Tongues and prophesying...

[Deadworm]

Believe me, all the glory goes to God.  I'm indifferent to personal insults, but when the awesome work of the Holy Spirit is being disrespected I will rush to His defense. And you need to realize that even a deaf mute can be Spirit-baptized, despite an ability to articulate it.

[Alive]

Brothers and sisters. Please honor the TOS and stick to the topic and refrain from making it personal.

[johnthebaptist]

On 8/24/2020 at 10:27 PM, CaptWalker said:

Why are these "charismatic" believers always saying that speaking in tongues is evidence of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit", but never mention prophesying? It is something i have been wondering about ever since i became a true Christian about 25 years ago, but for some reason just let it slide, and assumed that what "they" were saying was true. But i just can't get past what it says in 1st Corinthians 14:5 where Paul says that "he who prophesies is GREATER than he who speaks with tongues"(NKVJ)...so why then do "they" always emphasize the tongues but not the prophesying? And why should the average person/believer just take THEIR word for it?? 

I think “speaking in tongues” is just an ego trip for many. I think most likely they are speaking gibberish. Paul told us this: 

[27] If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
[28] But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 1 Cor 14:27-28 RSV

[R. Hartono]

Its difficult to understand if your church doesnt hv Holy Spirit gifts manifest. Without prophetic utterance (xenolalia) n visions (discerning spirits) manifest in church you only hv one way communication instead of dialogue, Holy Spirit use those gifts to rebuke n rebuild each member when we gather.

[JohnD]

Salvation is the evidence of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:11.

By his sacrifice on the cross Jesus baptizes all humanity

with the Holy Spirit (saved) or with fire (lost).

Belief (saved) unbelief (lost). 

 

[missmuffet]

On 8/24/2020 at 10:27 PM, CaptWalker said:

Why are these "charismatic" believers always saying that speaking in tongues is evidence of the "baptism of the Holy Spirit", but never mention prophesying? It is something i have been wondering about ever since i became a true Christian about 25 years ago, but for some reason just let it slide, and assumed that what "they" were saying was true. But i just can't get past what it says in 1st Corinthians 14:5 where Paul says that "he who prophesies is GREATER than he who speaks with tongues"(NKVJ)...so why then do "they" always emphasize the tongues but not the prophesying? And why should the average person/believer just take THEIR word for it?? 

I don't support tongues or prophesying for today. 

[RustyAngeL]

I believe we are filled with the Holy Spirit when we are saved.  Speaking in tongues is a private matter between you and God.

[BeauJangles]

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[CaptWalker]

18 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I don't support tongues or prophesying for today. 

Well i tend to agree, as far as this being the only evidence of the "Baptism" or infilling of the Spirit. Since if it were then i believe there would be MANY more who had experienced this, than just the "Charismatics", where it is probably not even a majority with them. But i would also say that i believe these are still gifts of the Spirit that some people have and use occassionally, or when it is beneficial to others. And other times i feel God can cause miracles to happen where you may be able to understand someone who is speaking in a foreign language even when others cannot.