MELCHIZEDEK ( who was he?)

[other one]

Well I have given this a lot of thought since it was OP'ed.   I do believe that after a lot of thought, reading both the Bible and other resources that Melchizedek was one of the Watchers that did not go bad as most of the others did.

[Alive]

The scriptures are silent on many things. I do think he was a man and was meant to be a type of Christ as a priest mediator and king.

From Noah onward God was spoken of and truths passed down with many individuals loyal to and wishing to serve Him. It makes sense that GOD Provided men to help the faithful as mediators of sorts through the centuries. The scriptural record leaves much out according to God’s will. I suspect there were many such men.

[missmuffet]

Most of the opinions are just that....an opinon. 

Who was Melchizedek?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

Melchizedek, whose name means “king of righteousness,” was a king of Salem (Jerusalem) and priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18–20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6–11; 6:20—7:28). Melchizedek’s sudden appearance and disappearance in the book of Genesis is somewhat mysterious. Melchizedek and Abraham first met after Abraham’s defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18–20).

Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. By this act Abraham indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than he.

In Psalm 110, a messianic psalm written by David (Matthew 22:43), Melchizedek is presented as a type of Christ. This theme is repeated in the book of Hebrews, where both Melchizedek and Christ are considered kings of righteousness and peace. By citing Melchizedek and his unique priesthood as a type, the writer shows that Christ’s new priesthood is superior to the old levitical order and the priesthood of Aaron (Hebrews 7:1–10).

Some propose that Melchizedek was actually a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ, or a Christophany. This is a possible theory, given that Abraham had received such a visit before. Consider Genesis 17 where Abraham saw and spoke with the Lord (El Shaddai) in the form of a man.

Hebrews 6:20 says, “[Jesus] has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” This term order would ordinarily indicate a succession of priests holding the office. None are ever mentioned, however, in the long interval from Melchizedek to Christ, an anomaly that can be solved by assuming that Melchizedek and Christ are really the same person. Thus the “order” is eternally vested in Him and Him alone.

Hebrews 7:3 says that Melchizedek was “without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.” The question is whether the author of Hebrews means this actually or figuratively.

If the description in Hebrews is literal, then it is indeed difficult to see how it could be properly applied to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ. No mere earthly king “remains a priest forever,” and no mere human is “without father or mother.” If Genesis 14 describes a theophany, then God the Son came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:17–19), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (1 Timothy 2:5).

If the description of Melchizedek is figurative, then the details of having no genealogy, no beginning or ending, and a ceaseless ministry are simply statements accentuating the mysterious nature of the person who met Abraham. In this case, the silence in the Genesis account concerning these details is purposeful and better serves to link Melchizedek with Christ.

Are Melchizedek and Jesus the same person? A case can be made either way. At the very least, Melchizedek is a type of Christ, prefiguring the Lord’s ministry. But it is also possible that Abraham, after his weary battle, met and gave honor to the Lord Jesus Himself.

Edited June 26, 2022 by missmuffet

[Selah7]

I believe Melchizedek IS the LORD Himself who came down as the Son of God:

For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him, to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated "king of righteousness," and then also king of Salem, meaning "King of peace," without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.

- Hebrews 7:1-3 

For He testifies: "You are a Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek."

- Hebrews 7:17

It is Almighty God Himself that testifies that Jesus Christ is a Priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.  This comes from …

Psalm 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

…selah

Edited June 26, 2022 by Selah7
adding scripture

[Selah7]

On 11/27/2021 at 2:28 AM, Justin Adams said:

Mel is a man. God ordained his standing and made no comment about his lineage since that was always a problem. Mel is God's chosen person for a distinct and Godly reason. Mel is not divine.

I don’t agree.     …selah 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Most of the opinions are just that....an opinon. 

Who was Melchizedek?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

Melchizedek, whose name means “king of righteousness,” was a king of Salem (Jerusalem) and priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14:18–20; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6–11; 6:20—7:28). Melchizedek’s sudden appearance and disappearance in the book of Genesis is somewhat mysterious. Melchizedek and Abraham first met after Abraham’s defeat of Chedorlaomer and his three allies. Melchizedek presented bread and wine to Abraham and his weary men, demonstrating friendship. He bestowed a blessing on Abraham in the name of El Elyon (“God Most High”) and praised God for giving Abraham a victory in battle (Genesis 14:18–20).

Abraham presented Melchizedek with a tithe (a tenth) of all the items he had gathered. By this act Abraham indicated that he recognized Melchizedek as a priest who ranked higher spiritually than he.

