Open7 Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 116 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 I never understood why in matthew 1:23 it says ‘they will call him Immanuel’ quoting from Isaiah, when he is to be called Jesus. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation. But anyways, Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tzephanyahu Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,625 Content Per Day: 0.79 Reputation: 2,033 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/10/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 Hi @Open7, I hope you're doing good. I believe the reason why is in the interpretation - El with us. That was the mystery about the Messiah. If his name was actually Immanuel it would just be a straight forward prophecy, but the fact his name was Yahushua (Jesus) brings our attention to the interpretation instead. El is a shortened form of Elohim. Elohim is a word meaning Powerful Ones/ruler/master, and is the Hebrew term which is translated into God. But the term can also refer to Jesus, as he rules as Elohim in the Father's stead. Whilst he is not literally the Most High, as far as we are concerned, he is Elohim in authority. But our Most High Elohim and Jesus' Elohim is Creator Yahweh. Example verse: Ps 45:7: "You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore Elohim(Jesus), Your Elohim (Yahweh), has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." I hope that makes sense 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,124 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,854 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Online Share Posted July 10, 2022 Just a note, Elohim is used for heavenly beings that can and do exist in the spiritual world. Even born again Christians can technically be called Elohim for we are born spiritually as sons and daughters of God into His family. I agree that Immanuel, concerning Jesus, is a verb and not a noun. It isn't his name, but a description of his position. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deborah_ Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 790 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 878 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/07/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Open7 said: I never understood why in matthew 1:23 it says ‘they will call him Immanuel’ quoting from Isaiah, when he is to be called Jesus. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation. But anyways, Any ideas? You have to go back to the original prophecy in Isaiah 7. There, Isaiah was talking about a child who would soon be born to a particular woman ("the" virgin - a virgin because she was not yet married at the time of the prophecy) and would actually be called 'Immanuel' as a statement of faith that God would protect His people. The prophecy found an extra fulfilment in the birth of Jesus, (1) because his mother actually was a virgin when He was conceived, and (2) because although she and Joseph were instructed to call Him Jesus as His name, 'Immanuel' describes in a nutshell who He is. Edited July 10, 2022 by Deborah_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.54 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Yes, amen. God With Us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,132 Content Per Day: 7.07 Reputation: 13,084 Days Won: 97 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Online Share Posted July 10, 2022 4 hours ago, other one said: Just a note, Elohim is used for heavenly beings that can and do exist in the spiritual world. Even born again Christians can technically be called Elohim for we are born spiritually as sons and daughters of God into His family. I agree that Immanuel, concerning Jesus, is a verb and not a noun. It isn't his name, but a description of his position. That's my understanding as well. Jesus Christ, God with us (Immanuel). He is God with us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayne Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,820 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 4,806 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Open7 said: I never understood why in matthew 1:23 it says ‘they will call him Immanuel’ quoting from Isaiah, when he is to be called Jesus. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation. But anyways, Any ideas? The prophecy in Isaiah is about two women, not one. It's a dual prophecy - like a lot of Old Testament prophecy. Isaiah 7 teaches that the reign of king of Judah , King Ahaz, a HORRIBE king was threatened by the king of Israel, yet another ungodly king. King Ahaz and Judah are terrified. God sends the prophet Isaiah to comfort King Ahaz and tell them that they will not be conquered. God says the king of Israel and their alliance with Syria will not defeat Judah. God promised this to Ahaz. God said through Isaiah TO Ahaz for him to ask God for proof of this. Ask for a sign. ANYTHING. Ahaz did not love God. He did not trust God. If he asked God for proof, God would give it to him and Ahaz would be responsible TO God. God gives him a sign anyway. The duality of the prophecy. There was going to be a young woman- we don't know her name - who had a baby the normal way named Immanuel. Before the baby was very old at all - God was going to destroy Israel and so Israel would not be able to destroy Judah. God gave Ahaz a sign whether he wanted it or not. Hundreds of years later -there was also going to be another baby, named Jesus, born in a supernatural way [who acted as Immanuel as "God With Us"]. There was only one virgin birth. The Hebrew word is עַלְמָה and can mean a literal virgin, young woman, newly married, or ripe for marriage. The Isaiah passage should say "woman". The Matthew passage should say "virgin". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.56 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Open7 said: I never understood why in matthew 1:23 it says ‘they will call him Immanuel’ quoting from Isaiah, when he is to be called Jesus. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation. But anyways, Any ideas? Its another name. Jesus means Savior Immanuel Means God With Us So the Savior who is God With Us. God in Old Testament had many names like El Shaddai, Elohim, Jehovah, and etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted July 10, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 10, 2022 Both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted July 11, 2022 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/10/2022 at 4:42 AM, Open7 said: I never understood why in matthew 1:23 it says ‘they will call him Immanuel’ quoting from Isaiah, when he is to be called Jesus. I’m sure there’s a simple explanation. But anyways, Any ideas? One simple explanation is that God is magnificent and has many names in the Bible. This particular prophecy, however, emphasizes that God is WITH people in human form--in Jesus Christ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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