No Holy Spirit in the Great Tribulation, the sealing and assignment of 144k Hebrew and 2 Witnesses means church era is over.

[Spiros]

The only form of Christians that exists is spiritual Christians. You cannot be a Christian if you are not spiritualy a Christian. It doesn’t matter what your racial or ethnic background is. Hebrew is simply a language, the historical language of the Jewish people. Jesus mainly spoke Aramaic and Greek, not Hebrew. In this day in age it really makes no sense to scientifically talk about Jewish tribes. Jews are genetically a mixture of different constituents, just like all nations are. For example regarding the haplogroup distribution among Ashkenazim males, according to Hammer 2009 we have:      

 

E1b1b1(Atlantian):  20%

J2(Helleno-Anatolian):  20%

J1/ J*(Semetic):  17%

R1a1a(Slabic):  12%

R1b1(Celtic):  11%

G(Caucasian):  7%

Q1(Siberian):  7%

 

64% is Neolithic, and 23% is Bronze-age Ind-European

 

I believe that if God was to assign the testimony work of salvation to any group of people this would be based on spiritual virtues.

[Zemke]

On 9/27/2021 at 8:28 PM, R. Hartono said:

The early church of apostles believed in Jesus already but they had not received Holy Spirit so Jesus commanded them to wait in Jerusalem for Holy Spirit baptism on that Pentecost day.

Paul and Peter met many believers who believe in Lord Jesus already but they didn't know about Holy Spirit baptism.

Holy Spirit brings the 9 gifts to build up the church, these are the gift of Glosolalia, Xenolalia, healing, interpreting Glosolalia, discerning spirits, etc. This gifts will be no more in the great tribulation as the church of wise virgins is taken to the Feast of the Lamb.

People who believe the 2 Witnesses and refuse the Mark of the beast will go into captivity or be killed as Rev 13:10 says, no more Holy Spirit Gifts to build up the church as there will be no more church.

John 20:22

And when he had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit"

Luke 24:45

"Then He opened their minds to understand the scriptures."

1John 2:20, 27

"But you have an anointing from the Holy One and you all know."

"And as for you, the anointing you received from him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."

Being born again is what abides in us, we receive the Holy Spirit at new birth. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost convicts the world of sin, empowers the church to be witnesses, and graces, or gifts the people of God to make disciples. 

The disciples had the Holy Spirit in the upper room as in the new birth, they understood the scriptures, but the church was not yet until the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. 

The reverse will happen, in a sense, the church proper will no longer function. The ship will come to trouble waters, and we will need to be good swimmers, so to speak. 

A cry came out at midnight, some had oil, and some did not. He comes like a thief in the night. We go into great tribulation and are rescued from the worse part, Gods Wrath.

"The sun will turn to darkness and the moon to blood before that great and glorious day come." Peter, Acts 2

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by Zemke

[R. Hartono]

On 2/12/2022 at 9:22 PM, Spiros said:

The only form of Christians that exists is spiritual Christians. You cannot be a Christian if you are not spiritualy a Christian. It doesn’t matter what your racial or ethnic background is. Hebrew is simply a language, the historical language of the Jewish people. Jesus mainly spoke Aramaic and Greek, not Hebrew. In this day in age it really makes no sense to scientifically talk about Jewish tribes. Jews are genetically a mixture of different constituents, just like all nations are. For example regarding the haplogroup distribution among Ashkenazim males, according to Hammer 2009 we have:      

 

 

E1b1b1(Atlantian):  20%

J2(Helleno-Anatolian):  20%

J1/ J*(Semetic):  17%

R1a1a(Slabic):  12%

R1b1(Celtic):  11%

G(Caucasian):  7%

Q1(Siberian):  7%

 

 

64% is Neolithic, and 23% is Bronze-age Ind-European

 

 

I believe that if God was to assign the testimony work of salvation to any group of people this would be based on spiritual virtues.

There's no Holy Spirit in the great tribulation and God return the mandate of salvation to the Hebrew at the fullness of gentiles. 

Cant you see its OT style angel's Sealing not Holy Spirit Sealing.

God knows where the remaining Hebrew are.

Such as this :

https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/07/07/six-members-of-lost-jewish-indian-tribe-join-same-idf-combat-unit/

Edited June 28, 2022 by R. Hartono

[Justin Adams]

The OP seems to be in error. Also, basing some deductions on a supposition is not good practise. There is much to be considered and little or none is explained here.

[R. Hartono]

10 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

The OP seems to be in error. Also, basing some deductions on a supposition is not good practise. There is much to be considered and little or none is explained here.

Wait for it to happen.