In Psalm 110, a messianic psalm written by David (Matthew 22:43), Melchizedek is presented as a type of Christ. This theme is repeated in the book of Hebrews, where both Melchizedek and Christ are considered kings of righteousness and peace. By citing Melchizedek and his unique priesthood as a type, the writer shows that Christ’s new priesthood is superior to the old levitical order and the priesthood of Aaron (Hebrews 7:1–10).

Some propose that Melchizedek was actually a pre-incarnate appearance of Jesus Christ, or a Christophany. This is a possible theory, given that Abraham had received such a visit before. Consider Genesis 17 where Abraham saw and spoke with the Lord (El Shaddai) in the form of a man.

Hebrews 6:20 says, “[Jesus] has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.” This term order would ordinarily indicate a succession of priests holding the office. None are ever mentioned, however, in the long interval from Melchizedek to Christ, an anomaly that can be solved by assuming that Melchizedek and Christ are really the same person. Thus the “order” is eternally vested in Him and Him alone.

Hebrews 7:3 says that Melchizedek was “without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.” The question is whether the author of Hebrews means this actually or figuratively.

If the description in Hebrews is literal, then it is indeed difficult to see how it could be properly applied to anyone but the Lord Jesus Christ. No mere earthly king “remains a priest forever,” and no mere human is “without father or mother.” If Genesis 14 describes a theophany, then God the Son came to give Abraham His blessing (Genesis 14:17–19), appearing as the King of Righteousness (Revelation 19:11,16), the King of Peace (Isaiah 9:6), and the Mediator between God and Man (1 Timothy 2:5).

If the description of Melchizedek is figurative, then the details of having no genealogy, no beginning or ending, and a ceaseless ministry are simply statements accentuating the mysterious nature of the person who met Abraham. In this case, the silence in the Genesis account concerning these details is purposeful and better serves to link Melchizedek with Christ.

Are Melchizedek and Jesus the same person? A case can be made either way. At the very least, Melchizedek is a type of Christ, prefiguring the Lord’s ministry. But it is also possible that Abraham, after his weary battle, met and gave honor to the Lord Jesus Himself.

There only three verses in the book of Genesis about Melhisedec. V.18,19,20.

Perhaps you should read the text and pay attention what it says. 

V.17 King of Sodom meets Abraham. In v.18 King of Salem brings to Abraham bread and wine. 

(We are not informed of the quantity but it should be enough for the men who went to war with Abraham). 

In v.18 we are informed that Melhisedec was the king of Salem and a priest of the most High God.

In v.19 we are informed that Melhisedec believed in the same God as Abraham, and there is something else He knew things about Abraham, that God was protecting him.

And he also knew that God Almighty had given the victory to Abraham, because he called him most High God...and this is it, it would be impossible for Abraham to loose the war...

Then in v. 20 Abraham gave him part of the spoils...

He game him part of the loot.

Of the spoils of the war...

In the following verses we read that Abraham had confederates who went to war with him. And he had also his own men from his own household who went to war with him. 

As it was the custom the spoils are decided amongst those who fought the war. 

Abraham did not take any of the spoils for himself, but only the men who went to war with him took their part and King of Sodom took back the goods that the other kings took from him when they took Sodom, and he God back all the people who were taken CAPTIVES...

So Abraham gave nothing from his own property or wealth to Melhisedec...

He gave a part from the spoils to Melhisedec, we do not know how much, but it was customary to give a Confederate a portion of the spoils even if they did not went to war..because Abraham hurry up to run to saved Lot...he run after their captors before the reached their fortified cities...

We may say that according to the agreement Abraham had with Melhisedec, he had to give Melhisedec his portion according to their agreement.  

Not because he blessed Abraham, because Abraham did not need his blessing, he had the God Almighty, the Most High God, as his blessing, as his shield and his great reward....

Those are the facts....the only facts in Genesis. 

 

^****17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley).

genesis 14:18-20.

¹⁸ Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, ¹⁹ and he blessed Abram, saying,

“Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
    Creator of heaven and earth.
²⁰ And praise be to God Most High,
    who delivered your enemies into your hand.”

Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

 

[other one]

do a youtube search "Naked Bible Podcast 166–168, 170 — Melchizedek (Full Version)"

[HAZARD]

7 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I don’t agree.     …selah 

Ok, You say your Interests:Rightly dividing the Word of God,

Check out all these scriptures.

