Pandemic

[OneLight]

4 hours ago, just_abc said:

I am thinking that perhaps in some countries it possibly might have been the opposite?  i.e that in some countries perhaps it might have been downplayed instead?  Even though it might have risked lives? 

Being that I am from the US, I am speaking of the news from this country only.  It is very possible, most likely probable, that some countries may of downplayed this in their news.  Which countries are you talking about so I can check?

As for the US news, it's crazy here when it comes to reporting.  Funny that I call it reporting as most of what is called news here is only commentary.  It is extremely hard to find the real facts these past years, even from those who are supposedly talking about the facts.  

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Being that I am from the US, I am speaking of the news from this country only.  It is very possible, most likely probable, that some countries may of downplayed this in their news.  Which countries are you talking about so I can check?

As for the US news, it's crazy here when it comes to reporting.  Funny that I call it reporting as most of what is called news here is only commentary.  It is extremely hard to find the real facts these past years, even from those who are supposedly talking about the facts.  

Agreed! I have found that (especially in the last few years and acutely in the last year--it has taken a great deal of effort to gain enough knowledge to synthesize things to a reasonably certain conclusion(s).

[Justin Adams]

The other shoe falls with a BANG..

US Grant to Wuhan Lab to Enhance Bat-Based Coronaviruses Was Never Scrutinized by HHS Review Board: NIH
BY THE DAILY CALLER NEWS FOUNDATION April 6, 2021 Updated: April 6, 2021

An oversight board created to scrutinize research that would enhance highly dangerous pathogens did not review a National Institutes of Health grant that funded a lab in Wuhan, China, to genetically modify bat-based coronaviruses.

Experts say the NIH grant describes scientists conducting gain-of-function research, a risky area of study that, in this case, made SARS-like viruses even more contagious. Federal funding for gain-of-function research was temporarily suspended in 2014 due to widespread scientific concerns it risked leaking supercharged viruses into the human population.

Federal funding for gain-of-function research was resumed in late 2017 after the Potential Pandemic Pathogens Control and Oversight (P3CO) Framework was formed within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). The review board is tasked with critically evaluating whether grants that involve enhancing dangerous pathogens, such as coronaviruses, are worth the risks and that proper safeguards are in place.

But the NIH subagency that awarded the grant to the nonprofit group EcoHealth Alliance to study Chinese bat coronaviruses opted against forwarding it to the P3CO committee, an NIH spokesperson told the Daily Caller News Foundation, meaning the research received federal funding without an independent review by the HHS board.

“This is a systemic problem,” Rutgers University professor of chemical biology Richard H. Ebright told the DCNF, referring to the loophole in the review framework.

Ebright said the offices of the director for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID)—the subagency that funded EcoHealth—and the NIH have “systematically thwarted–indeed systematically nullified–the HHS P3CO Framework by declining to flag and forward proposals for review.”

Dr. Anthony Fauci leads the NIAID and Dr. Francis S. Collins heads the NIH.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci testifies during a Senate hearing on the federal coronavirus response on Capitol Hill in Washington, on March 18, 2021. 
An NIH spokesperson said its subagency did not flag the EcoHealth grant for independent review by the HHS review committee.

“After careful review of the grant, NIAID determined research in the grant was not gain-of-function research because it did not involve the enhancement of the pathogenicity or transmissibility of the viruses studied,” the spokesperson told the DCNF.

“We would not submit research proposals that did not meet the definition, because otherwise we would need to submit everything,” the spokesperson said.

How Federal Oversight of Gain-of-Function Research Is Bypassed
The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) is at the center of widespread speculation that COVID-19 could have accidentally leaked from a lab into the human population. EcoHealth’s grant to study bat-based coronaviruses in China included the transfer of $600,000 to the WIV.

Had EcoHealth’s grant been subjected to P3CO review, an HHS panel would have independently evaluated the grant and, if necessary, recommended additional biocontainment measures to prevent potential lab leaks—or even recommended that the grant be denied entirely.