[Justin Adams]

On 6/29/2022 at 12:56 AM, R. Hartono said:

Wait for it to happen.

Be waiting until hell freezes over.

God is Omnipresent and Omniscient and a bunch of other things. He IS. The ONE that CAUSES to BE. YHWH is His everlasting name.

[Spiros]

There are a number of things we can look at when it comes with the 144,000. 

 

1) We divide by 100 and get the number 1,440.

Using the Heliopolis isopsephy geodetic(latitude) code we can convert this to a latitude value. All we have to do is take the square root and assign this to the degrees unit of angular measure.

 

1,440^(1/2) = 37.9473 => φ = 37.9473° (latitude)

 

Some places on the globe that align with this latitude:

 

Ephesus(as in Church of Ephesus) =37.9411°

mount Hymettus = 37.9467°

Piraeus = 37.943°

 

2) Another option is to search an isopsephy relation with 1,440.

 

ΟΡΟΣ ΚΙΘΑΙΡΩΝ(oros Cithaeron: mount Cithaeron) = ΟΡΟΣ ΚΥΡΙΟΥ(oros Kyriou: mountain of the Lord) = ΠΝΕΥΜΑ ΙΕΡΟΥΣΑΛΗΜ(pneuma Ierousalem: Jerusalem spirit) = 1,440

 

3) Another option is to look for a "new city" cube(see New Jerusalem cube methodology) having a width of  1,440,000 meters. This is the city Akhetaten or Amarna.

 

According to Wikipedia:

 

Quote

The city was established in 1346 BC, built at the direction of the Pharaoh Akhenaten.

..

As a pharaoh, Akhenaten is noted for abandoning Egypt's traditional polytheism and introducing Atenism, or worship centered around Aten. The views of Egyptologists differ as to whether the religious policy was absolutely monotheistic, or whether it was monolatry, syncretistic, or henotheistic.[

 

size of new city cube:

Aketaten Southern Pallace = 1,439,008 m
Aketaten Northern Pallace = 1,441,534 m

 

4) Another encoding seems to be derived from isopsephy.

In 1550 Stephanus New Testament we read:

"ρμδ χιλιαδες" (144 thousand)

In 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament we read:

"εκατον τεσσερακοντα τεσσαρες χιλιαδες" (one hundred and forty four thousand)

I like the 1550 Stephanus version but here it used the 3 letters rho mu delta to express the number 144. In the 1881 Westcott-Hort version I notice something strange. For 400 the epsilon is used after the double sigma. But for 40 the alpha letter is used after the double sigma. Anyway what I can "reconstruct" is this:

 

ΟΚΤΩ(eight) + ΟΚΤΩ(eight) + ΟΚΤΩ(eight) = ΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΕΣΣΑΡΑΚΟΝΤΑ ΤΕΣΣΑΡΣΙ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ = ΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΕΣΣΑΡΑΚΟΝΤΑ ΤΕΣΣΑΡΙΣ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ = 3570

 

At the time of Apostle John in Greek "four" was either written tessares or tesseres. In modern Greek the epsilon before the ending sigma is usually substituted with a iota letter. But if we move this iota to the end of the word we have the ancient Greek dative inflection of the word. 

 

We have a different case here:

 

ΔΩΔΕΚΑ ΦΥΛΕΣ ΥΙΩΝ ΙΣΡΑΗΛ(dodeca phyles yion Israel: twelve tribes of the children of Israel) = ΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΕΣΣΕΡΑΚΟΝΤΑ ΤΕΣΣΕΡΣΙ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ = ΕΚΑΤΟΝ ΤΕΣΣΕΡΑΚΟΝΤΑ ΤΕΣΣΕΡΙΣ ΧΙΛΙΑΔΕΣ = 3578

 

Here I have substituted the form tessara for 4 with tessera.

 

This is how I relate the 12 tribes of Israel with Hellas and Egypt. That is along with the aforementioned relation to Saint Demetrios.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Spiros

[TheBlade]

This is kinda old but whats written is He that holds the lawless one back is taken out of the way not out of this world. No where is it written there is no Holy Spirit or we would have quoted the verse. He's still here. I believe not like He is today. 

[iamlamad]

On 9/27/2021 at 2:23 AM, Faith-Not-Fear said:

I agree with you. I have always heard it taught that the Holy Spirit will be taken away with the rapture.

But here's a controversial question in which I have heard 2 answers and am confused about. Are only the 144,000 sealed? If so, does that mean that the tribulation saints will be hurt along with everyone else by the locusts in Revelation 9:1-11?

I believe everyone else will be stung.