Jesus Teachings Don't Apply to Us Gentiles

[Behold]

30 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

True, but cessational thinking and tight in the mind-box ideas are only anthropological restraint. In order to really understand we must embrace the thoughts of those that God guided sometimes someplace else.   

Can you quote a single verse in the New Testament that supports what you just wrote?

And yes 2 Timothy 2:15, is speaking about the Bible/Scriptures.

Here is what ive noticed for many years.   Its always the person who is studying commentaries more then they are studying Paul, who ends up a devout Legalist in opposition to the Grace of God.

Heretics are crated by writers who are not the ones who wrote the Epistles.  And these Writers twist the scriptures to twist THEIR followers.

So answer my question...thx.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Behold

[Eddy Crocker]

I been reading these back and forth comments from everyone and I think each one of us are misunderstanding each other. I think everyone is right to a certain extent. The thing that I think causes much confusion is the fly leaf in the Bible called the New Testament which I feel is very misleading. They have the New Testament staring at his birth instead of his death. Jesus was not instituting in Mathew thru John. Jesus was fulfilling and finishing the Old Testament to bring the New Testament. He said I didn’t come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That meaning means he’s bringing the law to a higher and spiritual level and placing that higher spiritual law in our hearts and mind by the a Holy Spirit. A Testament is a will something has to die and spill its blood to make it active or binding as I already heard someone quoting Hebrews 9 about the testament is not in effect while the testator is living. To institute means to start up or begin where fulfill is the total opposite meaning to bring to an end or bring to its climax. Jesus when he was baptized Suffer it to be so now to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus fulfilled the physical baptism according to the pattern of the priesthood that before a lamb was able to be put on the alter of sin sacrifice it had to be baptized or washed in the brazen laver. John recognizes this that’s why he says behold the lamb that takes away the sins of the world. Johns baptism is only a burial of the dead Jews to show them they were already D.O.A dead on arrival being born under a death decree of their father Adam. Only the second Adams baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire which was a spiritual baptism could truly save them and bring their souls into eternal life. Physical communion is also fulfilled to bring us into a spiritual communion or co-union with God. As Jesus prayed in John 17 that they be be made one in us i in them and they in me. This is why he says at the last supper not the everlasting supper- I will not drink of this fruit of the vine until I drink it new in the Kingdom. The new way is in the kingdom where we drink and eat him into our life and he does likewise which is a co union and oneness with God. The New Testament starts in Acts at the day of Pentecost. Jesus’s blood now has officially brought in the New Covenant.

[Heleadethme]

3 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The only stamp of approval by God of truth 'IS' His Word 
 

John 17:6-21

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
KJV
The whole of intent of God through His Written Word is laid out here .... in this very intimate prayer of The Son to The Father...

And WHO is the Word?

Nevertheless there is no disagreement or contradiction ever between the written word of God and the Spirit of Christ.  No more than there is disagreement between the words spoken or written by a person and the person himself.

1Co 2:9-14

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Edited April 9, 2020 by Heleadethme

[*Zion*]

14 minutes ago, Eddy Crocker said:

I been reading these back and forth comments from everyone and I think each one of us are misunderstanding each other. I think everyone is right to a certain extent. The thing that I think causes much confusion is the fly leaf in the Bible called the New Testament which I feel is very misleading. They have the New Testament staring at his birth instead of his death. Jesus was not instituting in Mathew thru John. Jesus was fulfilling and finishing the Old Testament to bring the New Testament. He said I didn’t come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That meaning means he’s bringing the law to a higher and spiritual level and placing that higher spiritual law in our hearts and mind by the a Holy Spirit. A Testament is a will something has to die and spill its blood to make it active or binding as I already heard someone quoting Hebrews 9 about the testament is not in effect while the testator is living. To institute means to start up or begin where fulfill is the total opposite meaning to bring to an end or bring to its climax. Jesus when he was baptized Suffer it to be so now to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus fulfilled the physical baptism according to the pattern of the priesthood that before a lamb was able to be put on the alter of sin sacrifice it had to be baptized or washed in the brazen laver. John recognizes this that’s why he says behold the lamb that takes away the sins of the world. Johns baptism is only a burial of the dead Jews to show them they were already D.O.A dead on arrival being born under a death decree of their father Adam. Only the second Adams baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire which was a spiritual baptism could truly save them and bring their souls into eternal life. Physical communion is also fulfilled to bring us into a spiritual communion or co-union with God. As Jesus prayed in John 17 that they be be made one in us i in them and they in me. This is why he says at the last supper not the everlasting supper- I will not drink of this fruit of the vine until I drink it new in the Kingdom. The new way is in the kingdom where we drink and eat him into our life and he does likewise which is a co union and oneness with God. The New Testament starts in Acts at the day of Pentecost. Jesus’s blood now has officially brought in the New Covenant.

A fly leaf??? That's some description.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

50 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

You are preaching false doctrine.

 

So your saying Jesus teaching dont apply to Gentiles?

Mat 28:19-20 KJV - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations (Jews & Gentiles)...teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you

 

[Eddy Crocker]

The fly leaf in the Bible is where it says New Testament.

[Alive]

I don't get the 'fly leaf' reference. What does that mean? Some kind of analogy?

[*Zion*]

15 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

And WHO is the Word?

Nevertheless there is no disagreement or contradiction ever between the written word of God and the Spirit of Christ.  No more than there is disagreement between the words spoken or written by a person and the person himself.

1Co 2:9-14

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Truth.  What Enoob presented, which is also scripture, is also Truth.  The two agree.  They are truth

[*Zion*]

Just now, Alive said:

I don't get the 'fly leaf' reference. What does that mean? Some kind of analogy?

I'm obviously not getting either  

The New Testament is not a blank page, and is so ordered as God ordained it to be.  Next we're going to be dictating to Him how gravity works, or the nature of light as it should be, and the properties of dark matter as we would prefer them to exist.  Question or try to refute one part of God's Word and you may as well refute it all.  

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, *Zion* said:

Truth.  What Enoob presented, which is also scripture, is also Truth.  The two agree.  They are truth

There is more to what @enoob57presents. You would have to read a bunch of his posts to get the gist of his theology.