The Shakings are beginning (written in late 2019)

[Gideon]

19 hours ago, Blood Bought 1953 said:

 

Here is the issue I have with the current OSAS teaching. It sees not just today, but rhe end result before the end result is reached.

One either Believes the Promises Of God or they do not. Pretending to know how things end without aPromise of God To back it up would be madness. Fortunately, for mature Believers, we have Promises from God that GUARANTEE what the “ end result” will be......it’s the very definition of what Faith is supposed to be!

I could exclude the 400 other verses that cry out that once a person is saved , they can trust God to  get them Home and just put my FAITH in the mere three following verses and be an OSAS proponent—

Perhaps some out there that think they are Saved have not even “ Started” the Way Of Salvation— Those That “ have” started by Resting in the Gospel Of Grace have a Promise from God that He will FINISH what HE started.....not me....not you.... “ HE”. Seems like “ enduring until the end” is something that God gave himself the Responsibility for....what is your take on that?

Jesus said that all of those that come to Him with Faith are ALREADY SAVED and will NEVER come under Condemnation......How do “ you” define the Words that I put in Caps?

God said that if we come to Him by Faith in His Son—- He would Save is TO THE UTTERMOST. What   Is “ your” definition of that highlighted phrase?

Please answer these questions with no side- tracking or evasions .Just answer them.Then I will happily answer any inquiries you may have if you will provide Bible Verses as I did....Thanking you in advance...

 

 

 

 

Brother, if you will read my answer, I fully addressed your points. Salvation is the end of our faith, which we receive at the end. Faith is not a one time thing, but a walk. If we continue in the faith, continue to look to Him as an all-sufficient savior, our end will be Heaven, guaranteed. 

However, some see it as a one time prayer and that is all that is needed. I have taken time in my andwer to refute that, with what Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24.

I will be honest here. I have tried to keep this discussion  respectful, looking at the issues and not taking personal swipes at any who may disagree. You have not. If you feel like I am a wolf in sheep's clothing, which you certainly have alluded to, your opinion is yours to have. But that is not allowed by the rules of the forum to level such accusations. 

You have a ted like what I share will ruin Christians, yet you teach that such a thing is actually impossible, and nothing I or anyone else can say will affect rheir walk with the Lord. If you feel like you do, to the point  you want to lash out, why not simply avoid my posts altogether. 

Christians disagree about a lot of issues.... pre-trib vs.  post trib, free will vs. predestination, OSAS vs.  enduring in faith to the end. . You act like anyone who does not see as you do is a false teacher. Yet, the very Word we have been given  counsels us to love those who disagree with us and try to restore them in a spirit of meekness. Up til now, this is not the path you have chosen. 

We all, to one extent or another, see through a glass darkly. It is commendable when someone firmly believes how they see the truth, but if that truth is not working in them the basics of patience and kindness and longsuffering, something is off. 

I welcome your input on my threads. I simply  ask that the attitude you have taken towards any who may disagree with you be tempered by love. In case you are unaware, a large portion of the body of Christ does not believe in the doctrine of OSAS. And they come armed as well with many compelling verses to back up their belief. 

Personal attacks are not permitted on this site, and I would ask that you keep your answers respectful and oriented toward the message and why you may believe it is in error. rather than attacking the one who brings it forth. Is that acceptable?

blessings, 

Gideon

[Behold]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Yeah, I've done some studying on that topic, and I don't know quite what to make out of it? Only two people in the Bible are given the name "Son of Perdition", one of the many names of THE Antichrist, and Judus [John 17:12 & 2 Th 2:3]. The Bible is pretty clear we cannot know whom the Antichrist is until he is revealed. Given the descriptions of Antichrist and where the Antichrist comes from, Judas doesn't fit the one to come.

Something else that is said of Judas, that is said of no one else in the Bible many scholars debate on and I wonder about. To me, "his own place" sounds like a special place for the time being just for Judas?

Acts 1:25 (KJV) That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. [emphasis added]

Whatcha think?

Well, keep in mind, we are guessing.. As this entire "judas is the Beast", is just a rabbit trail, similar to most End Time ideas..

I really stay away from all this, because its not a theological certainty, and also,  because my specific call is not related to what i call "both ends of the bible".

