No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:

[DeighAnn]

9 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the words of God.  GOD DRAWS us with HIS WORDS.  That is why HIS WORD has got to go out to the ends of the world.  That is why the end can not come until it has been published in all the world.  

If GOD called us through some 'supernatural touching' of only those who are His,  then WHAT IS WRITTEN wouldn't need to go anywhere at all as those who He called would be compelled to just go and find His words after that, no need for the whole world to have access, I would think.  

BUT FAITH doesn't come that way, though I have heard those who say it does even though that is not what is written.  

EVERY MAN that HATH HEARD and HATH LEARNED...COMETH UNTO ME.  

Not the other way around.  THERE ARE 2 FATHERS, can't know that until you have read the words of God.  So if someone were to be 'called' before knowing any of HIS TRUTH,  they would not be capable of discerning  who it was that called them in the first place, would they?  The angel of light or the one who transforms into the angel of light.  Were they being called by the Christ or the Antichrist?   Without hearing the words of GOD they would not know.  And we know that the time had to be shortened or else even GODS very elect would be deceived.  IF they can be deceived then MOST CERTAINLY someone without any knowledge wouldn't stand a chance.  

That is being my opinion on WHAT IS WRITTEN about how we come to faith.  

 

[steve morrow]

KNOWLEDGE

 

HOSEA 4:6  MY  people are destroyed for lack of knowledge because thou hast rejected knowledge ---I will also reject thee--- that thou shalt be no priest to  ME  seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy  GOD  I will also forget thy children

--4:7-- as they were increased so they sinned against  ME  therefore will I change their glory into shame 

 

ACTS 3:22  for moses truly said unto the fathers a prophet shall  THE  LORD  YOUR  GOD  raise up unto you of your brethren like unto me him shall you hear in --all things whatsoever  HE  shall say unto you---

--3:23--  and it shall come to pass that every soul which will not hear that prophet ---SHALL  BE  DESTROYED  FROM  AMONG  THE  PEOPLE---

 

HEBREWS 7:12  for the priesthood being changed there is made of necessity a change also ---of the law---

 

ROMANS 8:2  for the law of the spirit of life in  **CHRIST  JESUS**  ---hath made me free from the law of sin and death--- 

 

EZEKIEL 36:26  a new heart also will I give you ---and a new spirit will I put within you--- and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and I will give you a heart of flesh

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

 

[Sower]

10 hours ago, Walter and Deborah said:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

I believe that.

When I was lost, God drew me to the truth of the gospel when I heard the words "you must be saved" "you must be born again"
The Word (God) drew me.
I was lost, but the word(s) I heard from a faithful believer, drew me to seek more words, more truth.
God is light, truth, and He is also The Word.  The Word, God, drew me. More word, more light/truth, birth!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

It is God Who draws, (through His Word. God is the Word is God.)

I heard the word, and believed......As a little child, simply, uncomplicated,
straight from God's Word, unhindered by man's exhaustive teachings.

Man's way is not God's way...

 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 8/5/2022 at 6:00 PM, AdHoc said:

Three difficulties are found with this passage.

1. That the Father will have to draw any man that comes to Jesus
2. Why the Lord Jesus presents Himself as Bread
3. Why the Lord commands men to eat His flesh and drink His blood

(1) If you read Romans 7 carefully it is at once apparent that the nature we have inherited from Adam dwells richly in us so that sin (singular) is Personified and causes man to veer away from God all the time. Paul says that even when he wants to do God's will, he ends up not doing it. Man is like a snowball rolling down a snow-covered hill towards hell. He (i) collect more snow to make a return more unlikely, and (ii) he just can't beat the Law of sin and death. It needs God to draw him. This is an active help from God to turn to Him. The Greek word means a gentle but firm drawing like pulling in a full net of fish without breaking the net.

(2) In Eden, before sin, our Lord is presented as fruit of the Tree of Life. But once sin came in the way to the Tree of Life is barred. To get to it takes passing through a fiery sword. No one can do this because the fire consumes and the sword kills the sinner. So before man can eat Christ somebody worthy has to take the sinner's place. For the fallen nature of man Jesus is the Lamb (Jn.1:29). But the Lamb only deals with one thing.man might have the substitutionary effect of the Lamb but he still hasn't eaten Christ for LIFE. For this, because we are born from a Single Grain of Wheat - Christ (Jn.12:24), to eat Christ He must go through a process. This process is to die by being crushed and ground, then put into an oven to bake at high temperature. It is the suffering Christ we eat.

(3) When God made man He wanted a special product. Man was to be in the image and likeness of God, but not lose his humanity. To have a man act like God and to rule like God would, the man need to be a man, but with his humanity permeated with God's nature. If you eat something, it becomes one with the eater in a few hours. To eat of the fruit of the Tree of Life would have infused man with Christ's nature - both 100% man but with divinity. Divinity in the application of His lifestyle NOT His Godhead. And the way the Father achieves this is that He sent Christ as a Man (see Luke's genealogy), but He was God as well (see John's history of Jesus). Then God ordains that our Lord Jesus would go through the full experience of humanity. This would add human living to Christ's divinity. But it would be the perfect humanity - a humanity pleasing to the Father. then, if you ate Jesus, you would become one with a Man whose perfect humanity would be infused into you. Man's vitality by the breath of God is in his human spirit (Gen.2:7, Jas.2:26). But man humanity is in his blood (Act.17:26). Man's spirituality is in his human spirit, but his humanity - being a man, is in his FLESH.

