Jesus was holding the scroll, how can He became the white horse rider of the 1st Seal ?

[The_Truth_Seeker]

canada

You are correct that Vicar of Christ does mean in place of Christ (and I think it is safe to assume  you know the latin words, "Vicarius Christi" and that in the greek "anti" can mean not only opposite but also in place of.

Thing is, going by that line of reasoning, one could then assume a King of England could have the same meaning, because the Pope to the Catholic Church is what the King of England is to the the Church of England and there is similarities between the two.

Sister

You should read up on the history of the KJV. If you do know much of the history of the KJV, you will find another name in connection to the KJV, William Tyndale. It is a good read.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by The_Truth_Seeker

[Fidei Defensor]

Because He held the scroll and then later mounts the horse (Revelation 19:11-16). Just as He once healed the blond, but then died on a cross for our sins, rose from the dead and ate fish, and ascended to the right hand of the Father. 

[wingnut-]

On 6/20/2020 at 11:44 PM, R. Hartono said:

Its totally a blunder, many christians claim that the 1st seal of white horse rider is Jesus Christ.

 

I am curious, how many times in scripture is the color "white" associated with evil?

 

On 6/20/2020 at 11:44 PM, R. Hartono said:

Because Jesus was standing there holding the scroll, how can he then be transformed as the 1st Seal's white horse rider .

 

At what point does the Lord cease being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?

 

On 6/20/2020 at 11:44 PM, R. Hartono said:

As Jesus has nothing more to conquest with His victory over death with His Resurrection,

 

Could it be, is it possible, that His first advent is precisely what is transpiring with that first seal?  Have you ever asked yourself, who is giving this rider a crown to begin with?  Is there anywhere in scripture that God gives a crown to an enemy of His? 

 

Another thought to consider here, how often does a symbol change in scripture?  Since Jesus is identified as the rider on the white horse later, wouldn't that be a little more consistent?  I don't imagine you read the Lamb of God and decide it suddenly represents someone other than Jesus, so I can't imagine why this symbol should be regarded any differently.

 

 

[R. Hartono]

40 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

I am curious, how many times in scripture is the color "white" associated with evil?

 

 

At what point does the Lord cease being omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent?

 

 

Could it be, is it possible, that His first advent is precisely what is transpiring with that first seal?  Have you ever asked yourself, who is giving this rider a crown to begin with?  Is there anywhere in scripture that God gives a crown to an enemy of His? 

 

Another thought to consider here, how often does a symbol change in scripture?  Since Jesus is identified as the rider on the white horse later, wouldn't that be a little more consistent?  I don't imagine you read the Lamb of God and decide it suddenly represents someone other than Jesus, so I can't imagine why this symbol should be regarded

 

Don't be deceived by the white appearance of antichrist for thats the way it deceived the world as said in 2 cor 11:14 And no wonder for the devil disguised as Angel of light.

God doesnt cease being omnipresent n if Jesus ride the white horse John wud recognize Him with His charecters as written in Rev 19 where Jesus is followed by His raptured saints, but the white horse of the 1st seal is followed by peace removal, famine n war.

 

 

Bow is the symbol of conquering with peace pacts. Daniel 8:25...and by peace he shall destroy many....KJv.

Edited July 29, 2020 by R. Hartono

[wingnut-]

9 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Don't be deceived by the white appearance of antichrist

 

Thanks for your concern, I won't be.

 

9 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

God doesnt cease being omnipresent

 

Then why would you ask that question?

 

10 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

if Jesus ride the white horse John wud recognize Him

 

That's my point, John does identify Him as the rider on the white horse.  Do you have any examples from scripture where a symbol changes from one thing to another?  Do you have any examples from scripture where the color "white" is identified with the wicked or evil?

 

[wingnut-]

16 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

Bow is the symbol of conquering with peace pacts.

 

Scripture please?

[R. Hartono]

11 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

Do you have any examples from scripture where the color "white" is identified with the wicked or evil?

 

Its a disguise.

Dan 8:25... and by peace he shall destroy many.

 

2 cor 11:14 and no wonder the devil disguise himself as angel of light.

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by R. Hartono

[wingnut-]

Just now, R. Hartono said:

Its a disguise.

Dan 8:25... and by peace he shall destroy many.

 

2 cor 11:14 and no wonder the devil disguise himself as angel of light

 

Are you claiming the anti-christ is satan?  If so, please explain the following passage.

 

Revelation 20: 10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

[R. Hartono]

17 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

Scripture please?

Jeremiah 9:3 they make ready their tongue like a bow to shoot lies.

[missmuffet]

It is the Antichrist who appears at the first seal.