Futurism

[Retrobyter]

9 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Tim, I believe they will be raised from the grave and because they rejected the Messiah they will not be given HIS "Spirit" the one that Adam lost in the Garden..... now, this "living body" (raised from the grave), can never become a "living soul"and once again be with the LORD.

Just my thoughts, Charlie

Shalom, Charlie.

Sorry, Adam didn't lose "God's Spirit" in the Garden. You won't find that anywhere within the text of Scripture.

[Justin Adams]

To continue with what I consider 'wrong headed futurism' we should take a look at those 'definite' prophesy pundits that got it absolutely wrong. Why? Because they may still be peddling stuff that people follow blindly. They still may be selling books or TV time for a healthy chunk of change. 

The scripture to me is clear: If a prophesy fails, then the prophet is a fake!!

[Heleadethme]

16 hours ago, David1701 said:

There is a difference between a born again Christian making mistakes and misunderstanding some things (we all do) and the deliberate deception of Romanism, which subverts the gospel and teaches a false way of salvation.  Born again Christians do not do this.

I was Just saying.  Wasn't at all trying to diminish the seriousness of the dangers of Catholicism...just pointing to the root cause.  We're not wrestling with flesh & blood but with powers and principalities that work through the flesh.

Paul said to the born again believing church that after he departed wolves would come in, not sparing the flock (he was the one restraining them at the time).   And it still goes on, to one degree or another, making merchandise of the lambs, wolves feeding their flesh (ambition, power, prestige, or money) but the people love to have it so.  That is the antichrist spirit that we all need to overcome in ourselves and grow out of.......in our flesh, whether we are a wolf exploiting the flock to whatever degree, or a lamb who loves to have a flesh&blood "king" in the place of our invisible Head....until the wolf and the lamb are both at rest in the Lord.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Charlie.

Sorry, Adam didn't lose "God's Spirit" in the Garden. You won't find that anywhere within the text of Scripture.

Yes you will!!!! I just wrote it in the margins yesterday! I understand, and I am sure you agree, not everything is spelled out in the Bible but I have provided my thoughts on why I believe this was not just air..... Adam certainly lost his immortality and the ability to be in HIS presence .... this is what it is all about.... restoration..... to get back the gift God gave us ...... 

I also read your comment that, "Adam had the possibility for immortality"..... where is that in the Bible.... it is not..... it is simply your interpretation. .... which you are entitled to make based on how you read the Scriptures....  Adam already had immortality because he did lose it.... he did not lose the possibility of it....

If he did not sin he would still be there.......

We can disagree ...... its all good.... Charlie 

[Alive]

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[Alive]

Lots of pages in this thread to read through.

:-)

I did my best to go through and clean up areas that were more personal arguing and such, rather than topical. Not perfectly, I suspect.

Its important to respect other members and if one says that they no longer wish to engage and another continues anyway--this is a forcing of will on another or even manipulation. Respect that request.

There were several reports made by various individuals and we are obligated to investigate.

Please carry on.

[Justin Adams]

Thanks Alive for the efforts you put in.

I want to revisit the 'fake futurism' that began my quest before the break.

It is very very important that unrepentant fake-prophets be noted and held accountable. Especially in eschatology where so many people seem to be focused.

This is not a small matter and can be the ruin of believers that might feel dismay when the reality sets in that 'my fav teacher' was proved to be in error.

I hope it sends us scurrying for our dusty bibles and gets us to study well and think coherently.

@Josheb said previously: "The problem is they haven't gotten one prediction correct in 200 years."

So why are they still in their various 'offices'??

Who are the false prophets??

Edited April 13, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Guest kingdombrat]

3 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

To continue with what I consider 'wrong headed futurism' we should take a look at those 'definite' prophesy pundits that got it absolutely wrong. Why? Because they may still be peddling stuff that people follow blindly. They still may be selling books or TV time for a healthy chunk of change. 

The scripture to me is clear: If a prophesy fails, then the prophet is a fake!!

You mean like the 1988 [88 Reasons God comes back in 1988]? Or possibly at the turn of 1999 to 2,000 [Y2K = Crash and end of Earth and return of God]? or, there are so many it is fascinating to think God said (while in human form) No Man knows the day/time/hour.   And we still have men being definitive about the specifics to His Return.   Oral Roberts I need 7 Million dollars or God is going to kill me.   I loved that man and still do.   It wasn't his [Healing Ministry] but he was a very good {speaker} (as was Jim Jones).   But yes, the list is long here of some fascinating stances men of God have made that crashed and burned like a paper airplane gliding into a camp fire.

[Guest kingdombrat]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

Thanks Alive for the efforts you put in.

I want to revisit the 'fake futurism' that began my quest before the break.

It is very very important that unrepentant fake-prophets be noted and held accountable. Especially in eschatology where so many people seem to be focused.

This is not a small matter and can be the ruin of believers that might feel dismay when the reality sets in that 'my fav teacher' was proved to be in error.

I hope it sends us scurrying for our dusty bibles and gets us to study well and think coherently.

@Josheb said previously: "The problem is they haven't gotten one prediction correct in 200 years."

So why are they still in their various 'offices'??

Who are the false prophets??

When you began this Topic of Futurism, it started off with the RCC creating myths.   Is this [WHOM] You and Josheb are speaking specifically about concerning, "The problem is they haven't gotten one prediction correct in 200 years?"

[Justin Adams]

9 minutes ago, kingdombrat said:

crashed and burned like a paper airplane gliding into a camp fire

Thanks. Keep the thoughts flowing and perhaps we can help the newbies all over the world that might be taken in by these slick salesmen.

We ARE the watchmen on the walls of disinformation...

Edited April 13, 2021 by Justin Adams