So Jesus commanded that men, in order to reach God's original goal with men, eat His flesh and drink His blood. But if Jesus presented Himself as a human Body, there would barely be enough for the twelve apostles. So what He does is He lives the perfect human life under Law and even outside of Law (for the Law cannot demand that the innocent die for the guilty), and then adds it to His divinity. the Holy Spirit receives Christ's perfect humanity and through the unlimitedness of the Holy Spirit, Christ can be added to all men, past, present and future who would embrace Him. This is the meaning of John 7:39. Our Lord Jesus had to go through human birth, life, death and be glorified by resurrection to prove that all sin ans sins were put away. Then only, could He BREATHE Himself as the Spirit into His believers (Jn.20:22). The Greek for "Spirit" is the same as "wind" and "breath".

The problem came when His followers did not see the principle of the fruit of the Tree of Life. They should have been looking for a Messiah Who dealt with their sin ans sins and the infused Himself into them. Instead they looked for a Law-giver and Warrior. Both these things are OUTSIDE of men and have no effect on them. God's plan is to get INSIDE man and let LIFE rule in a man.

Adam and Eve were not the only ones who exit the Garden, the Serpent and the tree of death they also exit the Garden...

The tree of Life remain in the Garden...

****the Life the Creator gave to Adam it was self sustained.

What Life God the Creator had he gave to Adam...

Adam had a self sustained Life because his Creator had a self sustained Life...

Adam gave to Eve the kind of Life he had...Eve also had a self sustained Life.  

The Creator who in due time made himself known to Abraham as the Lord God Almighty. 

In due time enter our world through his birth from Myriam when he was born in Bethlehem.,.

At that time Jesus had the same Life as Adam had, a self sustained Life, dependent on his obedience to the Heavenly Father. 

He died on the Cross in full obedience to the Heavenly Father...that's the time when he defeated death...

O' Death where is your sting...

He died in full obedience to his Heavenly Father...and he died in the Life, at some point with his resurrection from the place of the dead, he became the eternal Life, because the obedience test from the Father was completed because he finished this part of his mission and with his death on the Cross the challenge from the devil and his humanity also finish...or completed...that's the time he became the eternal Life..

(He was from the beginning ordained to be the eternal Life, but it came to pass when he died on the Cross in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. 

The Life he gives us this time is eternal upon us because it comes with his imputed righteousness, the forgiveness of sins in his name, in his death on the Cross, in his blood.

[AdHoc]

14 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Adam and Eve were not the only ones who exit the Garden, the Serpent and the tree of death they also exit the Garden...

The tree of Life remain in the Garden...

****the Life the Creator gave to Adam it was self sustained.

What Life God the Creator had he gave to Adam...

Adam had a self sustained Life because his Creator had a self sustained Life...

Adam gave to Eve the kind of Life he had...Eve also had a self sustained Life.  

The Creator who in due time made himself known to Abraham as the Lord God Almighty. 

In due time enter our world through his birth from Myriam when he was born in Bethlehem.,.

At that time Jesus had the same Life as Adam had, a self sustained Life, dependent on his obedience to the Heavenly Father. 

He died on the Cross in full obedience to the Heavenly Father...that's the time when he defeated death...

O' Death where is your sting...

He died in full obedience to his Heavenly Father...and he died in the Life, at some point with his resurrection from the place of the dead, he became the eternal Life, because the obedience test from the Father was completed because he finished this part of his mission and with his death on the Cross the challenge from the devil and his humanity also finish...or completed...that's the time he became the eternal Life..

(He was from the beginning ordained to be the eternal Life, but it came to pass when he died on the Cross in full obedience to the Heavenly Father. 

The Life he gives us this time is eternal upon us because it comes with his imputed righteousness, the forgiveness of sins in his name, in his death on the Cross, in his blood.

Thank you for your reply brother. I've read it through twice but I'm not sure I understood it all. Wouldn't it help a bit if you gave scriptures. Anyway, thnaks, and go well.

[other one]

On 8/5/2022 at 12:00 PM, Alive said:

The Word goes out but many hearing can't hear.

Matt. 13:13 (NET) For this reason I speak to them in parables: Although they see they do not see, and although they hear they do not hear nor do they understand.

Matt. 13:15 (NET)   For the heart of this people has become dull;   they are hard of hearing,   and they have shut their eyes,   so that they would not see with their eyes   and hear with their ears   and understand with their hearts   and turn, and I would heal them.’

Luke 8:10 (NAS20S) And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest they are told in parables, so that   while seeing they may not see, and while hearing they may not understand.

so God made all these people and then made it where they can't understand so they go to hell?     Would he really do that?

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

so God made all these people and then made it where they can't understand so they go to hell?     Would he really do that?

The elect receive special Grace and the rest receive 'justice'. Yes--but I suspect my view of hell is not your view.

[other one]

Just now, Alive said:

The elect receive special Grace and the rest receive 'justice'. Yes--but I suspect my view of hell is not your view.

Whatever your view of hell is,   

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Romans 2:11  For there is no respect of persons with God.

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2 Peter 3:9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

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Acts 10:34-35[34] Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: [35] But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him.

 

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James 2:9But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

     So God does things that he considers a sin if we do them

[Alive]

Rom. 9:14 (KJVS)   What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. ¹⁵ For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. ¹⁶ So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. ¹⁷ For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. ¹⁸ Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. ¹⁹ Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? ²⁰ Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? ²¹ Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? ²² What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: ²³ And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, ²⁴ Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Thank you for your reply brother. I've read it through twice but I'm not sure I understood it all. Wouldn't it help a bit if you gave scriptures. Anyway, thnaks, and go well.

@AdHoc I have scriptures for every line and statement in the post.

And that's what I should now do...I post from an iPhone and needs some time...

I am pleased that you saw interest. God bless.