What is the 'New Covenant'?

[Alive]

God’s view of the Cross, Resurection and Ascension and its efficacy is not limited by our timeline.

Favor for the elect from Able forward is by Grace. For our sake, the unveiling of Grace and Truth has been progressive. A bit here and a bit there…and then what we were given since Pentecost.

A marvelous tapestry.

Grace through faith.

[DeighAnn]

5 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 

Thank you for your reply. I have joined two postings together as their main point is the same - whether Israel embraced the king and the Kingdom of Heaven, or whether they did not repent, accused the King of being a servant of Beelzebub and murdered Him. This is what scripture says. These are men both of Jerusalem and the diaspora, which always came to Jerusalem at the three Feasts. The Holy Spirit inspired Peter to say, and Luke to record, that God saw them as ISRAEL

Acts 2:22-23 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: 23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, YE have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

But I think you have established for yourself. You gave the example of the Canaanite woman. Our Lord Jesus said that He had come for the lost Tribes of Israel. His presence in Galilee and Judea was for Israel - as you, and scripture says. That they were a generation of vipers is not disputed. But God called them Israel.

But perhaps the best proof that the Pharisees were Israel is found in the very verses where they lost the kingdom. It says in Matthew 21:43-45;

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

Imposters cannot lose what they did not have claim to. The Pharisees were eligible for the Kingdom and had it ripped away from them.

If in those verses you find the truth of the situation, then there it is for you.  
Once again, I Thank you for the reply.  I think we could go back and forth for a while and nothing new would be brought to light at this time, so let us both go in peace.  
 

[Willa]

Jesus did call those who rejected Him sons of Beelzebub.  However, he has always had a remnant.  Remember that the first church consisted of Jews, including the 12 apostles and Paul, and all who were saved at Pentecost.    Not all of Israel was condemned.  That is why we pray for Israel today that their eyes and hearts  might be opened to the love of their Savior.  

[AdHoc]

7 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

If in those verses you find the truth of the situation, then there it is for you.  
Once again, I Thank you for the reply.  I think we could go back and forth for a while and nothing new would be brought to light at this time, so let us both go in peace.  
 

What a mature proposal. Thank you. I think the Forum was used as it should be - to swap ideas and let others judge - and perhaps learn.

God bless

[AdHoc]

12 hours ago, Alive said:

God’s view of the Cross, Resurection and Ascension and its efficacy is not limited by our timeline.

Favor for the elect from Able forward is by Grace. For our sake, the unveiling of Grace and Truth has been progressive. A bit here and a bit there…and then what we were given since Pentecost.

A marvelous tapestry.

Grace through faith.

Correct. The mercy of God is all-encompassing. But the Price was high. God's primary attribute is righteousness. This righteousness had to be satisfied before He could extend mercy and grace. Our Lord Jesus died for the sin (singular) of the world (Jn.1:29) giving God the right to resurrected all men (for sin (singular) has, as ts wages, death. Our Lord also died for the "sins" (or trespasses - plural) of the world (1st Jn.2:2). This entitles God, judicially, to forgive who He wants to. Then He sets the conditions for receiving grace/mercy

1. Faith in Jesus and His Work

2. If faith is missing, God will forgive if he promised that in a Covenant - as it is with Israel

3. If both faith and Promise are missing, God reserves the right to set a standard of works. You will notice that all judgments in the bible are about works. In Isaiah 66:24 the governing principle is anybody who actively went against God will face the Lake of Fire. The "goat" of Matthew 25 struck a blow at God by refusing to help "the least of His brethren", and so ends in the Lake of Fire. But the Mongolian shepherd boy who tended sheep in the desert and was slain by Genghis Khan at age 15, may have no record of any activity against God. And for sure, the millions of babies, who have been slaughtered by aborting doctors with the consent of their mothers, will be found with no works to condemn them. But I don't want to be the doctors or the mothers ... 

God is just and merciful - and He knows all the facts. I'm glad that He is the Judge. He is in the position to make a perfect assessment and has the power to execute any decision.

[Anne2]

On 2/1/2022 at 6:34 PM, other one said:

then why did he break the fourth?

without blame at that. Interestingly, Jesus asked similarly the rulers how  David and his army with him ate of the shewbread without guilt which was unlawful for anyone to eat but the priests.

[MrBear]

18 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

without blame at that. Interestingly, Jesus asked similarly the rulers how  David and his army with him ate of the shewbread without guilt which was unlawful for anyone to eat but the priests.

David and his men were starving the greater good supersedes ritual law, Jesus would say the Sabbath was made for man , not man for the sabbath.. same reason he would say if your animal falls in a hole on the sabbath would you not try to save it even on the sabbath? When he would heal on the sabbath.. the greater good always supersedes ‘comfort or ritual law’ the showbread was a ritual, the sabbath was a gift 🎁  by God a day of rest since the Israelites knew no days of rest while being enslaved by pharaoh 

Edited February 7, 2022 by MrBear

[Anne2]

51 minutes ago, MrBear said:

David and his men were starving the greater good supersedes ritual law, Jesus would say the Sabbath was made for man , not man for the sabbath.. same reason he would say if your animal falls in a hole on the sabbath would you not try to save it even on the sabbath? When he would heal on the sabbath.. the greater good always supersedes ‘comfort or ritual law’ the showbread was a ritual, the sabbath was a gift 🎁  by God a day of rest since the Israelites knew no days of rest while being enslaved by pharaoh 

Mt 11:1   At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2  But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3  But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4  How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5  Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6  But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7  But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
 

The loaves (bread of presence) set on the table was holy for the priests. It was brought in every Sabbath.

Luke 6:1  At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2  But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3  But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4  How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5  Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6  But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7  But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
 

[MrBear]

I think you quoted the wrong person, but you unpacked it with the right verses, I’m not disputing your comment I’m enforcing it GOD doesn’t need showbread, he doesn’t need people to do works, we aren’t saved by our works we are saved by our faith, doing works is a reflection of our obedience to the Father, But doing the greater good will always trump works, the works are the aftereffects of our devotion

Like baptism, you don’t need baptism to be saved ( the thief on the cross, the man in the hospital bed that confesses his belief in God just before death), the act of baptism is our way of showing God our devotion to die and resurrect with Jesus through baptism is works, same as keeping sabbath or not eating showbread.

But the greater good is superior to works ❤️

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, MrBear said:

I think you quoted the wrong person, but you unpacked it with the right verses, I’m not disputing your comment I’m enforcing it GOD doesn’t need showbread, he doesn’t need people to do works, we aren’t saved by our works we are saved by our faith, doing works is a reflection of our obedience to the Father, But doing the greater good will always trump works, the works are the aftereffects of our devotion

Like baptism, you don’t need baptism to be saved ( the thief on the cross, the man in the hospital bed that confesses his belief in God just before death), the act of baptism is our way of showing God our devotion to die and resurrect with Jesus through baptism is works, same as keeping sabbath or not eating showbread.

But the greater good is superior to works ❤️

The new covenant is superior. The promises of which it based are also superior. David was not starving, nor was Christ and his apostles. I agree with you we are not saved by works. I disagree with keeping mosaic law as a sacrament of the Church.

Edited February 8, 2022 by Anne2