Isa 53'and Jewish Rabbis

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

It's a picture of me in my headscarf.

 

Sorry, there is no way that is a human being in a scarf...

And one thing I noticed in your profile where you state you are an

          "Orthodox Jew on the cusp of being an agnostic." ????

[JimmyB]

18 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Which is why they allow you to use the word: "Jews", even though it is a derogatory word. They would not want anyone to slander their proper name.  God means deity and it has nothing to do with an actual name for God. The scribes when they were going to write a name for God they had to wash and clean themselves first. 

Why do you think that "Jews" is a derogatory word?  That has the flavor of antiSemitism.  

Yeshua (Jesus) was a Jew,

John 4:22, "You people worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because salvation is from the Jews". 

 

Acts 2:5, "Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven residing in Jerusalem." (at Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was given to them).

Acts 13:43, "When the meeting of the synagogue had broken up, many of the Jews and God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who were speaking with them and were persuading them to continue in the grace of God."

Acts 14:1, "The same thing happened in Iconium when Paul and Barnabas went into the Jewish synagogue and spoke in such a way that a large group of both Jews and Greeks believed."

Acts 17:2, "Paul went to the Jews in the synagogue, as he customarily did, and on three Sabbath days he addressed them from the scriptures"

Acts 17:11, "These Jews were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they eagerly received the message, examining the scriptures carefully every day to see if these things were so."

Acts 19:17, "This became known to all who lived in Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; fear came over them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was praised."

Acts 21:20, "When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all ardent observers of the law.

Romans 3:2, "Actually, there are many advantages. First of all, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God."

1 Corinthians 1:24, "But to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God."

1 Corinthians 12:13, "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body. Whether Jews or Greeks or slaves or free, we were all made to drink of the one Spirit."

... and more, but that should be sufficient to make my point.  Jesus was a Jew, as were all the disciples and apostles, as well as many believers.  The Bible authors, with the sole exception of Luke, were all Jews.  "Jews" is not a derogatory word!

 

 

 

 

[Starise]

12 minutes ago, Rosie1jack2pauline3 said:

I think she has covered her face with that image,Charlie.

i believe it’s Slibhin in her scarf..the image is covering her face.

Yeah but if you look at it another way it's a frog with a red turbin on. 

I probably would have failed the ink spot test too.

[Selah7]

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[Charlie744]

43 minutes ago, Slibhin said:

It's an in joke because I was born on April 1st.

 

And, why would you post this on your profile?

  "Orthodox Jew on the cusp of being an agnostic." ????

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, Selah7 said:

lizard

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

10 hours ago, Slibhin said:

G-d also said not to eat bacon or mix certain fabrics. They are called the 613 laws, not the 613 suggestions.

I am beyond surprised people here have such anxiety about it. If you people think it's petty or stupid then don't do it. You're not Jewish and therefore your opinions on our laws don't mean much.

You seem upset by what I wrote. I don't understand that. I only wrote my interpretation of the verse you mentioned. Nothing I said was intended to be disrespectful in any way. If you were offended, I certainly apologize. I wasn't saying that Jewish laws are petty. Obviously God had a reason for every single one. I don't believe Christians are bound by those Jewish laws, but that shouldn't offend you. I live the Jews. They are like our relatives. Without Jews, there would be no Christians. Jews even wrote our Bible. I have no anxiety about anything. Jesus is my savior, and I hope he's yours too. God Bless you and many wonderful days ahead for you.

[JohnR7]

17 hours ago, JimmyB said:

Why do you think that "Jews" is a derogatory word?  That has the flavor of antiSemitism.  

Yeshua (Jesus) was a Jew,

John 4:22, "You people worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because salvation is from the Jews". 

People are always guilty of what they accuse others of. The word "Jew" is NOT in the origional KJV of the Bible. The word is Judah. You are correct: Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. 

Like I said before, I do not "think" anything. I am only showing respect for my "Jewish" classmates in High School that consider "Jew" or "Jewish" to be derogatory terms. They prefered the word: Hebrew. But I am not sure why. The word "Hebrew" refers to the descentants of Abraham who was the first to cross over the river to leave the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. God has given the entire Arab Contential plate (1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles) to the descendants of Abraham. 

I actually am a descendant of one of the origional translators of the Bible into English -  Bloody Mary's first martyr. Him and I share DNA and the same name. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by JohnR7

[JimmyB]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

People are always guilty of what they accuse others of. The word "Jew" is NOT in the origional KJV of the Bible. The word is Judah. You are correct: Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. 

Like I said before, I do not "think" anything. I am only showing respect for my "Jewish" classmates in High School that consider "Jew" or "Jewish" to be derogatory terms. They prefered the word: Hebrew. But I am not sure why. The word "Hebrew" refers to the descentants of Abraham who was the first to cross over the river to leave the Tigris Euphrates River Valley. God has given the entire Arab Contential plate (1500 by 1500 by 1500 miles) to the descendants of Abraham. 

I actually am a descendant of one of the origional translators of the Bible into English -  Bloody Mary's first martyr. Him and I share DNA and the same name. 

Almost every English translation has "Jews" in John 4:22, including the King James.  (BTW, it's irrelevant that the "original" KJV doesn't have the word "Jew" (if that's actually the case -- it's in the Geneva Bible) and Judah is the name of a tribe one of the 12 tribes.) 

Your classmates shouldn't be offended by the words "Jew" or "Jewish".  They are in common use, including by my family and the Jewish people in general.

[Anne2]

On 8/13/2022 at 6:20 AM, Slibhin said:

Now I have more time.

You have several hurdles which are the following:

- You're never ever going to convince us that G-d has altered or changed his covenant with the Jewish people by a single letter.

 How is Isaiah 53 keeping his covenant made with Abraham's seed (circumcision in the foreskin of the flesh?

How is Isaiah 53 keeping his covenant with the Jewish people (mount Horeb)

On 8/13/2022 at 6:20 AM, Slibhin said:

Christians teach that he not only did this, but that he tore out entire pages and threw then in the bin.

Historically Christianity does not teach this. I realize the some today teach a renewed covenant, but the Church has historically accepted and teaches a (the) new covenant. 

 

On 8/13/2022 at 6:20 AM, Slibhin said:

G-d has plainly stated that he is unchanging and everlasting. He always keeps his word and his covenants, even if the other side doesn't always.

I am glad to see Judaism acknowledging more than one covenant. Which brings up the question why a plurality of covenants?  So, I am curious as to which covenant Isaiah 53 is in keeping with?

The covenant made with your father Abraham, through Isaac (Circumcision in your flesh), or the covenant made with Israel in mount Horeb? Which covenant was not made with your fathers?

Deut 5:2  The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3  The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4  The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
 

Which covenant is Is. 53 in keeping with? And why?

And  which covenant is everlasting?

1 chron. 16:15  Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
16  Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
17  And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a ordinance, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Exodus 12:24  And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.