Mideast Peace 2.0

[Shilohsfoal]

5 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

...but Antiochus has everything to do with the events of Daniel 11:21-32, since he was the one who precipitated all of them.

And 11:31, in turn, has nothing at all to do with the Beast of Revelation.

No, antiochus has nothing to do with the events of Daniel 11.

The Pharisees teach that the abomination of desolation was set up in 167 bc

Jesus said the abomination of desolation is a sign of his come and the time of the end. 

https://biblehub.com/matthew/24-15.htm

Who do you believe, the Pharisees or Jesus? 

Choose whos teaching you will follow. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[WilliamL]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Who do you believe, the Pharisees or Jesus? 

I believe the historical record. Those who do not have a solid background in history cannot understand the OT prophets.

Instead, they project their own beliefs into the texts.

EVERYTHING  in Daniel 11:1-32 (at the very least) is historical, and was accomplished in every detail. History never has, and never will, repeat itself in every detail. If you cannot grasp these simple facts, then you will only deceive yourself and others in your interpretation of the prophets.

[iamlamad]

53 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

OK

Will you understand when many in Israel are made clean and purified because they understand after the daily sacrifice is abolished? 

Look, if you choose to believe this verse is future, fine. I choose to believe it is past. But it is not a critical verse. It will make no eternal difference either way. 

[Shilohsfoal]

37 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I believe the historical record. Those who do not have a solid background in history cannot understand the OT prophets.

Instead, they project their own beliefs into the texts.

EVERYTHING  in Daniel 11:1-32 (at the very least) is historical, and was accomplished in every detail. History never has, and never will, repeat itself in every detail. If you cannot grasp these simple facts, then you will only deceive yourself and others in your interpretation of the prophets.

Then you have chosen to believe the Pharisees and you reject what Jesus taught in the gospel. 

https://biblehub.com/matthew/24-15.htm

[Shilohsfoal]

21 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Look, if you choose to believe this verse is future, fine. I choose to believe it is past. But it is not a critical verse. It will make no eternal difference either way. 

Actually it does make a difference what people believe. 

The wise will understand and be made white and purified. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-35.htm

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Shilohsfoal

[WilliamL]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Then you have chosen to believe the Pharisees and you reject what Jesus taught in the gospel. 

https://biblehub.com/matthew/24-15.htm

Not at all. What Jesus referred to was Daniel 12:11, which is future, not Daniel 11:31, which is past both for us and Jesus.

[Shilohsfoal]

10 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Not at all. What Jesus referred to was Daniel 12:11, which is future, not Daniel 11:31, which is past both for us and Jesus.

Daniel as well as Jesus spoke of one abomination of desolation not many. 

It will take place 1290 days after the daily sacrifice is abolished. The king of the south will attacked the king of the north forces in Jerusalem. The armed forces of the north then place the abomination of desolation. 

According to both Jesus and Daniel, it will be a time of great distress, the likes of which has never been seen. At that time, Daniels people will be delivered, everyone found written. And many of those in the dust shall awake. 

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[R. Hartono]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Vespasian caused a covenant to be confirmed within the years 67-73 AD, as I have shown in my blogs on Dan. 9. Josephus has provided the primary evidence for this.

Thats ur story not history 

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

Daniel tells us these Gentiles shall accomplish two things in Daniel 11:31.They will abolish the daily sacrifice and place the abomination of desolation. 

What will happen "physically",  I don't know. 

but I do know spiritually that OUR Daily Sacrifice goes to GOD. 


We have received Christ, and through his blood the love we GIVE directly to  GOD IS A  "the daily sacrifice".  

When put together with Satans throne sitting where IT OUGHT NOT and the
whole world following after him, having believed the lies, deceit and flatteries  look where we end up.   

 The world believing he is God along with all those who didn't heed the warning "do not be deceived by any man" (Satan).


THAT DAY, the day the world is worshipping the Fake, the INSTEAD OF, the Against, the ANTI

THAT DAY the "daily sacrifice" is TAKEN AWAY FROM GOD AND given to the fake.  NOT SEEN, NOT HEARD, NOT KNOWN BY MANY MANY.  


If THAT DAY is ALSO A DAY that GOD TAKES AWAY THE DAILY BREAD/SACRIFICE FROM US, 

BEST to BE A WISE VIRGIN AND HAVE ENOUGH OIL TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE DARKNESS of that night of Satans reign on earth, IN THE LIGHT of TRUTH YOU PURCHASED WITH YOUR TIME AND STUDY, THAT EXTRA OIL.

Some say that animal sacrifice will come back.  I don't know, but if I had to pick a side I would say "no".  I don't think the WORLD KNOWS there is a daily sacrifice or even what it is and so ONLY THOSE WITH EYES AND EARS will even be aware the sacrifice has been "taken" away because they are the only ones who know it is A FAKE being worshipped.  
 They maybe are taking the mark, and don't even know it because they have no "gospel armor" with which to discern. Might even be one of the ones who believe in the pre trib rap and believing "this day" (those left behind)  would never come upon them,  so don't know how they got so far into it.  


Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Hosea 6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for He hath torn, and He will heal us; He hath smitten, and He will bind us up.

Hosea 6:2 After two days will He revive us: in the third day He will raise us up, and WE SHALL LIVE IN HIS SIGHT.  

Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, IF we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and He shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

Hosea 6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away.

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of My mouth: and Thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Hosea 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Hosea 6:8 Gilead is a city of them that work iniquity, and is polluted with blood.

Hosea 6:9 And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.

Hosea 6:10 I have seen an horrible thing in the house of Israel: there is the whoredom of Ephraim, Israel is defiled.

Hosea 6:11 Also, O Judah, He hath set an harvest for thee, when I returned the captivity of my people.

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Actually it does make a difference what people believe. 

The wise will understand and be made white and purified. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-35.htm

 

The church is purified by faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.