Cunning Manipulation or Christian Contiriton?

[ReneeIW]

Thank you @Margo1945

And I’m not picking on Neighbor when I say this, but if you go back and look at his(I’m assuming he is a man) first post, it was a joke about the wife being manipulative. Then his next post mentioned he was done with his “fun.”

So he is the one that saw it as entertaining.  Thanks for your insight on this thread. It was helpful. 

Have a good evening ?

[Blood Bought 1953]

On 12/18/2019 at 1:14 AM, ReneeIW said:

Recent True Story:

A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife with multiple women. Some of the women are put up in apartments across the country so when he travels, he can be with them. The wife finds out and is asked by the couple's pastor to forgive. She does. He cheats again and she leaves him only to return again after he apologizes and goes to rehab for whatever problems he says is contributing to the cheating. 

 After he has gained her trust, he attempts to cheat again and she finds out about it. In his last effort to save his marriage, he flies in Pastor Anthony Thompson, the pastor whose wife was killed by Dylan Roof in the Charleston Church killings. The husband says that if Pastor Anthony Thompson can forgive the man who killed his wife and the other church goers, than she can certainly forgive him for adultery. And Pastor Anthony Thompson and other members of that church encourage her to forgive. The husband is praised in the paper for holding the event.

Manipulation, sincere contrition, or we can't know?

 

 

“ A wealthy Christian man cheats on his wife.....”.    Not that a Christian can’t cheat , but why assume this guy is a Christian at all ? Just because he claims to be one, or just because he goes to Church? He could be a Tare for all we know....churches everywhere are full of them.They look so much like the Real Thing , only an Angel can identify them......

[JustPassingThru]

On 12/18/2019 at 5:10 AM, Flowersun said:

As a nonbeliever I chose my own husbands X2....they certainly weren't chosen for me by God...I chose them..even as a non believer,it felt wrong marrying them..I expect they felt the same,lol....he aloud me to wed them....oh boy the consequences of those marriages nearly killed me.....X2 divorced as a non believer.....as a believer...no way will I choose a husband.....I wait on the Lord..I will definitely know if he brings a husband to me,we would both know...in our spirits....if he doesn't,then so be it.....God knows what is best for me...I will continue to remain faithful to my Lord....

Dear one, been there, done that, ...when the "light" finally came on in my thick skull, I said to Father, "You are the One who said, 'It's not good that man be alone,' ...so I'm asking you to bring the woman, my Eve, into my life, the one You have chosen for me!" 

And He did, ...she was living on a different island than me and He even told me what church to go to to find her, ...and then confirmed it twice from His Word with Pro 18:22.

So beloved sister, be encouraged, ...you are some man's Eve, ...just pray and wait for what Father will do, and don't make any conditions, ...I had to move over 5,000 miles away from my "comfort" zone to meet her...

Lord bless

[Behold]

On 12/18/2019 at 8:48 AM, Alive said:

Yes and Amen!

He is indeed risen and we 'In Him'. Isn't that something to rejoice in.

Yes.

And it'll be "happy birthday Jesus", in just a few more days.

Bake a Cake.

Sing to Him "happy Birthday".

Celebrate the LORD's birth.

[Behold]

On 12/18/2019 at 8:53 AM, Margo1945 said:

 

. but only if our confessing our sin and sincerely asking forgiveness show genuine repentance of change of one's heart back to God and His Will .

We as the born again, don't have to confess sins to be forgiven..... This is because we are already forgiven, of all our sin.

Christ "BECAME" our sin on the Cross.

This is the effect of the Blood Atonement.  Its not just in effect for 24 hrs after you are saved.  Its IN EFFECT till the Day you Meet God and the day after that, and till infinity......No time limit on "justification by Faith".

