Can Believers have Demons?

[angels4u]

5 minutes ago, Joshua-777 said:

Yes, there are many who think they are christian but not born again but, I have also come across many believers who came out of sinful lifestyles and they need deliverance. Unfortunately much of the church doesn't acknowledge it or deal with it. I went through six years of trying to find deliverance when I came out of the occult. I was a believer for those six years, born again but I was a mess.

Another deception I see coming in the church is a hypergrace that gives believers permission to live in sin, because of this many end up in bondage. If a believer chooses to live in sin, they are inviting demons into their lives.

I grew up in the United church and thought my whole life I was a Christian until I found the truth and that I needed Jesus as my personal Savior,when I was 29 years old and started reading the Bible it was by reading John 3:16 that God showed me that I have eternal by believing in Him and not out of tradition..my life has never been the same God changed me a lot and still is working on me

[Joshua-777]

9 minutes ago, angels4u said:

I grew up in the United church and thought my whole life I was a Christian until I found the truth and that I needed Jesus as my personal Savior,when I was 29 years old and started reading the Bible it was by reading John 3:16 that God showed me that I have eternal by believing in Him and not out of tradition..my life has never been the same God changed me a lot and still is working on me

Amen, praise the Lord!
 

Edited October 28, 2022 by Joshua-777

[OneLight]

1 hour ago, Joshua-777 said:

If we stick to the biblical language, possession is also under the blanket of oppression going by the way the word is used. We have been seeing a dramatic increase of deliverance in my church which has been causing me to dive deeper into scripture on this subject.

I can see in scripture, Oppression which means all who are attacked by the devil, torment which means vex with or harassed by a demon, and demonization/possession which means taken over by, or exercised by a demon, which is seen in the passage where the man was completely taken over by legion.

Being possessed is being under the power of (Matthew 8:28).  Oppressed is being influenced by (Acts 10:38).  The two are a world apart.  One has to allow the demonic to have control over them and the saved would never do that.  The unsaved, yes, but not the saved.

[angels4u]

11 hours ago, Joshua-777 said:

As I said earlier, believers can have demons torment them, they can have them afflict their physical bodies as well as their souls and when they get delivered they often cough, scream and have the demon speak through them.

Ususally, full on demonization/possession like we see with Legion isn't with believers. But, if someone demonized accepts Jesus in their heart, that demon needs cast out. It doesn't just go.

1 John 5:18 —

18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

1 Peter 1:5 —

5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.Rev 3:20

You really think the enemy and God will dine together within the same person,,to bring people to the Lord is the most important job Jesus told us to be fishers of men.

Nowhere is there a clear example in the Bible where a demon ever inhabited or invaded a true believer. Not ones in the N.T. books are believers warned about the possibility of being inhabited by demons.

[kwikphilly]

On 10/26/2022 at 12:51 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Agreed...believers can have demonic strongholds in their life that requires deliverance in many cases.  There are many believers that are in bondage to demonic addictions such as: pornography, sexual additions, drugs, alcoholism, etc...    I believe when someone truly believes they are set free at the moment, but over time they open doors to allow these demonic strongholds back into their life and are bound again by the enemy and these strongholds become even more stronger than before they were set free.

"When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. "Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds [it] empty, swept, and put in order. "Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last [state] of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation." - Mat 12:43-45 

  Sadly there are many Believers,Born Again Believers that do not understand the difference between a foothold,stronghold,oppression & possessions- many of whom are themselves bound and do not even recognize..... So why is this? Well,that's one of the enemy's greatest accomplishments - to remain unnoticed!

Instead we have a " sit on the fence" mentality - Believing God's Truth partially and partially man's FACTS.....For example " depression",science can explain exactly what happens - physiologically.    The body does xxx and the emotional response is xxx- it is a real physical disorder & so let's name it" Chronic depressive disorder"

Sorry guys,that's hogwash.....There is no need for a Born Again Believer to be depressed,that is correct - I did say " need".   In the same way there is no need for a Born Again Believer to accept any physical,mental or emotional desease or disorder! And having been afflicted with cancer 3 times ,I believe,qualifies me in saying so.

How do my cells mutate from a normal healthy cell into a cancerous cells- does God Do that? Certainly NOT! However,He Allowed it for whatever His Reason - He Allowed the enemy to attack my cells-. does that mean I was " possessed" - of course not but those fiery darts hit the only vulnerable area they could,my flesh .

I understand this is very complex and hard for some to accept & understand or rationalize in a finite mind but spiritual warfare is ongoing and more real than even the physical realm we are living in....

Why are some Delivered & others not? Well,do we have a unified Body of Believers in one Accord where the elders lay hands & the Power of Holy Spirit is Given Complete Control to Do What He Can Do? Errr,not to my knowledge!

