NASB 2020

[other one]

what happens when someone seeking knowledge of Christ comes to these threads and hears us talking about mistakes in translations and this is wrong and that is wrong.      Can or does it affect their ability to initially believe?

[Justin Adams]

14 hours ago, Marathoner said:

Masoretic Text

The Masoretic rewrite was begun around the second century and 'removed' much of the messianic stuff the Jews found objectionable in the LXX translation of the Original Hebrew. The LXX was now mainly outlawed for the same reason. There is not just one of these either as many rabbis kept their original Hebrew and preferred it and the LXX. There are a couple if not more iterations of all these texts. The Qumran texts (that are still being compiled) and the later Ugaritic texts allow more understanding/validation of some of the ancient Hebrew's ideas.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Justin Adams]

12 minutes ago, other one said:

what happens when someone seeking knowledge of Christ comes to these threads and hears us talking about mistakes in translations and this is wrong and that is wrong.      Can or does it affect their ability to initially believe?

I believe that any thinker would be happy to see that as more discoveries are made the 'religious' community is open to consider them. The old RCC 'closed shop' (or you die) was not helpful, even though much of our Christianity today still seems to follow the pre-reformation ideas and dictates set down by the 'mother church'.

As Ravi used to say, "Let my people think."

[Alive]

⁴³ Jesus answered and said to them, “Stop complaining among yourselves. ⁴⁴ “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. ⁴⁵ “It is written in the Prophets: ‘ AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. ⁴⁶ “ Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father. ⁴⁷ “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who believes has eternal life.

 

[David1701]

18 hours ago, TheBlade said:

This thread was about "For those of you who enjoy the NASB translation, a brand new update has been published." This is great! 

......as for what you posted.. there's a reason why some used "yet" others left it out. I know 9 and there are more that left "yet" out. 

There are a lot more than nine translations that omit the "yet"; but, what they all have in common, is that they all make the Lord Jesus Christ out to be a LIAR!  This matters; and it is only one amongst many, many such problems with so-called "Critical Text" translations.

[appy]

The NASB has a good reputation, I don't understand why it would need criticism. I would be more concerned about translations that either change the gospel message altogether, omit the divinity of Christ, deny the trinity or teach that sins aren't really sins. The abhorrent translations I'm speaking of are not any of the updated or reprinted well known versions.

[Willa]

23 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I'm neither a scholar nor translator but the history of various translations of the scriptures are more nuanced than some might suspect. For example, the King James Version relies upon the Masoretic Text for the Law and the Prophets (Old Testament), the earliest known codex of which is dated to the 9th century. This codex was the product of the Masoretes (Jewish scribes and scholars) who were active in Palestine between the 5th and 10th centuries. 

Textual analysis of the New Testament letters reveals over 300 instances where the authors quoted the Law and Prophets in a manner identical to passages found in the Greek translation of the Old Testament known as The Septuagint. The Septuagint has been reliably dated to a period approximately 300 years before the Lord walked the earth in this flesh, widely known and used during the Second Temple era. The Lord Himself and the apostles were familiar with it and they quoted from The Septuagint as evidence indicates. 

By comparison, 33 quotes of the Old Testament written in the New Testament agree with the Masoretic Text so in this case, the Masoretic Text can be considered as the "minority text." 

A nice feature of the NASB are the footnotes... the translators mark words and phrases which differ from the Majority Text, and furnish the word and or phrase from the Majority Text for the reader's benefit. That's a high standard of scholarship. 

The reason few Majority text passages agree with the Septuagint is that the Hebrew text was used for the Old Testament by its translators.  

Is the translation improved for the verbs with continuous tenses?  I like the NEV in  1 John 3, for instance.  This in one area in which KJV did a lousy job.  I wonder if Luther did any better than Tyndale.

1Jn 3:6  No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

1Jn 3:7  Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

This is the accurate translation of the verb tenses.  

[Alive]

I am absolutely certain that the Lord will accomplish precisely what He means to regardless of translations.

We are incredibly fortunate to have the resources we do. The Gospel is saturating the world and will continue to do so.

step back and take a big picture view. I enjoy all of it. Not long ago, there were no printing presses and few could read or write. Think about that! Perspective is your friend.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, appy said:

The NASB has a good reputation, I don't understand why it would need criticism. I would be more concerned about translations that either change the gospel message altogether, omit the divinity of Christ, deny the trinity or teach that sins aren't really sins. The abhorrent translations I'm speaking of are not any of the updated or reprinted well known versions.

Which counterfeit is the more dangerous?

1) A bright orange one dollar bill, with purple spots (I'll use American currency, since most here seem to be American)

2) A one dollar bill that has several hard to notice errors, but looks fine, at first glance

If you have ever read the comments of people like Westcott, Hort, and various Roman Catholic commentators, on the effects of changes in Critical Text translations, you would understand the need for criticism.  The Critical Text, on which the NASB (and many others) translation is based, in the NT, was altered deliberately, in order to make it agree more with the views of Westcott and Hort.  Modern versions of the Critical Text often go even further than they did, in altering the text.

Many of the changes weaken, cast doubt on, or omit, very important verses, or, in cases like John 7:8, they create serious doctrinal error.

[appy]

7 hours ago, David1701 said:

Which counterfeit is the more dangerous?

1) A bright orange one dollar bill, with purple spots (I'll use American currency, since most here seem to be American)

2) A one dollar bill that has several hard to notice errors, but looks fine, at first glance

If you have ever read the comments of people like Westcott, Hort, and various Roman Catholic commentators, on the effects of changes in Critical Text translations, you would understand the need for criticism.  The Critical Text, on which the NASB (and many others) translation is based, in the NT, was altered deliberately, in order to make it agree more with the views of Westcott and Hort.  Modern versions of the Critical Text often go even further than they did, in altering the text.

Many of the changes weaken, cast doubt on, or omit, very important verses, or, in cases like John 7:8, they create serious doctrinal error.

 

 

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

 

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In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.

 

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Our Father in heaven, Reveal who you are. Set the world right; Do what’s best—    as above, so below.  Keep us alive with three square meals.Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others. Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil. You’re in charge! You can do anything you want! You’re ablaze in beauty!     Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

The above sentences, are what I am talking about. I'm very sure that the NIV, NASB, ESB,  or the NKJV doesn't read as any of these, I've quoted from.

The first two examples are of removing Jesus' divinity.  Those are from two different translations.  The first one reads as a false god, the second one has not only removed Jesus' divinity, but also that Jesus is a person of the trinity, as well as removing his humanity.  The third one, sounds as if God doesn't know what to do and needs encouragement.