Who is Resurrected, and When?

[Selah7]

15 minutes ago, Keras said:

Also, be very careful to place 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 where it belongs: AFTER the Millennium and after the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

May we discuss?   

Why don’t you believe that 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 refers to the Millennium which occurs at the 7th trump?

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

I haven't re-read all of this thread, but to reiterate what the Bible does tell us about a Resurrection when Jesus Returns: 

1/ It is only for the martyrs killed during the 42 month period of world Satanic control, Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 20:4

2/ Those resurrected are just brought back to life; as Lazarus was. As the Saints raised when Jesus arose, were and they all died again. 

3/ But as all their names will be found in the Book of Life, their second death will not affect their eventual change into immortality, Revelation 20:5-6

4/ They and everyone who has ever lived, will stand before God in Judgment.  Only then is Immortality conferred - to all whose names are found in the BoL.  Revelation 20:11-15

This is all seriously flawed, according to the Bible itself.

Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 all indicate a single resurrection for the saved and a single resurrection for the unsaved.

1 Cor 15:23 says plainly that the resurrected of the saved will be "when He comes", which is a direct reference to the Second Advent, occurring at the end of the Tribulation.  This is because the OT prophesied about two Advents of the Messiah.

Rev 20:4 is at the end of the Tribulation, and says that Trib martyrs will be resurrected and "reign with Christ" for 1,000 years.  v.5 calls this resurrection the FIRST one.  Since there are only 2, per the 3 verses above, the "rest of the dead" refers to all unbelievers who will be resurrected back into their mortal bodies to appear before the GWT judgment.  

Immortality is conferred the MOMENT one believes in Jesus Christ for salvation.  John 5:24 says that those who believe HAVE (possess) eternal life.  John 10:28 are the words of Jesus as well.  He said, "I give them (believers) eternal life, and they shall never perish".  Paul described the resurrection body at length in 1 Cor 15 and so it is the resurrection body that will never die again.  And all believers will receive theirs "when He comes" back to set up His MK.  

The GWT judgment occurs after the MK.  Then Rev 21 begins the "eternal state" with a new heaven and new earth.

1 hour ago, Keras said:

There are some posters here; and who troll the other Forums, as well; who have the obviously wrong idea that we are in the Millennium now.  They forcefully and repeatedly push their beliefs, with the risible notion that Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns. Their beliefs contradict our present situation, let alone much scripture. For the sake of the seekers here and for their own sake; they should be banned. 

Also, be very careful to place 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 where it belongs: AFTER the Millennium and after the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

We may well be in the Tribulation now.  The Millennium is when Christ "rules the nations with a rod of iron", which is after the Tribulation.

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

I haven't re-read all of this thread, but to reiterate what the Bible does tell us about a Resurrection when Jesus Returns: 

1/ It is only for the martyrs killed during the 42 month period of world Satanic control, Revelation 13:5-8, Revelation 20:4

I can't tell you how many questions instantly popped into my head when I read this.  I am going to have to address them in different posts because there are alot of them, starting with

Why wouldn't the 'martyrs' go to join the souls under the altar? 

9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

I'm sorry, this just doesn't make any sense to me.  EVEN the TWO witnesses are going to be RAISED UP at the VERY END, but you are saying that will not apply to anyone killed during the 42 months?  

Please, tell me what is written that leads you to that. 

Why would GOD send those who have given their LIFE for His word, to the place of the DEAD?  Why wouldn't those who were beheaded FOLLOW HIM to be where He is like everyone has since Christ became the firstborn of those who slept?

What happens at the beginning of the 42 months to change that?
  

Do you truly believe the NEVER DIE will be rendered as the DEAD are and be sent to be with them in the CORRUPTION OF THE GRAVE?

How then 'being raised up from the corruption' will they receive their incorruption? 

since it is written

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.



Doesn't 'corruption' come about by being in hell?

1(Michtam of David.) Preserve me, O God: for in thee do I put my trust.

2O my soul, thou hast said unto the LORD, Thou art my Lord: my goodness extendeth not to thee;

3But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight.

4Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

5The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot.

6The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage.

7I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.

8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.

10For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

11Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Ps 16

I'll stop here.  Maybe your answers will answer some of the rest of my questions. 