The WIV is a biosafety level 4 laboratory, the highest level biocontainment certification, but U.S. Embassy officials issued two diplomatic cables warning about inadequate safety at the lab after a visit in 2018. One of the cables warned that the lab’s work on bat-based coronaviruses represented the risk of a new SARS-like pandemic, according to The Washington Post.

An annex to the World Health Organization’s COVID-19 origin report released Tuesday describes the WIV’s work using “recombinant viruses” in tests involving bat coronaviruses, which Ebright said are descriptions of gain-of-function research.

The U.S. government paused funding of gain-of-function research in 2014 after lab workers were accidentally exposed to anthrax by the Centers for Disease Control, according to The New York Times. The incident came on the heels of widespread scientific outcry in 2011 when it was revealed that laboratories in Wisconsin and the Netherlands were intentionally modifying the H5N1 bird flu virus so it could more effectively jump between ferrets.

Federally funded gain-of-function research resumed in 2017 after new oversight procedures were implemented. The review framework split oversight responsibilities between two groups—the funding agency (the NIAID in the case of the EcoHealth grant) and the P3CO Review Committee, an interdisciplinary group convened by HHS.

The committee is responsible for recommending whether a research grant involving gain-of-function needs to include any additional risk mitigation measures, an HHS spokesperson told the DCNF. But the committee is kept in the dark on any grant until the funding agency flags one for its review.

The P3CO Framework doesn’t require the HHS review committee to take a second look at the NIAID’s determination following its review that the EcoHealth grant did not involve gain-of-function research.

The NIH spokesperson said it would be “misleading and inaccurate” to suggest NIAID was required to notify the HHS review committee of its determination.

An HHS spokesperson confirmed that the department’s P3CO Review Committee only reviews research grants that are flagged for additional review by funding agencies such as NIAID. The spokesperson did not answer when asked if the review committee had knowledge of the EcoHealth grant.

Ecohealth has a history of manipulating bat-based coronaviruses. The group’s president, Peter Daszak, said as much during a podcast interview filmed in Singapore just weeks before the first reported cases of COVID-19 in Wuhan in December 2019.

“You can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily,” Daszak said. “Spike protein drives a lot of what happens with the coronavirus. Zoonotic risk. So you can get the sequence, you can build the protein—and we work with Ralph Baric at [the University of North Carolina] to do this—and insert the backbone of another virus and do some work in the lab.”

Ebright told the DCNF that NIAID was wrong to determine that the EcoHealth grant did not involve enhancing the transmissibility of Chinese bat-based coronaviruses. He said the project’s abstract for the 2019 fiscal year, which referenced “in vitro and in vivo infection experiments” on coronaviruses, “*unequivocally* required risk-benefit review under the HHS P3CO Framework.”

Other scientists have said EcoHealth’s NIH-funded work in China involved gain-of-function research on bat-based coronaviruses.

“It is hard to overemphasize that the central logic of this grant was to test the pandemic potential of SARS-related bat coronaviruses by making ones with pandemic potential, either through genetic engineering or passaging, or both,” Drs. Jonathan Latham and Allison Wilson wrote in June.

The NIH terminated the EcoHealth grant in April 2020. NIH deputy director for extramural research, Michael Lauer, told the group in a letter that the agency “does not believe that the current project outcomes align with the program goals and agency priorities.”

Fauci said during a hearing before the House Energy & Commerce Committee in June that the EcoHealth grant was canceled “because the NIH was told to cancel it.”

“I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it,” Fauci said.

Fauci told Politico following the hearing that former President Donald Trump’s White House ordered the NIH to cancel the grant.

HHS Official Acknowledged Government Oversight Of GOF Research Is Flawed
HHS building
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) building is seen in Washington, on July 22, 2019. (Alastair Pike/AFP via Getty Images)
The only known member of the HHS P3CO Review Committee is its chairman, Chris Hassell, the senior science advisor for the HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response. He disclosed his involvement in a January 2020 talk before the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity.

