Eating unclean meats and Christian beliefs

[George]

2 hours ago, Yishai said:

Let no (pagan) judge you....easily confirmed by audience of letter...And of course the entire Bible being without contradiction. 

The word (pagan) is a misrepresentation of the text.  This is the Strongs word -- and every instance that it is used.

https://worthy.bible/online-bible-study/strongs/g5100

God bless,

George

[Yishai]

55 minutes ago, George said:

The word (pagan) is a misrepresentation of the text.  This is the Strongs word -- and every instance that it is used.

https://worthy.bible/online-bible-study/strongs/g5100

God bless,

George

Yea, I wasnt meaning any particular word being used, just showing Paul was not talking against the Sabbath or diets, but against the people(Pagans/gnostics) in thier culture who would be judging them for now observing the Sabbaths, new moons, and eating only clean meats.(and feasting, bc Gnostics believed in depriving the body) as in The Body of Messiah, must not be concerned with the Judgements of those who are outside the Malchut Elohim, that is those who dont know Torah or the Messiah, it is clear, given the Location of this audience and the fact that Paul always references jews directly, Paul is adressing the local talk of the pagans. Whose religion dominates this region. 

As the people would have been reading from Torah and The Prophets, bc the NT wasnt even written yet, in the first church. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Yishai

[dhchristian]

3 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

You gave some very thoughtful answers in the response.  It is true that even with clean meats, people don't want to overeat due to health related issues, but the problem is exacerbated with unclean meats for the reason you've outlined.  Not sure why anyone sees something that looks like an overgrown roach(lobster) and says "oh that looks so delicious." 

Yum, More lobster for the rest of us! 

 

3 hours ago, Godismyloveforever said:

Yes, I recommend the beef.

You sound like the antithesis to the Chick Fil A cow. Anyone care for a chicken sandwich? BTW, all the emoji's you use should be renamed "chicken nuggets". ???  ??

For the record Chicken and beef etc, which are "clean foods" are also known for diseases such as Salmonella, E-Coli, Mad cow, Bird flu.... So they are not more clean than other meats per se. What is more important is how you handle and process the meats. Good hygiene will prevent most of those things and cooking your food properly.    

Edited March 3, 2020 by dhchristian

[dhchristian]

2 hours ago, Godismyloveforever said:

Not sure why anyone sees something that looks like an overgrown canary (chicken) and says "oh that looks so delicious.

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[ayin jade]

Next up: why we shouldnt mix fabrics?

Im not under law. Im under grace. If you choose to live under the law, thats fine for you. If you choose to try and force me to live by your convictions .... I prefer to be led by the Lord not by you. No offense.

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Yishai said:

Yea, I wasnt meaning any particular word being used, just showing Paul was not talking against the Sabbath or diets, but against the people(Pagans/gnostics) in thier culture who would be judging them for now observing the Sabbaths, new moons, and eating only clean meats.(and feasting, bc Gnostics believed in depriving the body) as in The Body of Messiah, must not be concerned with the Judgements of those who are outside the Malchut Elohim, that is those who dont know Torah or the Messiah, it is clear, given the Location of this audience and the fact that Paul always references jews directly, Paul is adressing the local talk of the pagans. Whose religion dominates this region. 

As the people would have been reading from Torah and The Prophets, bc the NT wasnt even written yet, in the first church. 

I think in your zeal to show the need for law keeping, you are stretching the scriptures to fit your desire to convince.

I hope that the Lord shows you the error and that you embrace His Grace in Christ. I am sure you have heard the message--I hope it finds a place in you.

Our Lord suffered and died to set you free and He loves you that much---He very much desires that you take part in His Gift---to enjoy it in the fullness.

