]

16 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Only believers will enter the 1000 year millennium. There will be believers who enter the 1000 year millennium who do not have resurrected bodies. They will have children. Some of those children will come against Christ.

Question: "Who will occupy the Millennial Kingdom?"

Answer: There will be two distinct groups occupying the Earth during the millennial kingdom—those with glorified bodies, and those with earthly bodies who lived through the tribulation and on into the millennial kingdom. Those with glorified bodies consist of the Church, receiving glorified bodies at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23, 51-53), and those who are resurrected after Christ returns to Earth (Revelation 20:4-6). Those who have earthly bodies can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews (Israel).

In Revelation 19:11-16, we find the return of Jesus Christ to Earth, known as His second coming. The rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53) is an appearing of Christ in the air, not His second coming. I mention this to make a distinction between the rapture and the second coming of Christ. There is no mention in Revelation 19-20 of any kind of rapture event. The implication is that saints who are on Earth when Christ returns will remain on Earth to enter the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies. If the rapture or any kind of event where a living believer receives a glorified body were included in the second coming of Christ to Earth, one would expect to find reference to such a major event in Revelation 19. But no such reference is to be found. The only event that results in believers receiving glorified bodies is found in Revelation 20:4-6 where those who became believers during the Tribulation and were killed because of their faith are resurrected. It is also believed that at this same time Old Testament saints will be resurrected, also receiving glorified bodies (see Daniel 12:2).

Matthew 25:31-46 is another passage that should be considered. This passage is commonly called the separation or judgment of the sheep and the goats. The sheep and goats refer to righteous and unrighteous Gentiles. Christ will judge the unrighteous Gentiles (goats), and they will be cast into the lake of fire for eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). Therefore, no unbelieving Gentile will survive to live on into the millennial kingdom. The righteous Gentiles, or sheep, will live on into the millennial kingdom. They will give birth to children and will populate the Earth. However, these are not the only ones who will be producing children during the millennial kingdom.

The impression is given that when Christ returns, all Israel will trust in Him (Zechariah 12:10). They, too, will not receive glorified bodies (as did those who were raptured prior to the tribulation and those resurrected afterward). They also will produce children during the millennial kingdom.

So, believing Gentiles, Israel, and resurrected/raptured believers (all of whom have glorified bodies) will occupy the Earth. It should be noted, however, that believers with glorified bodies will not be reproducing. There is no marriage after this life (Matthew 22:30).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility of faith in Christ as all people of past ages have (faith in Christ since His coming; faith in God before—Genesis 15:2-6; Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 3:20). Unfortunately, not all of the children that are born during the millennial kingdom will come to faith in Christ. Those that do not will be led away by Satan into rebellion against God at the end of the millennial kingdom when Satan is let loose for a short time (Revelation 20:7-10).

For a further look at this subject (who will live into the millennial kingdom), look also at the following passages: Isaiah 2:2-4; Zechariah 14:8-21; Ezekiel 34:17-24; Daniel 7:13-14; Micah 4:1-5.

https://www.gotquestions.org/millennial-kingdom.html

So who are these? They are outside the city.....

Revelation 22:14-15 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

¹⁴ Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.¹⁵ Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.