Hassell said during the talk that the current definition for a potential pandemic pathogen is “very narrow … which has resulted in only getting a few influenza-related proposals” for the committee’s review.

“I’ll just probably be more frank than maybe appropriate—I think that’s too narrow,” said Hassell, who then suggested that the government could be funding gain-of-function research that his committee hasn’t vetted.

“I think that could be revisited, and again there could be some definition issues,” Hassell said.

When gain-of-function funding was paused in 2014, 21 research projects were halted. But the NIH created exceptions for 10 of those, according to The New York Times.

After the funding continued in 2017, only two projects have been approved in accordance with the P3CO Framework. Both projects deal with the influenza virus, according to the NIH.

It’s unclear how many research grants have been reviewed under the framework. An NIH spokesperson said they don’t comment or discuss unfunded grant applications.

It’s also unclear who else serves on the HHS P3CO Review Committee. Hassell said in January 2020 that the committee is comprised only of federal employees, but said it could be detrimental to their work to release their names.

“As much as it would be good to publicize the individual names, which has been suggested, if that chills anyone being willing to serve on that committee, that would be detrimental,” Hassell said.

An HHS spokesperson said Hassell was unavailable for comment.

Eleanor Bartow contributed to this report.

By Andrew Kerr

From The Daily Caller News Foundation

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us-grant-to-wuhan-lab-to-enhance-bat-based-coronaviruses-was-never-scrutinized-by-hhs-review-board-nih_3764227.html

Edited April 7, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Aries2020]

Greetings,

in Melbourne Australia we have been out of lock down for about 8 weeks, and 2 of these weeks where we dont have to wear masks inside shops.

The vaccine is rolling out slowly but at this stage it is optional, but it wouldn't surprise me later down the track if they said the vaccine is compulsory and those they dont want to be vaccinated will be exempt from earning income or utilising government and public resources as they will be deemed a public health risk to others. 

The vaccine maybe considered the mark of the beast or it may not, i suppose everyone needs to reach there own conclusion.

I have heard only Africa and the Congo will accept people, that dont want to be vaccinated.      

Edited April 8, 2021 by Aries2020

[Sower]

R Hortino said;

"I also read from reliable source abt people died a few days after vaccination here n there.

Hydrochloroquin as effective drug for early symptoms shud be sold in drug stores like common flu drugs but instead it is prevented from people delberately"

Just for anybody's information, the Africans has been taking  Hydroxychloroquine since forever.
The populace takes it every Sunday, and they call it the Sunday Sunday pill. (For malaria)
Check for yourself. Their death rate was 1%, that's one percent, of the United States death rate.
I take it now every week myself, for prophylactic defence. ( It now cost's me ten times as much as two years ago)
I took it every week for two years while in Viet Nam, for malaria and other creepy killers.

13 hours ago, Who me said:

No those who distrust any authority for what ever reason would rather use inaccurate, biased, ' reliable' sources.

In case you forgot Who me, this is America.
We still have (for a while) the right to think/do for ourselves.
And decide for ourselves. That's an inaccurate statement you made.
I do no drugs of any kind, nor any vaccines, flu or otherwise.
God made a wonderful immune system that I trust in.
Taking drugs/vaccines (when unnecessary) defeats/weakens this immune system.
Using masks inhibits building up God's orchestrated natural immunities, as the "experts" agreed pre Covid.

When I witnessed/left Viet Nam, I realized I would never, ever, trust the government again.
I recognize your right, Who me, to disagree.
To each his own.
 

[Sower]

Just now, Aries2020 said:

Greetings,

in Melbourne Australia we have been out of lock down for about 8 weeks, and 2 of these weeks where we dont have to wear masks indoor shops.

The vaccine is rolling out slowly but at this stage it is optional, but it wouldn't surprise me later down the track if they said the vaccine is compulsory and those they dont want to be vaccinated will be exempt from earning income or utilising government and public resources as they will be deemed a public health risk to others. 

