Who is the anti-christ?

[appy]

1 hour ago, debrakay said:

When I look at the numbers of posts and compare that to the number of insults I am doing fine!  Thanks for the boost of confidence! 

You're welcome 

[Logostician]

On 3/7/2021 at 7:21 AM, JohnD said:

For the sake of argument, those who believe the antichrist is a system or religion please refrain from derailing this discussion.

IF (notice I said if for your sakes) the antichrist is an actual person as I believe the Bible teaches (and identifies)... then who is it?

The beast and the false prophet have not been revealed yet.  And we may not be in this world when they are revealed.

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Logostician said:

The beast and the false prophet have not been revealed yet.  And we may not be in this world when they are revealed.

I don’t know about that ..... right now I say that @rf52 is looking pretty good.....  

(Just kidding @rf52 or “Your Darkness”),

Charlie (soon to be “In flames Charlie). 

[R. Hartono]

On 3/7/2021 at 10:21 PM, JohnD said:

IF (notice I said if for your sakes) the antichrist is an actual person as I believe the Bible teaches (and identifies)... then who is it?

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/228062-the-8th-king-of-revelation-17/

 

[luigi]

The Antichrist is the little horn in Daniel 7 & 8. He is also referred to as the mouth of the beast of 10 horns in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Additionally, in Revelation 16, 19, and 20, he is also referred to as the false prophet.

As to when the AC/little horn/ beasts mouth/false prophet will appear; according to Daniel 8:8-9, he rises in power after the beasts notable horn (military force) secede into four horns/military forces, following the annihilation of Persia/Iran.

He is fatter than those around him (Daniel 7:20). He is a massive narcissist, always exalting and magnifying himself (Daniel 8:11 & 25; and 11:36-37), and thereby will see himself as the love (God) of the people (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

You guys should really read the bible once in a while; there is a lot more criteria to this individual throughout the bible, along with various other aliases. The AC is also the foolish idol shepherd who does not care about the flock (Zechariah 11:15-17).

[Arrabon]

As far as i can tell, "THE ANTI-CHRIST" hasn't shown up yet, and the circumstances mentioned in the bible haven't come about yet for him to appear, BUT..the word anti-Christ simply means against Christ, and in my decades of walking with the Lord I have seen plenty of individuals and groups who are against Christs teachings and His Gospel.

For me the one group that fits in my second example is the common church at large.

The majority of churches today have a doctrinal form of Christianity, but fall way short of professing a salvation and lifestyle that saves anyone.

To me that's why God said in Matthew 7:14 that few will enter the kingdom, and in Luke 13:23-24, Christ said many will seek to enter, but not be able.

It's a reality most want to ignore, but their day is coming!!

 

My name is Arrabon

[Justin Adams]

Anti can also mean 'instead of' or mimicking. As in antithesis. Opposing perhaps.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Charlie744]

17 minutes ago, luigi said:

The Antichrist is the little horn in Daniel 7 & 8. He is also referred to as the mouth of the beast of 10 horns in Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Additionally, in Revelation 16, 19, and 20, he is also referred to as the false prophet.

As to when the AC/little horn/ beasts mouth/false prophet will appear; according to Daniel 8:8-9, he rises in power after the beasts notable horn (military force) secede into four horns/military forces, following the annihilation of Persia/Iran.

He is fatter than those around him (Daniel 7:20). He is a massive narcissist, always exalting and magnifying himself (Daniel 8:11 & 25; and 11:36-37), and thereby will see himself as the love (God) of the people (2 Thessalonians 2:4).

You guys should really read the bible once in a while; there is a lot more criteria to this individual throughout the bible, along with various other aliases. The AC is also the foolish idol shepherd who does not care about the flock (Zechariah 11:15-17).

Thank you very much luigi for your thoughts and certainly your passion for His Word!

If I may, I would ask you to consider looking at "just Daniel" for its interpretations and understandings before moving forward to Revelation. Daniel is necessary to understand Revelation and not the other way around.

Yes, they certainly MUST agree but if we look to Revelation (and just about everyone does) to understand and interpret those very difficult verses in Daniel, then it becomes circular and now Revelation will define Daniel.

So, before you bring in your understanding of Revelation and apply it to Daniel, let me ask you to interpret this "little horn" based on the information found in 2, 7,8 and 11.

