BIG ERRORS: The Bride.

[Justin Adams]

Not sure how to relate to this. As a man i think the 'bride thing' is unsettling from a physical standpoint.

Spiritually it is acceptable, but since I am not a total spirit at the moment, I will leave it up to the Lord.

[Heleadethme]

On 12/17/2019 at 4:47 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi DustyRoad,

Good question.

Speaking to Israel God says -

`For your Maker is your husband the LORD of hosts is His name…` (Isa. 54: 5)

Husband - Hebrew word `ba`al,` meaning a master, husband, (fig) owner .

We know that God is the owner, master of Israel. When they were unfaithful God `divorced` them, signifying that they were unfaithful to Him and had gone after other gods. (Jer. 3: 8) Finally we know that God will `marry` His unfaithful `wife` when the Lord connects again with them.

`Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.` (Rev. 19: 7)

 

In our culture we think romantically of a bride, whereas when God is speaking to Israel God is referring to His ownership of them and for them to faithfully serve Him. That is quite a different concept than what we think when we use the word `bride.`

Hope that helps as you study this topic. Marilyn.

Hos 2:16

And it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi (husband); and shalt call me no more Baali (lord, master).

This shows the change in relationship going from the old covenant of Law, under its tutelage, being a child and like a slave,  to the new covenant in Christ, whereby He in great kindness pledges/betroths Himself to the believer.  It is a prophecy that was already fulfilled for Israel with the first coming of Christ Jesus, and also becomes fulfilled whenever a Jewish person turns to Him and believes.

The bridal analogy speaks of the loving union between the willing bride and the Bridegroom.  And the church (made up of both Jews and Gentiles) is the bride...this is nothing less than the mystery of God from the foundation of the world! .....since we have been betrothed to Him by the giving of the Holy Spirit as the earnest on the bride price, guaranteeing what is to come....ie, the marriage and full union with Christ...the fullness of the spirit without measure like Jesus had while on earth, and clothed in wedding garments of our glorified bodies.  It is not for Israel alone but also for the Gentiles who believe....the one new man made out of the twain...a new creature.

Hos 2:19-23

And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;

And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.

And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Eph 1:13

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Sng 8:5-6

Who is this that cometh up from the wilderness, leaning upon her beloved? I raised thee up under the apple tree: there thy mother brought thee forth: there she brought thee forth that bare thee.

Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.

 

As well.....I believe from scripture that a happy day is coming when unbelieving Israel will have her blindness healed and the veil taken away and she will repent....and she will then also belong to Christ as part of His body, the church, the Israel of God, and part of the new man and Bride.  Since there is just no other way under heaven to be saved.

But we mustn't separate Israel from the church in our thinking.....believing Israel IS the church, called the Israel of God, along with the grafted in Gentiles.  Remember the early church (bride) was entirely Jewish...and then they went out and also made disciples of the nations in obedience to the command of Jesus.  There are only two groups of people...the believing or the UNbelieving.....and whenever anyone comes to faith and believes in Christ, then they are translated to the kingdom of light and belong to the church....the Bride...the body of Christ....the Israel of God.....and this is the mystery of God from the foundation of the world and was fully His deliberate intention from the beginning.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Heleadethme

[enoob57]

We must leave fleshy things with fleshy things and s/Siritual things with Spiritual things … the bride ideal is one of no other greater intimacies s/Spiritually and it's privileges' extend into The Bridegroom... 

[Alive]

A couple of points that may help some.

I believe that the types related to man and woman / male and female are a fundamental thing that God has used from the beginning to express something that is not easy for us to fully understand and yet there is enough revealed for us to grasp some of it. As in all things of the Lord, we need His light shed on things.

I am not going to address the OP's assertion, but rather just point out some things that I believe.

IN the beginning God created man--Adam. In His image and after His likeness. Male and female He created them. But it was Adam that He had created.

He took out of Adam the female part--Eve. Then they were to come together once again and be made 'one' and from that reunion is the resulting reproduction.

I believe this speaks to the Nature of God, but in a much higher sense. Male and Female.

God's 'eternal purpose' was and is to reproduce. To share His 'being'. His Existence within His Creation. Christ was the firstborn and and we who are 'born from above' are the many. We have been birthed as 'children' very literally with His Divine Nature.

We don't yet fully understand this mystery and  how it will work going forward but the 'picture' suggests a 'joining' or a 'union' that will have a result.

Here is another example of just how important the fundamental truths of what God accomplished "In Christ'..the cross, the resurrection and the ascension.

Everything fits in a beautiful tapestry that is being unveiled for us.

I hope this is of some help.

 

Edited December 19, 2019 by Alive

[BeauJangles]

On 12/17/2019 at 1:42 PM, Marilyn C said:

No good downloading other peoples opinions.

Why not? It's done frequently enough. And gotquestions.org is a very good site. 

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

No one can talk to `Mr Got` as he is not here. 

Anyone can speak in favor or opposition of a commentary. It seemed valid to me.   

[enoob57]

I have a great deal of respect for Got Questions studied commentary... and if I agree with them on something why not just post their stuff!

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Why not? It's done frequently enough. And gotquestions.org is a very good site. 

Anyone can speak in favor or opposition of a commentary. It seemed valid to me.   

Yes, I wouldn't post a ministry site that had false doctrine. I think my Christian discernment can detect that which is false. 

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, BeauJangles said:

Why not? It's done frequently enough. And gotquestions.org is a very good site. 

Anyone can speak in favor or opposition of a commentary. It seemed valid to me.   

Yes, I wouldn't post a ministry site that had false doctrine. I think my Christian discernment can detect that which is false. 

[missmuffet]

The marriage supper takes place on earth in connection with Christ's second coming to earth. 

In the biblical use of figure of marriage, variations can be observed in both the Old and New Testaments. Frequently in the Old Testament, as for instance in the book of Hosea, Israel is described as the unfaithful wife of God to be restored to her postition as a faithful wife in the future millennial reign. While marriage is often used as an illustration of various truths, the norm is that Israel is already married to God and has proved unfaitful to her responsibilities as a wife. 

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The marriage supper takes place on earth in connection with Christ's second coming to earth. 

In the biblical use of figure of marriage, variations can be observed in both the Old and New Testaments. Frequently in the Old Testament, as for instance in the book of Hosea, Israel is described as the unfaithful wife of God to be restored to her postition as a faithful wife in the future millennial reign. While marriage is often used as an illustration of various truths, the norm is that Israel is already married to God and has proved unfaitful to her responsibilities as a wife. 

I agree with everything you've stated with the exception of where the marriage and marriage supper takes place. Carefully reading Revelation Chapter 19:, it's apparent to me it takes place in Heaven during the tribulation. As the events that follow with Jesus' second coming with His saints concludes the tribulation period. 

Read Revelation Chapter 19: and tell me how you determined the marriage happens on earth? Perhaps once again I'm missing something and incorrect? 

IMHO, gotquestions.org is a great site and fits my biblical view with few exceptions, and those few are mainly in Genesis.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Dennis1209