Predestination

[Sower]

On 10/9/2019 at 7:03 PM, vinho1000 said:

Acordingly with the bible, God chosen before of the foundation of the world some individuals to be saved. This election was based only in the free decree of God without the works of man. Some were chosen and others are reprobates. Olny the chosen ones will be save.

 

2 Peter 3:9

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

 

[Neighbor]

On 10/10/2019 at 1:49 AM, missmuffet said:

No one is special and "chosen" to be saved.

Seems to me many are for God has not only foreknown, He has predestined it. Plus of those given Jesus,  He loses not a one. Plus a whole nation will be brought to their salvation they are chosen.

 

^{From Romans 8..."} For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?  But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

Our Victory in Christ

 In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;  and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

²⁸ And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose.  For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;  and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?  Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;  who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.  Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?  Just as it is written,

“For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,  nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

 

[missmuffet]

I am not a believer of Calvinism. They believe certain people are chosen to get to heaven. 

[Michael37]

29 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son,

Why is there so much misappropriation of this portion of Scripture? The simple truth is that in His eternal wisdom God always knows who has faith in His Son Jesus for salvation, and has provided for these to be conformed to the image of His Son as a consequence of their faith in Him. This speaks of God's gracious character in providing for His own rather than the enforcing of His Will.

If I set out to walk to the end of my street as long as I stay on the street I am predestined to reach the end of it, such is the nature of streets and walking.

[Alive]

I believe that God elects individuals for a variety of purposes and has done so since Abraham.

Before Abraham, But Abraham was the start of establishing a people that would put feet on a piece of land and hold it for God...thus He becomes the God of heaven and earth.

Among many other things, the sons of God in the Church age, perform the same function spiritually.

When God reigns in our hearts...the Kingdom extends from heaven to earth. This is important to our Father.

Me thinks.

[Michael37]

2 minutes ago, Alive said:

I believe that God elects individuals for a variety of purposes and has done so since Abraham.

Before Abraham, But Abraham was the start of establishing a people that would put feet on a piece of land and hold it for God...thus He becomes the God of heaven and earth.

Among many other things, the sons of God in the Church age, perform the same function spiritually.

When God reigns in our hearts...the Kingdom extends from heaven to earth. This is important to our Father.

Me thinks.

Yes, the distinction between God's "general election" of whosoever will (John 3:16) and His "special election" of whomever He wills (Acts 9:15-16) is evident throughout Scripture.

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, the distinction between God's "general election" of whosoever will (John 3:16) and His "special election" of whomever He wills (Acts 9:15-16) is evident throughout Scripture.

I am not sure that is a distinction with a difference, but I don't wish to debate it.

[Michael37]

12 minutes ago, Alive said:

I am not sure that is a distinction with a difference, but I don't wish to debate it.

Wise decision.

[Michael37]

1 minute ago, DustyRoad said:

Many are called but few are chosen.

Absolutely.

[Buddy D. Mouse]

Many are cold but few are frozen.