I was telling a group yesterday that the call of God,  is to bring someone into a more "public" eye, or unto an elevated level..... So, you can call all this the "5 fold" ministry..... and it only has to do with the effect of the anointing on the person.  As its the anointing that is the call.    IN the OT this could be referred to as the "mantle"...     And this is unusual, because it operates, functionally, and specifically, differently.   So, i was telling this group that its a certain "spirit".....not in the sense of the Holy Spirit, but in the sense of the effect of it on you.  For example, im an evangelist., But im not a Pastor.   Now I can do that without that anointing, just like i can be a worship leader because i have a gift of Music, but, to do it as a Pastor  is not the same as possessing the specific  anointing to perform IN that Office.    Make sense?    So, as i told them, ... the Pastor has the "spirit of the Shepherd"...Hes the  BIG HUG.... That's the feeling you should get from being around him... A warmeth, a coziness, genuine friendliness,  a sense of comfort, YET.. in control with power.   Whereas an evangelist has the "spirit of Paul"...  They will be direct, forceful, they push , they are confrontational, they are hyper, intense, and on a forum, they can seem almost harsh...   So, Im not the Pastor anointing, im that other guy.    The Pastor and most believers, when they are really caught up in the "spirit", they will weep, sing, maybe shout, but its usually a very deeply "teary" experience, usually...   And for the evangelist, we can have the tears, but usually what we feel as the touch of God, is like....wanting to throw a chair, and climb a wall, and leap over a truck.

Its a totally different empowering because it takes this to do the work of an evangelist.   See, the Pastor is a shelter against the devil.  The evangelist is in a fistfight with the Devil's lies, which is the Devil himself.  A Pastor hugs with truth.  An Evangelist fights with truth.  Thats the effect of the anointing.

The anointing for each "office" is different.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Behold

[Behold]

32 minutes ago, Gideon said:

 Faith is not a one time thing, but a walk. If we continue in the faith

You have not understood... "faith is Accepted AS Righteousness", and the effect of this is to be Born Again.   And that is a ONE TIME THING.

You are not saved 50 times, and you are not born again 51 times.    You are SAVED ONCE... As to be BORN AGAIN is to be SAVED.

So, you are teaching the false idea, that "FAITH" is the savior and if you hold onto it, you will stay saved.

 And that is not TRUE......

Faith is NOT THE SAVIOR .. God is the Savior, THRU Your Faith.    He accepted it ONCE to SAVE YOU,=  when you BELIEVED IN JESUS< and you are BORN AGAIN.. 

You are teaching the heresy of "self saving" by holding onto your Faith.   So, your gospel is..>"faith saves, hold unto it to stay saved, and lose it to lose your salvation".

That Gospel that you are teaching,  is Galatians 1:8, because you have substitute the GRACE OF GOD, for "faith is my savior".

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Behold

[Blood Bought 1953]

1 hour ago, Gideon said:

Brother, if you will read my answer, I fully addressed your points. Salvation is the end of our faith, which we receive at the end. Faith is not a one time thing, but a walk. If we continue in the faith, continue to look to Him as an all-sufficient savior, our end will be Heaven, guaranteed. 

However, some see it as a one time prayer and that is all that is needed. I have taken time in my andwer to refute that, with what Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24.

I will be honest here. I have tried to keep this discussion  respectful, looking at the issues and not taking personal swipes at any who may disagree. You have not. If you feel like I am a wolf in sheep's clothing, which you certainly have alluded to, your opinion is yours to have. But that is not allowed by the rules of the forum to level such accusations. 

You have a ted like what I share will ruin Christians, yet you teach that such a thing is actually impossible, and nothing I or anyone else can say will affect rheir walk with the Lord. If you feel like you do, to the point  you want to lash out, why not simply avoid my posts altogether. 

Christians disagree about a lot of issues.... pre-trib vs.  post trib, free will vs. predestination, OSAS vs.  enduring in faith to the end. . You act like anyone who does not see as you do is a false teacher. Yet, the very Word we have been given  counsels us to love those who disagree with us and try to restore them in a spirit of meekness. Up til now, this is not the path you have chosen. 

We all, to one extent or another, see through a glass darkly. It is commendable when someone firmly believes how they see the truth, but if that truth is not working in them the basics of patience and kindness and longsuffering, something is off. 