So, that verse in 1 Jn that you are confused about, is not relevant to the born again, as all their sins, have already been forgiven.   And not only that.....  = The Law has no more power to judge a born again person AS a sinner, as "Christ has redeemed ALL the Born again, FROM THE CURSE......OF......THE ......LAW">...  So we are not under that curse., as this is also what Jesus was taking care of, on the CROSS.

You should study Paul's epistles, and start with this..... Romans 3:21 - 28, and then Romans 4:8, and you should study them until God gives you the actual revelation of the Grace of God.

The Grace of God, is why we are eternally secure in our salvation.

A lot of really bad teachers, will try to teach you that you are the final authority, regarding staying saved..  But this is not the truth.  The final authority regarding your salvation, your ETERNAL LIFE, is the One who gave it to you.   He is the one who keeps you............saved.

Edited December 19, 2019 by Behold

[Alive]

11 minutes ago, Behold said:

Yes.

And it'll be "happy birthday Jesus", in just a few more days.

Bake a Cake.

Sing to Him "happy Birthday".

Celebrate the LORD's birth.

We intend to!

:-)

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Behold said:

We as the born again, don't have to confess sins to be forgiven..... This is because we are already forgiven, of all our sin.

Christ "BECAME" our sin on the Cross.

This is the effect of the Blood Atonement.  Its not just in effect for 24 hrs after you are saved.  Its IN EFFECT till the Day you Meet God and the day after that, and till infinity......No time limit on "justification by Faith".

So, that verse in 1 Jn that you are confused about, is not relevant to the born again, as all their sins, have already been forgiven.   And not only that.....  = The Law has no more power to judge a born again person AS a sinner, as "Christ has redeemed ALL the Born again, FROM THE CURSE......OF......THE ......LAW">...  So we are not under that curse., as this is also what Jesus was taking care of, on the CROSS.

You should study Paul's epistles, and start with this..... Romans 3:21 - 28, and then Romans 4:8, and you should study them until God gives you the actual revelation of the Grace of God, that at this point in your history, you don't understand, and till you do, you are not going to accept it.

That's why you need to prayerfully study.

I agree with this, but to make a point. I absolutely believe that confession and asking forgiveness is not necessary because as you say the blood is eternally and without failure efficacious. I have found a thing to be of help, but not of a doctrinal nature.

Asking forgiveness for a thing is not the same as confessing a thing. Confession is an agreement regarding a thing coming from honesty.

There are times when this is healthy. Do you understand what I mean? Yes Lord---I agree. Its an internal witness.

[Blood Bought 1953]

 

If you go back and read my posts , it will be clear that the only thing that I promote is NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD......how I would hate to be on the other side of that Position!  I say “ JESUS plus NOTHInG.......His Sacrifice alone

On the Other Hand.....YOU say that Jesus is Essential for Salvation.....He is just not “ enough” for Salvation ! If you do not have the “ Good Luck” to  Repent between a hypothetical Heart Attack and your death, sorry, Saint— you are destined for HELL!

You say Jesus PLUS Repentance( do you understand now why I call it “ Lucky Repentance ? )

I say Jesus plus NOTHING! 

Now—-YOU tell ME who exalts JESUS the most .Those that ADD to what Jesus accomplished on the Cross....or those that simply put their Faith in His Blood.The answer is obvious—- And you say that “ I “ might be a “ TARE?”  I will let the Readers decide......