The vaccine maybe considered the mark of the beast or it may not, i suppose everyone needs to reach there own conclusion.

I have heard only Africa and the Congo will accept people, they dont want to be vaccinated.      

"I have heard only Africa and the Congo will accept people, they don't want to be vaccinated". 

I always wanted to visit Africa........
A great mission field.

[Aries2020]

2 minutes ago, Sower said:

"I have heard only Africa and the Congo will accept people, they don't want to be vaccinated". 

I always wanted to visit Africa........
A great mission field.

its interesting i have heard that miracles signs and wonders seem to flow all over Africa, and other remote areas around the world then in civilisations that are modern and rely on gadgets and technology.    

[teddyv]

37 minutes ago, Sower said:

R Hortino said;

"I also read from reliable source abt people died a few days after vaccination here n there.

Hydrochloroquin as effective drug for early symptoms shud be sold in drug stores like common flu drugs but instead it is prevented from people delberately"

Just for anybody's information, the Africans has been taking  Hydroxychloroquine since forever.
The populace takes it every Sunday, and they call it the Sunday Sunday pill. (For malaria)
Check for yourself. Their death rate was 1%, that's one percent, of the United States death rate.
I take it now every week myself, for prophylactic defence. ( It now cost's me ten times as much as two years ago)
I took it every week for two years while in Viet Nam, for malaria and other creepy killers.

I'd be a bit cautious around the numbers out of Africa. Having worked in Ghana and DRC over a couple years, there is simply not the same infrastructure to track people getting sick and/or dying due to any disease.

I did the chloriquine/paludrine combo in Ghana for malarial protection during one stint. I don't recall many utilizing it weekly but that could depend on the country - it's a big place. For those staying long-term in Ghana, doctor's recommended not taking anything since it could mask the malaria symptoms. There are some very powerful, effective antimalarials.

37 minutes ago, Sower said:

In case you forgot Who me, this is America.
We still have (for a while) the right to think/do for ourselves.
And decide for ourselves. That's an inaccurate statement you made.
I do no drugs of any kind, nor any vaccines, flu or otherwise.
God made a wonderful immune system that I trust in.
Taking drugs/vaccines (when unnecessary) defeats/weakens this immune system.
Using masks inhibits building up God's orchestrated natural immunities, as the "experts" agreed pre Covid.

When I witnessed/left Viet Nam, I realized I would never, ever, trust the government again.
I recognize your right, Who me, to disagree.
To each his own.
 

You seem to be contradicting yourself by taking hydrochloriquine as a prophylaxis and then saying you rely on your immune system, and that taking drugs weakens your immunity. 

You certainly have the right to not take anything, but be cognizant that people who vaccinate assume the risk while you reap the protections.

[Sower]

Just now, teddyv said:

You seem to be contradicting yourself by taking hydrochloriquine as a prophylaxis and then saying you rely on your immune system, and that taking drugs weakens your immunity. 

You certainly have the right to not take anything, but be cognizant that people who vaccinate assume the risk while you reap the protections.

I take Hydroxie  to boost/increase/enhance  my own immunity, not to give myself immunity from covid.
Like staying healthy, in shape, exercising work/rest, and good eating habits etc. Common sense.
I try not to be influenced by the heard instinct, especially government influenced.
My choice, reading/studying about  the virus and this experimental gene therapy misnamed a vaccine.
I made an educated choice. My choice. I have no guilt that you tried to create, ted.
I discovered from many sources the varying percentages range from 25-41% are unwilling to take vaccine.
I actually worry about my friends and those who took the vaccine, the future affects, if any.
Their choice, that I respect.  They probably worry about me, too.
This forum is the only place I have been criticized for simply not injecting myself with an experimental gene
therapy untested/unproven and to be free of adverse future problems, and the cause of others.  Sheese!
God is in control. Not the government.
Thank you for your reply, teddyv....

 

[leah777]

I am not in America. My world is not North America.

I wear mask to protect others, not to protect myself.

People make their own choices.