I welcome your input on my threads. I simply  ask that the attitude you have taken towards any who may disagree with you be tempered by love. In case you are unaware, a large portion of the body of Christ does not believe in the doctrine of OSAS. And they come armed as well with many compelling verses to back up their belief. 

Personal attacks are not permitted on this site, and I would ask that you keep your answers respectful and oriented toward the message and why you may believe it is in error. rather than attacking the one who brings it forth. Is that acceptable?

blessings, 

Gideon

 

It’s  a debate....I have absolutely NO interest in attacking you.....I am sure you are a great guy...The only thing I want to “ attack” is your Doctrine .....I don’t want to see Newbies lectured about the very thing that saves them — GRACE— by somebody that I think  does not Understand it or Trust in it ALONE to save them. You can’t perceive of  a person being set free by Grace who would not turn that Grace into an excuse to do all the Sinning that he secretly wants to do in his heart.That is untrue and I know it because I LIVE it.When I say you paint a false portrait of Grace Living....That is not an attack— it is a fact.It is an essential part of your Doctrine.......I have to mention facts of your beliefs to attack your Doctrine—— NOT YOU! I think you are in error, I do not think you are an unsaved devil! It is not easy to “ let go and let God”. That is what real  Christianity is about.Trust. TOTAL TRUST.Evidenced by Resting in the Gospel Of Grace. God says in Hebrews 3 and 4 that if one does not Rest in the Gospel , they are guilty of “ UNBELIEF”. I have always attacked any Doctrine that says “Jesus Saves, BUT” and I will continue to attack any and all Doctrines that have this Poison in it......

I apologize for any “ spill over” from my Doctrine Attacks That would falsely appear to be an attack on an individual......some people are better than I am at “ veiling” there insults than I am .I suffer “veiled insults” all the time in here— little digs by those opposed to Grace Plus Nothing imbedded in their post that can sometimes be overlooked  by those not on the look-out for them......insults are imbedded that are said matter-Of-factly and they are missed by most people. Well.....I don’t “ miss” them and I will not let them go.I will call them out.I need to work on “ gaming” my posts......some here know how to say anything and couch it in a way where they never get called out.....

I suffered the biggest insult  I have ever witnessed in here.....The PersonalAccusation That There was something wrong with my God-Given New Heart.......me and all the other  adherents to OSAS......A new low for any debate. Any thing I may have said had to be innocuous by comparison . I hope I am not too “ unloving” if I say it might be an example of “ the pot calling the kettle black.” 

The truth is we are all passionate in our beliefs and we all our guilty of getting carried away.Debating facts will be mistakenly carried over as personal attacks and it is the very nature of this type of communication that everything that is said comes across as harsh unless special care is taken. In the real world , I am the-kindest, sweetest , humor-filled man you could ever meet......Perhaps you are the same. I hope so. I get more and more like Will Rogers as my life goes on... “ I never met a man I didn’t like.” I can’t say the same about Doctrines......if they go an inch beyond “ Nothing But The Blood”.....I do not like them and I will attack them. If I ever veer off the path and appear to attack an individual....it is not my true intention.....God bless ...

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Blood Bought 1953

[Not me]

@Gideon and all that would read...

Hi, here is an interesting thought that you might enjoy pondering a bit... You by your own writings have put forth your belief in the absoluteness and unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ... But this belief itself proves the OSAS argument beyond all doubt..

Let me show you where..

You, and correctly so, know and believe in your heart of the absolute and the unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ.. (Which it absolutely is, which truth, can always, as long as we are in the body be understood in a deeper degree.. For it is seeing into the truth of our deaths in Christ, that  is seeing  into the foundation of our salvation in Christ.) That being said, back on point..

For a believer is either  dead in Christ or not, is this not true? 

If a believer is dead in Christ than OSAS is proved beyond all doubt, because.....

For no man, other than the Son of Man can raise themselves from the dead.. 

So the OSAS argument hinges on whether a believer is dead in Christ.. So are they or not? Is this not what the Lord has revealed to you inwardly of how and why we have been freed from sin? Because of our deaths in Christ...

If a believer is dead in Christ they are saved. By faith do we access the benefits of our deaths in Christ, which you yourself have tasted the truth of. 

The argument might be put forward, that sometimes a believer is dead in Christ, other times not. Which is a imagination of the highest order.