Melchizedek was an ordinary man. He is called a man in Hebrews 7:4. He had a "descent" or genealogy but it was not counted (Hebrews 7:6). He was an ordinary man who lived in the days of Abraham, as plainly taught in Gen. 14:17-24; and Hebrews 7:1-11. He was without recorded father or mother, beginning  of days  and end of life, so that he could be a type of Christ Who really had no beginning or end of days and Who was to be a priest after his order forever (Hebrews 6:20). 

[Justin Adams]

8 hours ago, Selah7 said:

I don’t agree.     …selah 

Read what OO says...

[Your closest friendnt]

28 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Ok, You say your Interests:Rightly dividing the Word of God,

Check out all these scriptures.

Melchizedek was an ordinary man. He is called a man in Hebrews 7:4. He had a "descent" or genealogy but it was not counted (Hebrews 7:6). He was an ordinary man who lived in the days of Abraham, as plainly taught in Gen. 14:17-24; and Hebrews 7:1-11. He was without recorded father or mother, beginning  of days  and end of life, so that he could be a type of Christ Who really had no beginning or end of days and Who was to be a priest after his order forever (Hebrews 6:20). 

Hello @HAZARD

This is how I understand about what his order was...or in the order of Melhisedec. 

Melhisedec was not from the order of Aaron as in the book of Leviticus...(that we can understand because he lived long time before Aaron the first High Priest, the Patriarch of the High Priests. 

But this is not about being a High Preist but about being a Priest...

Melhisedec was a Priest and was not a Levite...we understand that because he was not a descendant of Levi...he was a contemporary to Abraham before Abraham had any children at all. 

The promised Priest in the book of Psalms like Melhisedec he had to be a King.

We only can have Priests and never Priests from the tribe of Levi, so the promised Priest in the order of Melhisedec a King cannot be from the tribe of Levi.

Only the Priests who were Levites could be allowed to ministered in the Temple, so the promised Priest cannot ministered in the Temple...

And Like Melhisedec who was also a Priest his ministry is not in the Temple in Jerusalem...

The ministry in the Temple was towards the Lord God Almighty, the other party to the Covenant of Sinai. 

The promised Priest's ministry it cannot be towards the Lord God Almighty because the Lord God can only be accessible through the veil to the Most Holy Place and it can only be done from a High Priest a descendant from Aaron...

This honor was given to Aaron and to his successors from his family...and it can be done The yearly Atonement only by entering the Most Holy Place because the Arc of the Covenant with the cherubim was their and the Altar was also in the Most Holy Place...

The pretense of the Lord will rest between the cherubim. 

So the High Priest had to do his ministry infront of the Lord, and that was the only place that it could be done.

This is now what we are being faced with. 

The promise Priest of the order of Melhisedec has to be a King and a Priest like Melhisedec and he cannot do his ministry in the Temple in Jerusalem and there is only one Temple...just one earthly Temple...which was located amongst the Nation of God. And in the promise Land, the Land of the Lord God...

The Land of Canaan was the Lord's Land and he decided to his people he gave it to Abraham and his descendants, that's why they never bye it, the Lord distributed the Land to them...

So the Temple, his Temple was build in the Land where his Nation lived according to his Promise to Abraham...

So what about the promise Priest where he is going to do his ministry and before whom....because he cannot have access to the Most Holy Place and for that matter he cannot stand before the Lord God of the Temple...

And what was the offering he is bringing with him, and to whom he is going to offer it..

One more thing the High Priest had to make an Atonement for himself before he enter the Most Holy Place...and how about the promise Priest?

And his ministry was only about the descendants of the house of Israel-Jacob...

And how about the ministry of the promise King-Priest...whom his ministry will include? 

We know the answers to those questions because we have Hebrews to read. 

The other thing it is that he is going to be a High Priest forever and for that to happen he had to die first and he had to offered his blood as the blood of the forgivenes of the sins for the whole world and he had to do the offering in a symbolic description in the Heavenly Temple infront of the Heavenly Father,  and without having to offer an Atonement for him self. 

So the Promise King-Priest had to be the Son of God and the promise Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world and he must inherit the Heaven as his Inheritance for him and his people...and he must cover perpetually with his blood..

He must bring the Heavenly Inheritance to Man and access to the Heavenly Father, he must open the way to the Heavenly Father...

And have descendants from his Attonic blood and from his Spirit...his descendants are identified from the blood of the Lamb of God sprinkle in their heart.