Why good men go to hell?

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Who me said:

Basic legal principal.  Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law.

This is a human, earth based legal principal.

 

It also applies to heavenly laws and is many clearer in that all heaven declares the Glory of God,

 

5 hours ago, Who me said:

 

and all creation praises him so that man is without any excuse.

 

5 hours ago, Who me said:

As you say God is gracious and those who sincerely seek him will find him.

 

Your message in the above post is out of alignment, with the Gospel message to go and tell people to inform to articulate the need to believe in Jesus Christ.  

I find your post extremely Judging without cause. 

Man is doomed because all the creation is praising him. 

The last thing God wants. 

 

[johnthebaptist]

6 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Many have said why would a good man go to hell? That is why I will not believe in God as Christians. Would you believe God does not send people to hell. Not even sinful ones. 2 Peter 3:9 God is patient not wanting any to perish, but for everyone to come to repentence .

So God is not quick to punish. Romans 3:23 says All have sinned and come of the glory of God.

2 Peter   but God is longsuffering to us not willing that any should perish. 

So even though the issue is being sinful is not sin that will send us to hell, but that we  would not come to the one would who died to save us from our sin.

For God so loved the world, (Which is meaning us being  men) that He gave His only begotten Son so we should not perish, but have everlasting life. 

So why good men go to hell is not that we sin as much it is that sin is in us when we are born and we come to the need of a savior and his willing to be nailed to the cross for us. This is mentioned in John 3 :16

Men go to hell because they rejected Christ and His crucifiction. A sinful man has no need to go to hell but  by his own choice to reject their need for Christ. God takes no pleasure for this. Listen to the words of Jesus in John 3: 18-21 He that believeth in Him is not condemned, but he that believeth not in Him is condemned already because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And thi is the condemnation that light came into the world and men loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. For ever one that doith evil, for everyone who evil hateth the light neither commeth to the light less his deed should be reproved

But he that doeth truth come's to the light that his deeds be manifest that they may  be wrought in God

David said that he was born in sin from his mothers womb  Psalm 51.

So any you think God is cruel because you believe of yourself as good have you never sinned? or that you have never done something wrong or shameful? Was  Christ not nailed to the cross for you so you would not have to go to hell? 

God is not harsh and quick to punish. Still no one knows if they have a tomorrow. You might find yourself before Christ today. Think what dangerous times we are living in right now.

No one is good: 

[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
[18] And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." Mark 10:17-18 RSV 

Where did you get the idea anyone goes to hell forever? We go to hell when we sin, and return when we repent, I believe. The only way to spend eternity in hell is to refuse to repent throughout all eternity. Who’s going to do that?

[Mike Mclees]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

@Mike Mclees You might also ask why bad men go to heaven.

Fortunately Scripture answers both questions, why seemingly good people will be judged and condemned, and why seemingly bad people will be saved from such condemnation. Doing good, even being good by human standards is not sufficient to achieve salvation, which is by grace through faith and not of works. I have much to say on this topic but do not want to post long so here are a few important verses which we should always keep in mind and take to heart.

Psa 14:1-3  To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.  (2)  The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.  (3)  They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that does good, no, not one.

Rom 3:10-20  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:  (11)  There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.  (12)  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one.  (13)  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:  (14)  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:  (15)  Their feet are swift to shed blood:  (16)  Destruction and misery are in their ways:  (17)  And the way of peace have they not known:  (18)  There is no fear of God before their eyes.  (19)  Now we know that what things soever the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.  (20)  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 6:18-23  Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.  (19)  I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.  (20)  For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.  (21)  What fruit had you then in those things whereof you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.  (22)  But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.  (23)  For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We should not be surprised we would see many bad people in heaven while many so called good men will not. 

If not for grace we would have no hope. 

[Your closest friendnt]

18 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

No one is good: 

[17] And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him, and asked him, "Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
[18] And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." Mark 10:17-18 RSV 

Where did you get the idea anyone goes to hell forever? We go to hell when we sin, and return when we repent, I believe. The only way to spend eternity in hell is to refuse to repent throughout all eternity. Who’s going to do that?

I am wondering why have I not figured this one out, maybe I don't have your bible reading.  

[Your closest friendnt]

15 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I am wondering why have I not figured this one out, maybe I don't have your bible reading.  

So can you give me your bible readings. 

 

[Sower]

9 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

Many have said why would a good man go to hell? That is why I will not believe in God as Christians. Would you believe God does not send people to hell. Not even sinful ones. 2 Peter 3:9 God is patient not wanting any to perish, but for everyone to come to repentance .

"I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again.    Jn, 3,3

If mother Teresa, the catholic nun, depended upon her works to get to heaven, and was not saved, born of the spirit, born again, then she is in hell. According to her own catholic bible.

Then you have another example. The last person who talked to Jesus before he died, a criminal, led a life of thievery, a thief, yet Jesus told him he would be in paradise that day, because he believed.

One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41“And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

[LearningToLetGo]

21 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Jesus stated quite plainly no one is good.

Wouldn't this also mean that no one is bad, and that words like 'good' and 'bad' are meaningless when used to describe human affairs?

[Willa]

Most people believe they are going to heaven no matter how wicked they are.  They claim they are just as good as the next guy.  They may hate Christians and Jews, hate the Bible and don't want to be near a church, but they are still going to heaven.  They curse God's Name and hate righteousness but think they are good. It is the Holy Spirit's job to reveal their hearts to them so they recognize their need for a Savior.

[LearningToLetGo]

5 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

We need to see that there are two kinds of good being addressed in this topic.

This is helpful. I guess we need more words. It's confusing since we just have the one 'good' and we use it to describe mankind from God's vantage point as well as our own.

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by LearningToLetGo
Fixed type-o

[Willa]

2 minutes ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Wouldn't this also mean that no one is bad, and that words like 'good' and 'bad' are meaningless when used to describe human affairs?

NO!.  the Bible says everyone is bad.  To be in heaven with God we must first trust God and trust His words in Scripture.  

Humanism tends to deny the existence of good and evil or black and white, claiming that there are only shades of gray.  What a crock!  Mass murderers are only a shade of gray?   Child abusers and those who torture are only a shade of gray?  That is amorality.   They may also be called sociopaths.