For either a believer is dead in Christ or not there is no gray or sometimes,  it’s either all or nothing..

Something to ponder, than afterwards..

Be blessed in the security that seeing into the truth of our being dead in Christ brings to the heart of the believer. 
 

A brother in the faith, Not me 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Not me

[HAZARD]

4 hours ago, Behold said:

Compared to most Christians, Peter is a "light-weight" sinner.   Try to understand that Peter did not know the RISEN Christ... He was dealing with the earthly One in your verse.   

So, compare this to the number of Christians who are born again, who do not live according to their faith..  

What this means is that, being born again, is not related to how we behave later.   Grace is not the product of your self effort.  The Blood Atonement, has removed sin, the Blood and Death of Jesus has removed the Law.   So, when believers don't live the quality Christian lifestyle, the blood of Jesus still does not change,... being born again is not affected,  and the Grace of God is always the same Amazing Grace.   Salvation is "not by WORKs"......

So, you have a continuing issue with the Gospel.  You want to rewrite it as...>"The Cross, The blood, and my self effort, is how i am saved.

And thats a false Gospel.....

Being Saved, is the same as being Born again.   And in both cases, its something that God provides for FREE.   We can't provided it for ourselves.  YOU have no righteousness, so, God had to give you His.  "the gift of Righteousness".

And Hazard, there is something that you didn't notice about the verse you posted.... Its says this..... "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."""   So, what you did was ADD TO the verse.  You changed it..  You remodeled it...  You added that because Peter repented, everything was ok.  But that verse does not say that if you deny Jesus, and then repent later..... that everything is fine.

So, be careful how you rewrite the NT.  

 

I never changed anything, Peter went out and wept bitterly.

Luke 22: 61-62'

61, And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. 
    62, And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

To gain eternal life we must continue to follow Christ, not only at the beginning of our Christian experience, but daily and throughout life Luke 9:23.

To claim eternal life when one does not follow is like these Jews claiming to know God and have eternal life,  Jesus declared such was not true, (John 5:37-47; 8: 54-55).

The Father is greater than all the united forces of men, fallen angels, demons, and all enemies, so no one need fear of being snatched out of God's hand. The only thing one must do is to come to God and permit His salvation and keeping and allow His power to be manifested.

God cannot keep one contrary to His will any more than He kept Lucifer (Isa. 14:12-14; 1 Tim. 3:6), angels (2 Pet. 2:4; Jude 6-7) the pre-Adamites (Jer. 4:23-26; 2 Pet. 5-8, demons (Mat. 8:29), and Adam and Eve (Gen.3:; Rom.5:12-21), and many others who willed to sin.

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Not me said:

@Gideon and all that would read...

Hi, here is an interesting thought that you might enjoy pondering a bit... You by your own writings have put forth your belief in the absoluteness and unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ... But this belief itself proves the OSAS argument beyond all doubt..

Let me show you where..

You, and correctly so, know and believe in your heart of the absolute and the unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ.. (Which it absolutely is, which truth, can always, as long as we are in the body be understood in a deeper degree.. For it is seeing into the truth of our deaths in Christ, that  is seeing  into the foundation of our salvation in Christ.) That being said, back on point..

For a believer is either  dead in Christ or not, is this not true? 

If a believer is dead in Christ than OSAS is proved beyond all doubt, because.....

For no man, other than the Son of Man can raise themselves from the dead.. 

So the OSAS argument hinges on whether a believer is dead in Christ.. So are they or not? Is this not what the Lord has revealed to you inwardly of how and why we have been freed from sin? Because of our deaths in Christ...

If a believer is dead in Christ they are saved. By faith do we access the benefits of our deaths in Christ, which you yourself have tasted the truth of. 

The argument might be put forward, that sometimes a believer is dead in Christ, other times not. Which is a imagination of the highest order.

For either a believer is dead in Christ or not there is no gray or sometimes,  it’s either all or nothing..

Something to ponder, than afterwards..

Be blessed in the security that seeing into the truth of our being dead in Christ brings to the heart of the believer. 
 

A brother in the faith, Not me 

Very well laid out brother....this is precisely why I alway convey this truth in the entire work of the Cross. If we are 'In Christ' of the Father than we died, resurrected and ascended 'IN HIM' of the Father. This is a matter of history for the born again saint. This is how we are born again. It is simply amazing to me that there is a struggle in some against this absolute fundamental. Everything flows from the Truth of the work of the Cross and MUST square up to that Truth.