Let me make myself clear . You don’t HAVE to Repent to stay saved. You WILL Repent once you ARE SAVED.If one has the Holy Spirit in them , God will MAKE you a “ lover of the Brethren”——God will MAKE you a giver ....God will MAKE you a person who puts “Kindness, Justice and Mercy”  (the HEART OF THE LAW ) above the LETTER of the Law......He will MAKE you sorrowful  and Repentant when you sin......Repentance is a natural Fruit in the life of a Believer.....part of God transforming a person into the image of His Son.....If one sins and it becomes something where the PAIN of sin ( sorrow and repentance) outweighs the PLEASURE of sin, the sinner may decide to ABANDON those sins .....it becomes like sticking your hand in a fire. Who wants that?Repentance- The sorrow and regret for Sin— is a TOOL of God. A type of Chastisement to “ whip us into shape”. A TOOL of Sanctification.....NOT the MEANS of Salvation......Repentance is a painful, yet vital part of  God’s Plan for His errant Children.....Some exalt it to the position that is fitting only for Grace ..... Grace is  what covers sins between the moment one is Saved and the moment the Believer makes it HOME......NOT the Good LUCK and the SUPER MEMORY of one who supposedly can  “REMEMBER” all the sins of their lifetime—- Sins That GOD has already Promised to “ FORGET”as far as Salvation is concerned.....Grace is the Way Of GOD to make you “ fit for Heaven—-NOT Repentance. Does it seem unfair to your human  mind ? Perhaps. If that is the case, all God can say to you is, “ Get Over It” .    God bless us all in the understanding of these things!  

 

 

 

[Sower]

51 minutes ago, Alive said:

I agree with this, but to make a point. I absolutely believe that confession and asking forgiveness is not necessary because as you say the blood is eternally and without failure efficacious. I have found a thing to be of help, but not of a doctrinal nature.

Asking forgiveness for a thing is not the same as confessing a thing. Confession is an agreement regarding a thing coming from honesty.

There are times when this is healthy. Do you understand what I mean? Yes Lord---I agree. Its an internal witness.

"There are times when this is healthy"

If I allow a bad thought, or commit a bad action, I confess it.   All day long!   "Taking every thought captive"...
I examine them. I agree with God that they're sin, even those 'accidental' ones, those "unintentional " ones.  (no such thing:)
I'm the one who missed the mark, no matter the reason. ME. No excuses!
If I do not confess, agree, when I/you know I should, I have programmed darkness/false data, untruth, into my heart (brain memories)
Like you said Alive, I'm agreeing with God that what I had done is missing His target, His mark, (desire) for my life.
This acknowledgement to God is allowing more truth, light, true data, into my heart. (brain-memory)
This light chases out the darkness (false data).****Note, repentance is changing thinking, which changes my action!!***
Garbage in, garbage out.
When I ask forgiveness, even  knowing they have all been forgiven, nailed to the cross,
it's usually just before bed when reviewing my day with God,
it's more a sense of being so sorrowful  for the marks I missed. Sins......
A sense of feeling haven grieved the spirit some, fellowship diminished.
But only in my spirit, knowing God never changes.
His love is always there.
(While we were yet sinners!)

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Sower said:

"There are times when this is healthy"

If I allow a bad thought, or commit a bad action, I confess it.   All day long!   "Taking every thought captive"...
I examine them. I agree with God that they're sin, even those 'accidental' ones, those "unintentional " ones.  (no such thing:)
I'm the one who missed the mark, no matter the reason. ME. No excuses!
If I do not confess, agree, when I/you know I should, I have programmed darkness/false data, untruth, into my heart (brain memories)
Like you said Alive, I'm agreeing with God that what I had done is missing His target, His mark, (desire) for my life.
This acknowledgement to God is allowing more truth, light, true data, into my heart. (brain-memory)
This light chases out the darkness (false data).
Garbage in, garbage out.
When I ask forgiveness, even  knowing they have all been forgiven, nailed to the cross,
it's usually just before bed when reviewing my day with God,
it's more a sense of being so sorrowful  for the marks I missed. Sins......
A sense of feeling haven grieved the spirit some, fellowship diminished.
But only in my spirit, knowing God never changes.
His love is always there.
(While we were yet sinners!)

Yes--you have illustrated what I mean.  It's good for our soul, but I also believe that it goes deeper and has much to do with 'maturity',  but I think you have said this. These things are examples of the difference between head knowledge and 'experiential' knowledge. The first is good, but shallow--the second is better and deeper. This is what it means to walk with Him...and much more.

:-)