Rom 8.1 KJV vs modern translations

[leah777]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Then we would no longer have a choice. That would be going backwards. Animals do not have choice. They tell a story about the pastor who said I can sin all I want, I just do not want to sin. We are a new creation in Christ and our old nature is gone.  There is no sin in Heaven. Satan and the angels got thrown down to the earth because of sin. Of course we leave our physical body behind. We have a spiritual body in Heaven but not a physical body like we do on Earth. At least that is what they teach. 

we had a choice - to follow Christ or not. We made our choice. We have to stick with our Word to follow Christ, or face the consequences.

Jesus called people to follow Him. He did not say 'follow me until you change your mind'

[JohnR7]

8 hours ago, leah777 said:

He did not say 'follow me until you change your mind'

Jesus clearly tells us we have to follow Him until the end. "the one who perseveres to the end will be saved". (Matthew 10:22) 

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Perhaps what you are thinking about is that God is able to finish the work He began in us. 

"being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus". (Philip 1:6)

[leah777]

23 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Jesus clearly tells us we have to follow Him until the end. "the one who perseveres to the end will be saved". (Matthew 10:22) 

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Perhaps what you are thinking about is that God is able to finish the work He began in us. 

"being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus". (Philip 1:6)

No. You miss my point again. 

[JohnR7]

1 minute ago, leah777 said:

No. You miss my point again. 

Actually you are the one missing the point but that is ok. I am not that worried about it. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

People were messing with Paul's words even in his day itself. Romans 3:8, 2 Peter 3:15-16.

So it is no marvel that perhaps some of those same twistings have carried over into this day.

I strongly believe that much of Paul's letters have been heavily edited beyond what we realize.

 

And that we have to be led by the Spirit is clear from Romans 8:2,9,13-14 and Galatians 5:18-24.

If we are not led by the Spirit we are under the law.

The "us" Paul speaks of at the end of Romans 8 are those being led by the Spirit.

If we grieve the Holy Spirit, walking in a way contrary to what Christ and Paul taught, we become the enemies of God: Isaiah 63:10, Philippians 3:18-19.

"The enemies of the Lord shall be as the splendor of the meadows, into smoke shall they vanish" Psalm 37:20 

[JTC]

On 9/28/2020 at 5:47 AM, JohnR7 said:

Many are called but few are chosen. 

I do not see more than a remnant or 10% of the people that actually represent God. 

I agree with these 2 statements. This is why I don't argue with anyone anymore. I will add that the only possible way to know who's part of the 10% to look at how a person behaves, and that's impossible to do online. So why bother arguing.

[JohnR7]

44 minutes ago, JTC said:

I agree with these 2 statements. This is why I don't argue with anyone anymore. I will add that the only possible way to know who's part of the 10% to look at how a person behaves, and that's impossible to do online. So why bother arguing.

Actually this has to do with the words that come out of their mouth. We are judged for every word we speak. We also can not approve of sin in others and that is a very high price to pay because people will disown us. They want hearty approval and we simply can not do that if we want to represent God. 

"So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth." (Rev 3:16) This has nothing to do with salvation. This has to do with the remnant that take their priesthood serious to speak the word of God. This is how we know who does and who does not represent God. 

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light." (1 Peter 2:9)

 

Edited September 30, 2020 by JohnR7

[LadyKay]

On 9/27/2020 at 3:18 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Omitting text from the bible never helps.

I see we on one page 4 of this and I have not read any other post other then the first three. But here is what I have to say. It is because King James got it wrong. Well they did not mean to get it wrong. They just did not know at the time. The newer translations corrected a lot of stuff. That is why some verses read differently.  

Oh and I want to know if you are a real Jedi! 

Edited October 1, 2020 by LadyKay

[Jedi4Yahweh]

32 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

I see we on one page 4 of this and I have not read any other post other then the first three. But here is what I have to say. It is because King James got it wrong. Well they did not mean to get it wrong. They just did not know at the time. The newer translations corrected a lot of stuff. That is why some verses read differently.  

Oh and I want to know if you are a real Jedi! 

There many real Jedi's

The reason it does not show up in modern translations is due to Westcott and Hort which both have very questionable backgrounds removed lots of text from the bible.  They formed what is know as the critical text which most modern translation have adapted to.  Here is a link to all the text they decided to remove from the bible. 

https://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html

[LadyKay]

1 hour ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

There many real Jedi's

The reason it does not show up in modern translations is due to Westcott and Hort which both have very questionable backgrounds removed lots of text from the bible.  They formed what is know as the critical text which most modern translation have adapted to.  Here is a link to all the text they decided to remove from the bible. 

https://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/themagicmarker.html

No I think what I am saying is right. But I'm not going to go on about. And it is not really removed. It is in a footnote. I always read the footnotes.