This wonderful gift of Grace where the Father orchestrated that removal from the old Adam and placing us into the New Man is a concrete, substantial reality. Not just words, but an actual event in time. There is no reversal of this 'Birth' because that Birth is eternal Life and that Life is literally Christ. We becomes sons of the Living God with that same Divine Nature.

This is how the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit solved the problem of the Old man Adam---he had to die and indeed he did die on the cross and all of us who by faith were included on that cross (inside Christ) also died, and rose and ascended.

[Not me]

13 minutes ago, Alive said:

Very well laid out brother....this is precisely why I alway convey this truth in the entire work of the Cross. If we are 'In Christ' of the Father than we died, resurrected and ascended 'IN HIM' of the Father. This is a matter of history for the born again saint. This is how we are born again. It is simply amazing to me that there is a struggle in some against this absolute fundamental. Everything flows from the Truth of the work of the Cross and MUST square up to that Truth.

This wonderful gift of Grace where the Father orchestrated that removal from the old Adam and placing us into the New Man is a concrete, substantial reality. Not just words, but an actual event in time. There is no reversal of this 'Birth' because that Birth is eternal Life and that Life is literally Christ. We becomes sons of the Living God with that same Divine Nature.

This is how the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit solved the problem of the Old man Adam---he had to die and indeed he did die on the cross and all of us who by faith were included on that cross (inside Christ) also died, and rose and ascended.

I loved the words;

“an actual event in time”

Bless you, your understanding is self evident in your post..

Be blessed in having that faith between you and God..

May He increase that faith and the knowledge of Himself in you...

A fellow believer, Not me 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Not me

[Gideon]

1 hour ago, Not me said:

@Gideon and all that would read...

Hi, here is an interesting thought that you might enjoy pondering a bit... You by your own writings have put forth your belief in the absoluteness and unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ... But this belief itself proves the OSAS argument beyond all doubt..

Let me show you where..

You, and correctly so, know and believe in your heart of the absolute and the unchangeableness of a believers death in Christ.. (Which it absolutely is, which truth, can always, as long as we are in the body be understood in a deeper degree.. For it is seeing into the truth of our deaths in Christ, that  is seeing  into the foundation of our salvation in Christ.) That being said, back on point..

For a believer is either  dead in Christ or not, is this not true? 

If a believer is dead in Christ than OSAS is proved beyond all doubt, because.....

For no man, other than the Son of Man can raise themselves from the dead.. 

So the OSAS argument hinges on whether a believer is dead in Christ.. So are they or not? Is this not what the Lord has revealed to you inwardly of how and why we have been freed from sin? Because of our deaths in Christ...

If a believer is dead in Christ they are saved. By faith do we access the benefits of our deaths in Christ, which you yourself have tasted the truth of. 

The argument might be put forward, that sometimes a believer is dead in Christ, other times not. Which is a imagination of the highest order.

For either a believer is dead in Christ or not there is no gray or sometimes,  it’s either all or nothing..

Something to ponder, than afterwards..

Be blessed in the security that seeing into the truth of our being dead in Christ brings to the heart of the believer. 
 

A brother in the faith, Not me 

It would seem so, if not for the verse that tells us "but it did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it."

Paul tells us in Romans 11, "on them which fell, severity, but towards tho goodness IF thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, thou also will be cut off." 

Faith is the lifeline by which the life of Christ brings us new life. That is why we are told to earnestly contend for the faith that was once delivered to the saints.  We are all called to fight our good fight of faith. To what end? That we become established in the faith, unshakeable. 

And if we continue to follow His leading us, what is our end?

Receiving the end of our faith, even the salvation of our souls. 

In Matthew 24, Jesus talks about His return. He tells us that because of the abounding of sin that is coming, the love of many will wax cold. That word 'love' is agape , something those outside the church do not possess. 

Who will wax cold? Some believers who did not avail themselves to being delivered from the power of darkness. Thus, their hearts were hardened, and the good seed that indeed had sprouted .... died. Cares of this life, love of sin with no desire to be freed from its grip sealed their fate. 

And what was the next verse, making clear what we need to hear if we have ears?