Read the Scriptures,was anyone mentally unsound,depressed,emotionally unstable or did Saul suffer at the hands of a spirit of meloncoly? Did the child throw himself in the fire( today what would they label the child?) and so on.....the only difference between the time the Scriptures we're Written ,& now is that God's Word Calls something what it is..... " spirit of fear"

Jesus ,Healer of ALL manner of sickness & disease - first we must Believe,second we must Trust God Completely.... And finally we must understand we are IN a world that is fallen,even our physical bodies are corruptable- but not our spirit.....so the enemy attacks what he is able to,he cannot touch our spirit

Our bodies are also God's Property,how many of us believe that when we are ravaged with pain? Listen,when & if I ever learn how to be " attack proof" I will let y'all know ,lol.   For now at least understand that you,we,everyone is susceptible to foothold,strongholds & oppression

I went a bit left on this one& got long winded but the simple answer is" Yes,and ya better believe it"

With love in Christ, Kwik

[Joshua-777]

5 hours ago, angels4u said:

1 John 5:18 —

18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them.

1 Peter 1:5 —

5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.Rev 3:20

You really think the enemy and God will dine together within the same person,,to bring people to the Lord is the most important job Jesus told us to be fishers of men.

Nowhere is there a clear example in the Bible where a demon ever inhabited or invaded a true believer. Not ones in the N.T. books are believers warned about the possibility of being inhabited by demons.

Who you are born again isn't a sinner, who you are born if God is a new creation, created in God in true righteousness and holiness (Eph 4:24, 2 Cor 5:17). Therefore, we should make no provision for the flesh and put off our former conduct. The bible warns about not having fellowship with demons, nor give place to the devil. (1 Cor 10:20, Eph 4:27) A believer could choose to sin.

There is no clear example of a believer, but they also cast out demons (Took authority and commanded demons to go). You have articles of Paul's clothing casting out demons(Acts 19:12), but today it is not a common practice, therefore demons don't get dealt with and they don't magically go away.

Here is a very interesting passage, this slave girl was declaring that Paul was from God and that Jesus was the way to salvation for many days, but something was off. Paul cast it out and it left her.

Acts 16:16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” 18 And this she did for many days.

But Paul, greatly [d]annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour.

Today, many like this need deliverance.

 

[angels4u]

10 minutes ago, Joshua-777 said:

Who you are born again isn't a sinner, who you are born if God is a new creation, created in God in true righteousness and holiness (Eph 4:24, 2 Cor 5:17). Therefore, we should make no provision for the flesh and put off our former conduct. The bible warns about not having fellowship with demons, nor give place to the devil. (1 Cor 10:20, Eph 4:27) A believer could choose to sin.

There is no clear example of a believer, but they also cast out demons (Took authority and commanded demons to go). You have articles of Paul's clothing casting out demons(Acts 19:12), but today it is not a common practice, therefore demons don't get dealt with and they don't magically go away.

Here is a very interesting passage, this slave girl was declaring that Paul was from God and that Jesus was the way to salvation for many days, but something was off. Paul cast it out and it left her.

Acts 16:16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, “These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation.” 18 And this she did for many days.

But Paul, greatly [d]annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And he came out that very hour.

Today, many like this need deliverance.

 

Where did it say that any of those people were born again? I didn't read it anywhere? People could only be filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to be set free when they accepted Jesus as their Savior,He washed them white as snow..

[Jedi4Yahweh]

55 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

  Sadly there are many Believers,Born Again Believers that do not understand the difference between a foothold,stronghold,oppression & possessions- many of whom are themselves bound and do not even recognize..... So why is this? Well,that's one of the enemy's greatest accomplishments - to remain unnoticed!

Instead we have a " sit on the fence" mentality - Believing God's Truth partially and partially man's FACTS.....For example " depression",science can explain exactly what happens - physiologically.    The body does xxx and the emotional response is xxx- it is a real physical disorder & so let's name it" Chronic depressive disorder"

Sorry guys,that's hogwash.....There is no need for a Born Again Believer to be depressed,that is correct - I did say " need".   In the same way there is no need for a Born Again Believer to accept any physical,mental or emotional desease or disorder! And having been afflicted with cancer 3 times ,I believe,qualifies me in saying so.

How do my cells mutate from a normal healthy cell into a cancerous cells- does God Do that? Certainly NOT! However,He Allowed it for whatever His Reason - He Allowed the enemy to attack my cells-. does that mean I was " possessed" - of course not but those fiery darts hit the only vulnerable area they could,my flesh .

I understand this is very complex and hard for some to accept & understand or rationalize in a finite mind but spiritual warfare is ongoing and more real than even the physical realm we are living in....

Why are some Delivered & others not? Well,do we have a unified Body of Believers in one Accord where the elders lay hands & the Power of Holy Spirit is Given Complete Control to Do What He Can Do? Errr,not to my knowledge!

