God And Allah The Same

[ReneeIW]

1 minute ago, Steve_S said:

I would argue that Muslim faith does not start at the God of the old testament, but at Muhammad. They believe that Muhammad is the prophet and what he said is supreme

Yes, They believe Muhammad is Supreme and that all prophecy ENDS with Muhammad, not begins.

They also believe in the second coming, but do not believe Christ is God.

They absolutely believe God gave the Torah to Moses. You may want to research that. Obviously they interpret the Torah differently because they are not God’s people.

 

[Steve_S]

Just now, ReneeIW said:

Never ever said it had anything to do with Muslims. You made a blanket statement that Christ is God  has been revealed to “everyone” in the world. 

I said he revealed Himself to everyone in the world, and He did. The jews were given a spirit of stupor because of their disobedience. The idea that God will ultimately give people over to their sin consistent throughout the scriptures in the old and new testament. Pharaoh is an example of this. He hardened his heart through the first two plagues. In other words, he declared, through his actions, that he is against God. After that (except for once I believe), it was God who hardened pharaoh's heart.

When I said that Jesus has revealed to all that He is God, I meant that He has done so through His word. It is no secret that Jesus is God and Jesus made it no secret in the scriptures. The lack of acceptance of such is an individual responsibility. It's not corporate.

 

[Steve_S]

2 minutes ago, ReneeIW said:

Yes, They believe Muhammad is Supreme and that all prophecy ENDS with Muhammad, not begins.

They also believe in the second coming, but do not believe Christ is God.

They absolutely believe God gave the Torah to Moses. You may want to research that. Obviously they interpret the Torah differently because they are not God’s people.

I didn't intimate that they believe that prophecy begins with Mohammad. I said that their *faith* starts with mohammad, which was a response to you saying their faith starts with believing that Allah is the God of the old testament. That is not where their faith begins. Their faith begins with Mohammad's teachings, nowhere else. They believe what he said, above all others. They are not taught about Moses through any interpretive lens that is not Koranic. That's my ultimate point.

[ReneeIW]

2 minutes ago, Steve_S said:

I didn't intimate that they believe that prophecy begins with Mohammad. I said that their *faith* starts with mohammad, which was a response to you saying their faith starts with believing that Allah is the God of the old testament. That is not where their faith begins. Their faith begins with Mohammad's teachings, nowhere else. They believe what he said, above all others. They are not taught about Moses through any interpretive lens that is not Koranic. That's my ultimate point.

I get what you are saying now.

I don’t think I was articulating my point well. I think I was trying to say that the root of their faith starts with Moses, because if they believe God gave the Torah to Moses, that obviously occurred before Mohammad came unto the scene. But what you are saying is correct. Their faith starts with Mohammed(however you spell his name) but they accept that prophesy started before him. 

I was just trying to explain that if they believe prophecy started with Moses, they must have some belief in  the God of Moses or why else would they accept the Torah as inspired?

But of course I absolutely agree that their faith is built on Muhammad who was a false prophet. 

[missmuffet]

Allah is a false god.

[Steve_S]

1 minute ago, ReneeIW said:

I don’t think I was articulating my point well. I think I was trying to say that the root of their faith starts with Moses, because if they believe God gave the Torah to Moses, that obviously occurred before Mohammad came unto the scene. But what you are saying is correct. Their faith starts with Mohammed(however you spell his name) but they accept that prophesy started before him. 

It's transliterated in English, so that name is spelled 50 different ways and I probably spell it differently every time, lol, not even on purpose.

3 minutes ago, ReneeIW said:

I was just trying to explain that if they believe prophecy started with Moses, they must have some belief in  the God of Moses or why else would they accept the Torah as inspired?

They believe a false narrative of God and Christ would probably be the best way to put it, but I don't believe they are worshiping God in any capacity. They don't actually accept the Torah as inspired. They believe the Torah was corrupted (I don't even think they would call it the Torah). They think any text kept by Jews or Christians has been entirely polluted, which is pretty absurd when you look at some of the textual agreements, particularly when the dead sea scrolls are brought into play with a book like Isaiah, of which there was a complete copy found that was shown to have went virtually unchanged through multiple copies over the course of seven or eight centuries.

They have basically been led into idolatry by a false prophet. Their idea of who God is is not who God has revealed Himself to be in any capacity. As such, they are not worshiping God. They are worshiping their prophets idea of a god.

[Guest]

11 hours ago, existential mabel said:

i keep coming across folk who either believe that God and Allah are the same or dont even know and have to ask someone and this is a mature Christian.

so this has got me thinking that i would like to be able to explain this. not the world's best at this so i thought i would start a thread to get my thoughts clearer.

i reasoned that its hard to explain the fact that they are not the same and that is because people it seem take it at face value and not question this fact. and it seems that more and more the interfaith movement is clouding this over.

 

What an excellent question. 

Today's habit of live and let live, one God fits all etc justifies all kinds of sins. Our christian faith is absolutely distinct. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Bible is our Word from the one living God. Christ His only Son and our Saviour. Holy Spirit comforting and guiding. Oh what a faith is ours!  

[Behold]

12 hours ago, OneLight said:

Really? 

Yes , "really".

What you are unable to realize is that Mohammed's tribe NAMED the moon God "Allah".  its his Name.   Try to understand, that no matter how many politically corrected links you can cut and paste, .their "god" has a NAME.

Its "allah".  He's the "moon god", as i stated, previously.

And here is some more for you, Reader...  The Muslims,  Islam, is waiting for their "Mahdi", This is their savior.  They believe that, by enforcing a Jihad (holy war) against the entire planet, ...if they can in fact, begin WW-III, then this will "usher in their Mahdi".   And this being, is listed in our New Testament, as the "anti-Christ".  So, the Islamic savior, is our anti-Christ.

[Behold]

10 hours ago, Rick_Parker said:

Allah is Lucifer, so that should answer your questions.

 

Final answer.

Edited November 2, 2019 by Behold

[OneLight]

2 hours ago, Behold said:

Yes , "really".

What you are unable to realize is that Mohammed's tribe NAMED the moon God "Allah".  its his Name.   Try to understand, that no matter how many politically corrected links you can cut and paste, .their "god" has a NAME.

Its "allah".  He's the "moon god", as i stated, previously.

And here is some more for you, Reader...  The Muslims,  Islam, is waiting for their "Mahdi", This is their savior.  They believe that, by enforcing a Jihad (holy war) against the entire planet, ...if they can in fact, begin WW-III, then this will "usher in their Mahdi".   And this being, is listed in our New Testament, as the "anti-Christ".  So, the Islamic savior, is our anti-Christ.

You never cease to come up with cutting remarks toward what I say.  If you did not see through such narrow mindedness you would be able to distinguish that I speak about the word God, not the meaning people give to the word.  Whatever the Muslims attached the word Allah does not change the truth that in a few languages, the word for God is Allah.   Even Christians who came from Islam still refer to God as Allah as it is their language.   Never have I even so much as hinted that Muslims worship the same God as we do.

Behold, please, do everyone a favor and realize that how people say God in their language is how they say God.  You can't change languages throughout the world to fit your theology.  Just because someone says Allah doesn't mean they are speaking of the Islamic false god.