Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, angels4u said:

While we were driving this morning we listened to the podcast from Jack and what was he talking about ? Jonah and repentance, see how God works in His  ways? We talked about it yesterday and today I heard Jack explain it again:)

Jack Hibbs?

[Dennis1209]

4 hours ago, George said:

I have a study on the Jonah as a type of the Resurrection.  

I got it now, this part threw me off.

"Just as Jonah "died" and was "resurrected" so this was a sign of the resurrection.  Jonah should have died -- yet he didn't! "

[JohnD]

On 4/20/2022 at 12:07 PM, George said:

Shalom everyone,

I thought I'd share a piece of Scripture the Lord showed me recently that really helped me understand predestination and foreknowledge ... or at least give me a better understanding.

1Sa 23:1  Now they told David, “Behold, the Philistines are fighting against Keilah and are robbing the threshing floors.” 

1Sa 23:2  Therefore David inquired of the LORD, “Shall I go and attack these Philistines?” And the LORD said to David, “Go and attack the Philistines and save Keilah.” 

1Sa 23:3  But David's men said to him, “Behold, we are afraid here in Judah; how much more then if we go to Keilah against the armies of the Philistines?” 

1Sa 23:4  Then David inquired of the LORD again. And the LORD answered him, “Arise, go down to Keilah, for I will give the Philistines into your hand.” 

1Sa 23:5  And David and his men went to Keilah and fought with the Philistines and brought away their livestock and struck them with a great blow. So David saved the inhabitants of Keilah. 

So David goes after getting confirmation from the Lord to destroy the Palestinians in Keilah.  Let's continue the story ...

1Sa 23:6  When Abiathar the son of Ahimelech had fled to David to Keilah, he had come down with an ephod in his hand. 

1Sa 23:7  Now it was told Saul that David had come to Keilah. And Saul said, “God has given him into my hand, for he has shut himself in by entering a town that has gates and bars.” 

1Sa 23:8  And Saul summoned all the people to war, to go down to Keilah, to besiege David and his men. 

1Sa 23:9  David knew that Saul was plotting harm against him. And he said to Abiathar the priest, “Bring the ephod here.” 

1Sa 23:10  Then David said, “O LORD, the God of Israel, your servant has surely heard that Saul seeks to come to Keilah, to destroy the city on my account. 

1Sa 23:11  Will the men of Keilah surrender me into his hand? Will Saul come down, as your servant has heard? O LORD, the God of Israel, please tell your servant.” And the LORD said, “He will come down.” 

1Sa 23:12  Then David said, “Will the men of Keilah surrender me and my men into the hand of Saul?” And the LORD said, “They will surrender you.” 

1Sa 23:13  Then David and his men, who were about six hundred, arose and departed from Keilah, and they went wherever they could go. When Saul was told that David had escaped from Keilah, he gave up the expedition. 

Now think about it ... this passage clearly shows that divine foreknowledge that God had was used by David ... and also shows that foreknowledge did not necessitate predestination.

God foreknew what Saul and the leaders of Keilah would do, however this did NOT happen!  Basically, God saw the possibility of what would take place, but this foreknowledge did not predestinate the outcome.

Basically this passage revealed to me ... that predestination and foreknowledge are indeed different.

I thought I'd throw that out there ... as a talking point!  

What do you all think?

Predestination is a thing that can be altered / changed.

John 3:18 (AV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:16 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Foreknowledge is the Lord's knowledge of whosoever will be before the world was. 

 

Edited April 21, 2022 by JohnD

[George]

57 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

I got it now, this part threw me off.

"Just as Jonah "died" and was "resurrected" so this was a sign of the resurrection.  Jonah should have died -- yet he didn't! "

Let's talk about it in the other thread.   

[MrBear]

 

Joshua 24:15

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

[Michael37]

On 4/21/2022 at 5:07 AM, George said:

Shalom everyone,

I thought I'd share a piece of Scripture the Lord showed me recently that really helped me understand predestination and foreknowledge ... or at least give me a better understanding.

1Sa 23:1  Now they told David, “Behold, the Philistines are fighting against Keilah and are robbing the threshing floors.” 

1Sa 23:2  Therefore David inquired of the LORD, “Shall I go and attack these Philistines?” And the LORD said to David, “Go and attack the Philistines and save Keilah.” 

1Sa 23:3  But David's men said to him, “Behold, we are afraid here in Judah; how much more then if we go to Keilah against the armies of the Philistines?” 

1Sa 23:4  Then David inquired of the LORD again. And the LORD answered him, “Arise, go down to Keilah, for I will give the Philistines into your hand.” 

1Sa 23:5  And David and his men went to Keilah and fought with the Philistines and brought away their livestock and struck them with a great blow. So David saved the inhabitants of Keilah. 

So David goes after getting confirmation from the Lord to destroy the Palestinians in Keilah.  Let's continue the story ...

1Sa 23:6  When Abiathar the son of Ahimelech had fled to David to Keilah, he had come down with an ephod in his hand. 

1Sa 23:7  Now it was told Saul that David had come to Keilah. And Saul said, “God has given him into my hand, for he has shut himself in by entering a town that has gates and bars.” 

1Sa 23:8  And Saul summoned all the people to war, to go down to Keilah, to besiege David and his men. 

1Sa 23:9  David knew that Saul was plotting harm against him. And he said to Abiathar the priest, “Bring the ephod here.” 

1Sa 23:10  Then David said, “O LORD, the God of Israel, your servant has surely heard that Saul seeks to come to Keilah, to destroy the city on my account. 

1Sa 23:11  Will the men of Keilah surrender me into his hand? Will Saul come down, as your servant has heard? O LORD, the God of Israel, please tell your servant.” And the LORD said, “He will come down.” 

1Sa 23:12  Then David said, “Will the men of Keilah surrender me and my men into the hand of Saul?” And the LORD said, “They will surrender you.” 

1Sa 23:13  Then David and his men, who were about six hundred, arose and departed from Keilah, and they went wherever they could go. When Saul was told that David had escaped from Keilah, he gave up the expedition. 

Now think about it ... this passage clearly shows that divine foreknowledge that God had was used by David ... and also shows that foreknowledge did not necessitate predestination.

God foreknew what Saul and the leaders of Keilah would do, however this did NOT happen!  Basically, God saw the possibility of what would take place, but this foreknowledge did not predestinate the outcome.

Basically this passage revealed to me ... that predestination and foreknowledge are indeed different.

I thought I'd throw that out there ... as a talking point!  

What do you all think?

So absolutely, inherently true in God's Eternal Wisdom, George, that foreknowledge of future consequences can give rise to interventions that redirect the course of events to produce different outcomes. 

[JohnR7]

5 hours ago, angels4u said:

Did you watch Tom Horn , I believe he  was talking about this..

 

NASA and Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about the astroid.

[angels4u]

2 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

NASA and Neil deGrasse Tyson talk about the astroid.

Neil deGrasse Tyson , I have to check out who he is..

[JohnR7]

23 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Neil deGrasse Tyson , I have to check out who he is..

He is a leading expert on astro physics. He has a lot of video on youtube. The one I am referring to has to do with what he calls a giant meteor. 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/277790-death-by-giant-meteor/

 

Edited April 22, 2022 by George
Removed the Video ... posted a link to the Video in our videos section.

[angels4u]

13 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

He is a leading expert on astro physics. He has a lot of video on youtube. The one I am referring to has to do with what he calls a giant meteor. 

 

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