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love (agape) of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Matthew 24:12-13

I actually  agree with what Kwik has put forth. The more I think about it, the more I think she is right. She has stated that those who fall away were never saved to begin with. They think they are saved, and I suspect will get upset if any even suggest they may not be. 

But the truth is, if we have ears to hear,  none of us are actually saved..... yet. We have been planted in faith. However, our actual salvation is a future event that we receive at the end of our walk of faith... the salvation of our souls. God sees the future as a sealed and fully completed event. He knows who will endure to the end. He knows that every single sheep of His WILL eventually hear His voice. Thus, once saved, always saved is true, but not as we have come to understand it. That is why I term it "Once Safe, always saved". 

But this presents a problem. It appears to throw us back on OUR diligence, OUR strength, OUR ceasing from sin, OUR enduring to the end, and that scares the heck out of us, as well it should! LOL. Brother, this is why the truth of putting on our new nature is so critical in these final days. 

So far in our lives, when temptations have been mild compared to what is coming, if we have succumbed to their enticements, what will we do when we are told we will be unemployed, unable to but food for our children, or put to death? We reply "God will magnify grace. But then, can He not do that now for us?  The scripture comes to mind...

"If you have run with the footmen, and they have wearied you, what will you do when the horsemen arrive?"

There IS  absolute security available to every single one of us. But it is not to be found if we are still walking in our old natures. It is found only when we put off  our old natures by faith, believing it is no longer us that love but Christ who now lives in us.  Here is where all of God's promises can be walked in, for we have hearts that now can truly believe them. Here, when we finally come into agreement with God, that our God will actually cause us to will AND to do of His good pleasure. Glory! 

This is the message for the hour, and thank God, He WILL awaken every single one of His sheep. And when they are awakened to both forgiveness and cleansing,  they WILL run into the name of the Lord and be totally safe and secure. 

The Lord has shown me, the  shakings will soon increase even as Jesus described in Matthew 24, not to hurt us but to bring us to the point we finally believe Him  He asks  one thing of us. ONLY BELIEVE. No work Simply agree with Him. 

We are told to make no provision for our flesh..... to exist, for if we do, we will fulfill the lusts thereof. This is how we make our tree good, by faith. . We have tried to make our tree good by either ignoring our bad fruit, assuming grace has it covered, or by preventing bad fruit from appearing from us, our old nature. And the old nature cannot bring forth good fruit. New wine was not meant for old wineskins. Fod has made us new wineskins... IF we will simply believe something so wonderful, so outlandish, can actually be true. 

And praise God, just as surely as a bad tree produces bad fruit, when we, by faith, come into agreement with God, and yield ourselves to Him as those who are alive from the dead, and put on our new natures, holding our shields of faith high, satan will still tempt, but we will take the way of escape God has promised us..... every time! That is the reason why we can count it all joy when we fall into diverse temptations. We never give in! 

I pray this helps.

Gids

 

 

 

 

 

[Gideon]

3 hours ago, Behold said:

You have not understood... "faith is Accepted AS Righteousness", and the effect of this is to be Born Again.   And that is a ONE TIME THING.

You are not saved 50 times, and you are not born again 51 times.    You are SAVED ONCE... As to be BORN AGAIN is to be SAVED.

So, you are teaching the false idea, that "FAITH" is the savior and if you hold onto it, you will stay saved.

 And that is not TRUE......

Faith is NOT THE SAVIOR .. God is the Savior, THRU Your Faith.    He accepted it ONCE to SAVE YOU,=  when you BELIEVED IN JESUS< and you are BORN AGAIN.. 

You are teaching the heresy of "self saving" by holding onto your Faith.   So, your gospel is..>"faith saves, hold unto it to stay saved, and lose it to lose your salvation".

That Gospel that you are teaching,  is Galatians 1:8, because you have substitute the GRACE OF GOD, for "faith is my savior".

 

 

Brother, I have asked you kindly, but  the accusations of heresy need to cease. If you want to air your opinions on what you believe and why, fine, but no more classifying any who disagree with you as following heresy. out

I am asking you again of respect, please avoid the aggressive attacks. I do not want to seek the Worthy team to get involved, but you are taking it too far, and I will if you force my hand. 

Look, brother, If you find you disagree with me and cannot control your words, would it not be easier to simply avoid my posts altogether? 

Thanks in advance, 

Gideon