Read the Scriptures,was anyone mentally unsound,depressed,emotionally unstable or did Saul suffer at the hands of a spirit of meloncoly? Did the child throw himself in the fire( today what would they label the child?) and so on.....the only difference between the time the Scriptures we're Written ,& now is that God's Word Calls something what it is..... " spirit of fear"

Jesus ,Healer of ALL manner of sickness & disease - first we must Believe,second we must Trust God Completely.... And finally we must understand we are IN a world that is fallen,even our physical bodies are corruptable- but not our spirit.....so the enemy attacks what he is able to,he cannot touch our spirit

Our bodies are also God's Property,how many of us believe that when we are ravaged with pain? Listen,when & if I ever learn how to be " attack proof" I will let y'all know ,lol.   For now at least understand that you,we,everyone is susceptible to foothold,strongholds & oppression

I went a bit left on this one& got long winded but the simple answer is" Yes,and ya better believe it"

With love in Christ, Kwik

I agree with much of what you said.  The argument boils down to possession or oppression.  I don't believe a truly born again  can have a demonic demon living in their spirit along side the Holy Spirit, but I do believe Christians can have a demonic spirit(s) attached to their the soul and flesh.  Our bodies are the temple of God.  The temple had three parts (Holy of Holies = Heart, Holy Place= Soul, and the Outer Courts = Flesh).  God showed Ezekiel how Israel had set up evil idols inside the court of the Temple and Holy Place, but no mention of Idols in the Holy of Holies.  

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? - 1Co 6:19 KJV

So wither a Christian has a demon in their spirit, soul, or flesh, it still means they have a demon that needs to be dealt with, because God will not abide permanently in a temple that serves evil/sin.  Just like he eventually left the Temple because Israel's refusal to repent and remove their idols from the Temple.

Edited October 28, 2022 by Jedi4Yahweh

[Joshua-777]

46 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Where did it say that any of those people were born again? I didn't read it anywhere? People could only be filled with the Holy Spirit at Pentecost to be set free when they accepted Jesus as their Savior,He washed them white as snow..

The multitudes in the book of acts does not say if they were believers or not, but they did have some sort of faith in Jesus to come to the apostles to get free.

If they cast out demons through out the Gospels, through out the book of Acts, it shows that demons don't just leave. They need cast out. When the church neglects this practice, people remain tormented by demons even though they are believers.

For example, recently a man with tourette's came to one of our meetings. He is a believer, loves Jesus but had tourettes for 30 years and had a lot of emotional trauma that happened. He came to one of our meetings and a demon was cast out of him and he has now been two months with no Tourettes.

A lady came to our church, she went to a lot of different churches saying, I think I have a demon because she would be overwhelmed with rejection, intense depression, demonic dreams, etc. The pastor told her she couldn''t have a demon. She came to our church and started growling and screaming and got set free from demons. Now she is one of the most onfire people you can meet for Jesus.

Me personally, I was tormented with demonic dreams, suicidal thoughts, intensified temptation and addiction, I couldn't break free but I had the Holy Spirit, I loved Jesus and I knew freedom was only in Jesus. I got delivered from a demon 13 years ago and instantly addiction was broke off my life, lust, the depression, suicidal thoughts, and I was set free and filled with the fire of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

Right now, we have a younger generation that is being motivated to embrace witchcraft, homosexuality, gender confusion, and every thing that opens a door for demons to come in. As they come to Jesus, we need to be able to help them get set free and not assume they are because they said the prayer.

 

 

Check out this testimony I was sent from our last event from a girl who was struggling with demons and came to get set free.

Edited October 28, 2022 by Joshua-777

[Starise]

I haven't had the experiences @Joshua-777 has had , but as a believer I have felt oppressed probably by the same spirits that have plagued me since I was very young.

I believe that when the other side sees where we are weak, they will focus on that area. Please pray they will stay off my back because I go to a church that doesn't do that sort of thing. They WILL also jump to family member if they can't get to you. All of a sudden a  person who is kind and loving can become negative and accusatory.

So I have no doubt they are out there doing whatever damage they can. I believe they contributed to the demise of my 1st marriage in a big way. There were things happening at that house that were odd. One night I heard footsteps outside in the snow as it was winter then. The next morning there were no foot prints. My son claims to have seen a boney hand around the knob of my stair case one night. One Easter my ex  wife claims to have seen a man in an easter bunny costume going through her purse. My doors and windows were all locked at the time so if it was a man he would have had a key. I have heard voices in the night that sounded like my wife calling me and she was fast asleep. At one time our doorbell was ringing in the middle of the night with no one around. I believe most of this is demonic.

I have seen your videos here a few times @Joshua-777 and you seem to be called to deliverance as a ministry. I would only advise that while mingling in all of that evil none of it attaches to or rubs off on you. You are messing with the devil's work and the devil doesn't like that.