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Amigo42 said:

For discussion, most Christian today eat unclean meats including pig, crayfish, lobster, and even some exotic creatures such as snakes.  However, how do those of you who do so justify eating unclean meats when the Bible so clearly lists those not to eat.  Before, you mention it.  I know that most people will say we're no longer under the law but under grace and that Peter had a vision that said it's ok to eat unclean meats now.  For the concept of being under grace, it's clear from the words of Jesus and Paul that this does not mean that Christians are free to sin willy nilly.  It's clear that God still expects us to obey His commandments not because of duty or legalism but rather  because we do so willingly out of love and devotion to God.  For the point about Peter's vision, there really isn't much to say about it because it not unambiguously clear.  The vision is not referring to anything literal at all in terms of eating.  It was symbolic to refer to accept the gentiles into the fold and not viewing them as unclean anymore from the Jews' perspective.  It is absolutely clear from the context.

The Bible tells us that we are no longer under the law. 

[Jayne]

Gentiles were never under the law to begin with.  The law was given to ancient Hebrews.  Christians should read it - all of it in their yearly Bible reading.  God's plans and purposes leading to Christ are important to know.  And how the Old Covenant points to the New Covenant is important to know.

Those that bind themselves to the law and put trust in their own merits today seem to think that those of us who do not are promoting sin and lawlessness.  We are not.  Sin is an abomination before God - whether it is homosexuality or lying or gossiping.

I'm from Louisiana.  We eat shrimp, pork, mudbugs [crawfish], oysters, alligator, turtles, and yes, snakes.

And the best of all......some good old fried bottom-feeders......er….eh....I mean catfish.

Bon Appetit.

I ask this question all of the time and have never, on this forum, gotten an answer......do you obey all of the laws in the Pentateuch?  If not, how do you decide which ones?  And what are they?

 

[Yishai]

55 minutes ago, Alive said:

I think in your zeal to show the need for law keeping, you are stretching the scriptures to fit your desire to convince.

I hope that the Lord shows you the error and that you embrace His Grace in Christ. I am sure you have heard the message--I hope it finds a place in you.

Our Lord suffered and died to set you free and He loves you that much---He very much desires that you take part in His Gift---to enjoy it in the fullness.

No it's just the oppisite, thats what happend 1000's of years ago when The "Church fathers" who hated Jews so much, they started teaching the false doctrines of Law has been abolished, anything amd everything to separate from Judaism pretty much...

"Our lord set you free" lol im not under any bondage.

I just prefer to listen to the Creator and eat actual food now. Instead of animals He designed to be garbage disposals for earth. Thats privilege not bondage. 

@Jayne I understand, im from the south and have eaten everything down to the raccoon..but His people are not supposed to do that, we are the seed of Abraham thru Messiah. And all of The commandments are 100% active, the commandments themselfs will be active till heaven and earth pass away..and are different than first covenant its self, where many sins could not be paid for.

And what is sin? The breaking of Torah.(1stJohn3:4)

Edited March 3, 2020 by Yishai

[Yishai]

35 minutes ago, maryjayne said:

I keep asking this too. Still waiting for an answer. I agree that we are no longer under the law.

Under The Law, is seeking Justification from it, always been a false teaching...

The Law has ALWAYS been what applies to each individual, laws for Priest, Kings,Judges,men, women,hunters, farmers, and some for everybody. Here below is some guy with OCD who started adding everything up hahaha.

-(Y'shua is High Priest in actual Kingdom now and the Lamb)

Here is what he added up tho for ppls info...

"221 are N/A to the common person (not Applicable)

82 MNA(may not apply) judges, farmers,hunters,men women, widows, Nazarite, etc.

Majority of us(all Christians) alredy naturally keep about 201 commandments.

Some Christian minorities observe a additional 94 commandments.  

If we examine how much Torah Christians alredy keep. Factoring in what does not apply to them its from 65% to 85%!

Can Christians observe 100% of Torah that is applicable to them, Absolutely!, should they? Absolutely!"   

-But I just know its all 100% active and dont go at it like a check list, I just do it naturally as I learn more and more by reading and study all through Loving Obedience. (Like we see it was meant to be in acts 15:21.)

 

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by Yishai