[DeighAnn]

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


WHO EXACTLY ARE THEY JUDGING FOR THOSE 1000 YEARS?



 

 

[truth7t7]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

Also, be very careful to place 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 where it belongs: AFTER the Millennium and after the GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

Proved by how it is only then that Death is no more. Revelation 21:4

Your claim is "False"

"The Last Enemy Death" is swallowed up in victory at the return of Jesus Christ in the resurrection (Then Cometh The End) as scripture clearly teaches below, your claims are silenced 

Jesus Is The Lord

1 Corinthians 15:23-26 & 51-54KJV

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Edited January 25, 2023 by truth7t7

[JoeCanada]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

T7,

Your claim is false!

And here's why:

"25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet."

Did you forget about that verse?

Jesus HAS to reign UNTIL (till) He has put down all His enemies. 

This does not happen when He battles at Armegeddon. 

He still HAS to REIGN first, and this does not happen in one day.

Can you show in scripture where Jesus delivers up the kingdom to the Father?

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Jesus doesn't deliver the kingdom to the Father UNTIL He has put down all rule and authority and power. THEN comes the end!

 

[Keras]

5 hours ago, Selah7 said:

May we discuss?   

Why don’t you believe that 1 Corinthians 15:50-56 refers to the Millennium which occurs at the 7th trump?

Phew! Thats all a heavy response. Luckily I am a retired man and have just done the gardening chores!

I showed the parallel between 1 Cor 15:52-56 and Revelation 20:4    They both tell of the time when Death will be no more.   Clearly, from Rev 20:4, it will be the time after the Millennium, when the new Heavens and Earth come; which is Eternity. 

Nowhere does the Bible say that anyone receives immortality before that time. Job, David and Lazarus; ALL wait for the Great While Throne Judgment, at the end of the 7000 year plan of God for mankind.

The 7th Trumpet, Revelation 11:11-19, is paralleled with Revelation 12:7-12, where Satan is thrown out of heaven and Jesus becomes the Sovreign of the earth. But that is what will happen in heaven; on earth God then allows Satan to rule for the final 42 months before Jesus Returns. Revelation 13:1-18

The 7 Bowls follow this heavenly event, culminating in the 7th Bowl of the Battle of Armageddon. Revelation 16:16-18

[Keras]

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

This is all seriously flawed, according to the Bible itself.

According to your beliefs. 

 

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Dan 12:2, John 5:29 and Acts 24:15 all indicate a single resurrection for the saved and a single resurrection for the unsaved.

Which will happen at the Great White Throne Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

1 Cor 15:23 says plainly that the resurrected of the saved will be "when He comes", which is a direct reference to the Second Advent, occurring at the end of the Tribulation.

Yes; There will be a resurrection when Jesus Returns, Revelation 20:4 tells us who they will be.....those killed for their faith by the 'beast', during his 42 month period of world control.  

4 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

We may well be in the Tribulation now.

Impossible, just read Revelation from Rev 6:12 to %ev 19:10 and see that nothing of the kind Prophesied has happened yet. 

[Keras]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Why wouldn't the 'martyrs' go to join the souls under the altar? 

They probably will, but Jesus specially brings their souls back with Him when He Returns. Revelation 20:4b

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

What happens at the beginning of the 42 months to change that?

Only that God says He will treat those who stand against the 'beast' differently.  The two Witnesses will be included with those martyrs. 

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

How then 'being raised up from the corruption' will they receive their incorruption? 

The same as Lazarus was. Jesus made very sure that Lazarus was well and truly dead and decomposing. Also those Saints that rose when Jesus did, they were just mouldering bones, but they came back to mortal life. 

Your quote above, refers to what happens at the GWT Judgment. 

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

WHO EXACTLY ARE THEY JUDGING FOR THOSE 1000 YEARS?

The ungodly peoples, all of whom are dead before Jesus commences His Millennium reign. ONLY the faithful Christian peoples will go with Jesus into the Millennium. 

[Keras]

3 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Your claim is "False"

"The Last Enemy Death" is swallowed up in victory at the return of Jesus Christ in the resurrection (Then Cometh The End) as scripture clearly teaches below, your claims are silenced 

I would not like to face God and have Him say: Why did you teach contrary to My Prophetic Word?  The Word, clearly set out in Revelation 20:1-10 and supported in many other scriptures.