biblical or heresy?

[Guest mimilana]

Hi Everyone... I just happened on this website by accident. I'm hoping someone can give me some insight.

I've been a believer for many years and thought I was rooted and grounded in the word before I met my boyfriend. I would like to list some things he believes and criticizes me when I don't see it the same way as he does.

1. Sin is no longer imputed to the believer...Jesus died for past,present and future sins...thus showing that there is no longer any need to asking forgiveness. All we are required to do is seek Him and thats it.

2.We cannot change our ways,thoughts,etc. We have no control over our body because sin lies in the flesh...not the spirit. By this he believes that it doesn't matter what the body does. The body can sin because sin lies in it. The spirit is what matters. Thus he believes that it's okay to have sex before marriage...lie...etc, because it's not us that sins but our body. He often quotes from Paul....Everythings lawful for me to do...but not everything edifies God.

Whenever I dispute him on anything he says I'm living under the law....that I'm not living under the freedom I have been given. He totally disregards any scripture I give him by saying it was said while under the law...even Jesus' teachings he says that. He picks and chooses what he wants to believe.

3. He doesn't believe in going to church....says that they all teach the law and sin.

4.He believes that there are only a few "real" believers that know the truth.

5.He believes God puts sickness on you when you disobey him....if God puts sickness on you,then why does he heal you? Wouldn't he be working against himself?

There are so many other things I want to write but will limit it to what I have now. I'm having a really difficult time. I used to feel so close to God...now I feel so far away from him...I have a hard time praying and reading the word since we've been together.

Can anyone give me scriptural evidence that any of this is true? As far as I know...it's all deception.

[NITE OWL]

To my knowledge there is no scripture to back his claims.

I know he's your boyfriend but I'm going to tell you to be very careful about listening to what he says. I see very little truth if any in what he says.

The only thing he got right was that Christ died for us. But we are still accountable for our actions regarding sin.

I don't know....if he totally disregards the teachings of Christ or the bible and is pushing his beliefs on you, you might want to ask yourself if your love for him is worth your soul.

Just a thought.

[ayin jade]

1) Jesus told people to repent and turn to the Lord.

2) He puts a lot of stock in what Paul says. Paul told us not to continue in our sinful lives. Jesus told us to repent and to sin no more. Paul told us that grace does not mean we can continue to live freely in our sins. Your friend misquotes Paul. Everything is permissable, but not everything is beneficial. In other words, he shouldnt be doing everything. If your friend continues to live in an unchanged way, still sinning freely, then what evidence is there that he is saved? The Lord said the fruits would be there.

3) Hebrews 10:25 tells us that we are not to forsake fellowship.

4) What does he define as the truth, and where is his biblical backup on it?

5) That one is a bit complicated. Nothing happens to us without the will of the Father, so the Lord does allow us to be ill. This can be from the natural consequences of the fact that the world is in a sinful state. It can be His way of correcting us, bringing us to Him. My illness last year taught me to rely on Him more.

[Big Steve]

I'm sorry, but it sounds like he is twisting things around to get what he wants.

You are accountable for all your actions.

Also, maybe you didn't "just happen" onto this site. I think you were struggling with this, and you were brought here for a reason. I know I was when I was searching for answers.

[Leonard]

Your boyfriend's understanding of Christianity is loused up like a soup sandwich! These are ALL very, very old heresies which the Church debated and COMPLETELY REJECTED within the first three centuries Anno Domini.

Antinomianism/Libertinism is connected at least tangentially to the even earlier heresy of Gnosticism. Gnosticism believed the body is 'bad,' whereas Scripture says God called his WHOLE CREATION 'GOOD'!!!

If your boyfriend would like to discuss it further, please have him e-mail me at leonardenniss@qwest.net.

Every blessing,

Fr. Onesimus

[chifu]

Matthew 5

The Fulfillment of the Law

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

The above passage from Matthew clearly states that the Law remains and we are to try and keep them. As it is impossible to not break the Law at some time (otherwise Jesus would not have needed to die for our sins), Jesus forgives our sins when we ask him to forgive us. Verse 19-20, states that anyone who teaches that it is OK to break the Law will not have greatness in heaven and might even be refused entry.

By how you describe your boyfriend he could be in serious trouble.

The Law of God is there for our own protection. If God's Law is ignored what stops us from hurting each other. We can see from society what happens when people ignore the Law of the Land, so how much greater the suffering when society ignore God's Laws.

We must always be vary of anyone who turns us away from the truth. You say you had a strong faith before meeting this person, ask yourself, is he helping you into heaven. How did you meet him? Clearly not in a Church. Where did he get his teaching from? What is his reason for saying the things he says? Does he belong to a Christian cult? You must ask yourself these questions.

[nebula]

Sorry - but that sounds like "cultish" philosophy to me.

RUN - do not walk - to the nearest exit!

[Trust & Obey]

Hi Everyone... I just happened on this website by accident. I'm hoping someone can give me some insight.

I've been a believer for many years and thought I was rooted and grounded in the word before I met my boyfriend. I would like to list some things he believes and criticizes me when I don't see it the same way as he does.

1. Sin is no longer imputed to the believer...Jesus died for past,present and future sins...thus showing that there is no longer any need to asking forgiveness. All we are required to do is seek Him and thats it.

Actually, this is partially true. Sin is not imputed (Rom 5:13), but it is still proper to ask forgiveness for the sins that we do on a daily basis (1 John 1:9).

2.We cannot change our ways,thoughts,etc. We have no control over our body because sin lies in the flesh...not the spirit. By this he believes that it doesn't matter what the body does. The body can sin because sin lies in it. The spirit is what matters. Thus he believes that it's okay to have sex before marriage...lie...etc, because it's not us that sins but our body. He often quotes from Paul....Everythings lawful for me to do...but not everything edifies God.

This sounds a lot like "antinomianism" which is something the gnostics believed. It is not scriptural at all. Paul says that we should not continue in sin.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound?

Rom 6:2 Let it not be! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Whenever I dispute him on anything he says I'm living under the law....that I'm not living under the freedom I have been given. He totally disregards any scripture I give him by saying it was said while under the law...even Jesus' teachings he says that. He picks and chooses what he wants to believe.

He is deceived into thinking that freedom in Christ is license to sin:

1Pe 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

Gal 5:13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

3. He doesn't believe in going to church....says that they all teach the law and sin.

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

4.He believes that there are only a few "real" believers that know the truth.

And he's one of them, right? Well, not according to Paul, John, and Peter.

5.He believes God puts sickness on you when you disobey him....if God puts sickness on you,then why does he heal you? Wouldn't he be working against himself?

This is a tricky one. The Bible does talk about some being ill due to unbelief. But, it doesn't go so far as saying God is the source of the illness.

There are so many other things I want to write but will limit it to what I have now. I'm having a really difficult time. I used to feel so close to God...now I feel so far away from him...I have a hard time praying and reading the word since we've been together.

My advice: split apart from him. Anyone who comes between you and God is someone to avoid. God bless ya! You have a discerning heart. God's Spirit has been bringing conviction to you over these false ideas.

[Micah68]

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil.

John 8:11 Go and sin no more.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

[mrs]

Sorry - but that sounds like "cultish" philosophy to me.

RUN - do not walk - to the nearest exit!

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I'm with you.