In addition to the reasons mentioned above why we should interpret Daniel "on its own" we should realize that this book was written to the JEWS FIRST, meaning that Paul and all the Jews up to the coming of the Messiah would have all the information / interpretation / understanding they would need to see the coming Messiah in Daniel. God would not be telling the Jews not to be too concerned with Daniel since you will need Revelation to interpret it... and oh by the way, Revelation will not be written for another 50 years or so... sorry about that!  NO... because Daniel is so difficult to interpret in many chapters most folks looked to Revelation to interpret and then apply these to Daniel... 

If you were to follow this approach, then where is this AC? He is NOT found in Daniel only the "little horn" is specifically identified by Daniel. It is not correct to consider the "little horn" as a synonym for the AC.... This is a good example of an actor interpreted in Revelation being identified as the "little horn" in Daniel.

 If you were to follow this approach, then were is this Persian / Iran military force? Didn't Daniel just tell us the Persians were the second kingdom of Daniel's metal man image and was conquered by Greece?  The only way you could say this is if you went to Revelation and interpreted it as such and they brought it back to Daniel.... Daniel just dealt with them... they are gone ... and also the Greek kingdom (the 3rd kingdom) has disappeared. The 4th kingdom begins as pagan Rome and is in power when the Messiah arrived. 
 

This "little horn" (papacy) will indeed come out of this 4th kingdom and will speak against God, think to change times and laws (4th commandment), and he will come to power (initially NO military force) and replace the pagan Roman empire (this "little horn" is specifically identified in Daniel 11:21 and also 36).

There are so many other "today's accepted interpretations of Daniel" that were first identified or found or discovered or whatever term you want in the book of Revelation. They were sent right back to Daniel and made to "fit" these square messages into the round holes of Daniel. And for the past 100 years or so, these are now treated as "gospel" and are not challenged in any way.

Unfortunately, most of this is due to the work of the "little horn" as well. In the early 1500's the Jesuits were commissioned to prepare a solid interpretation within Daniel that would remove the title of the "little horn" from the papacy. This happened at the time of the Reformation and the RCC was getting blasted in this issue and many others = works, purgatory, pope is god on earth, confession through their priests, on and on... They are the ones who promoted the "he" in Daniel 9:27 was not the Messiah but was this AC boogeyman who would come in the far future thus negating the papacy as the "little horn" (since Daniel tells us this "little horn" had been revealed for the past 1200 years at least as the papacy). 

So, they indeed corrupted the Word of God - especially Daniel.

Once again, and it will be very difficult for most and impossible for many but if you could or would start your study of Daniel WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION OF REVELATION, you will indeed see a completely different message.

It seems, and I was extremely surprised at this, that when I would offer my opinion and thoughts on Daniel I would always find the responses relied on their interpretations within Revelation. It would not matter if I asked them to just consider the verses in Daniel, they would refuse and point me to the verses, the actors and events they believe they found in Revelation.... and then because these two books must agree, Daniel must also mean what is interpreted in Revelation.

Leave Revelation alone and understand the prophecies and messages to be found just within Daniel. Only then can they be applied to our understanding of Revelation.

So far, I have not found ONE individual willing to walk down that road with me.... they almost immediately jump off the path and skip over to the Revelation path. I certainly understand this... it is what they have read, been taught, have accepted, on and on..... and unfortunately, they are not open to look at Daniel on its own and start at its beginning chapter.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

 

[Justin Adams]

21 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Just my thoughts, Charlie

 

Very good thoughts. Funny how you can step on people's toes and have them enjoy the limp... Good Charlie. 

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Very good thoughts. Funny how you can step on people's toes and have them enjoy the limp... Good Charlie. 

Thank you Justin and I just want to mention to ALL that I do NOT EVER mean to step on anyone's toes but apparently others may receive it differently.... Once I begin to respond .... especially with Daniel since it is the only book I have studied and continue to study and where I believe today's interpretations are so off .... my mind seems to go on automatic and attempt to "vomit" out as much information as I think MAYBE relevant / important at the risk of not "smoothing" out the tone or intensity...

luigi and ALL OTHERS IN THIS FORUM, please accept my SINCERE apologies as I do not mean to damage your toes or scuff your shoes...ever.... Charlie