Where are we exactly in prophecy? (Sorry if already asked)

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

If all the signs point to the near Tribulation, how much closer is the harpazo?

Definitely closer than this time last year!  The thing that many of us talk about in my fellowship circle are how things that are wrong being called right, white being called black, and visa versa.  (Isaiah 5:20-22) 

[farouk]

3 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Where are we at in prophecy? It depends on a multitude of hermeneutic viewpoints. What the Bible states, and what I see aligning and happening in the world today. I surmise we are at the tail end of this age, with the Tribulation near.

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

To whom is Jesus addressing this? Watching patiently for what?

Jesus will be coming as a thief in the night to those not watching and to the unbelieving world. I cannot prove it, but we may receive a little advanced notice of His return by watching and anticipating.

In Matthew chapter 24 and elsewhere, we see what the world will be like in the final seven years. Of the laundry list of things mentioned, never in history could a check mark be placed next to every one of them rapidly progressing now.

If all the signs point to the near Tribulation, how much closer is the harpazo?

Hi @Dennis1209 I would see the great tribulation of Matthew 24 and the general tribulation principle in John 16.33 as distinct. The great tribulation of Matthew 24 is a unique future event in special circumstances.

[JoeCanada]

On 11/25/2022 at 5:07 PM, Not of the World said:

@Jackero said in another thread "3. When Jesus was born into the world, the dragon tried to devour Him as soon as He was born (Revelation 12:3-4)." and, being that this event purportedly happened over 2,000 years ago, I am curious as to where you (the reader) believes we are in prophercy?  

Thanks in advance1 

Hi Not of the World.

Well, lets see:

We have govt's around the world in unity over this vax.... which is not really a vax but a bio-weapon

We have global citizen control using fear over this C-19 (Jesus tells us to "fear not") 

We have Big Media telling us lies, lies and more lies.

We have the WEF and its leader, Klaus Schwab, dictating to global leaders the necessary things which must be followed by every country.

We have the war in Ukraine which is now considered global as the UN is supplying Ukraine with everything it needs to combat Russia and their alliances... ie China, Iran etc

The Russian threat of nuclear war

The possible invasions of China to Taiwan, N. Korea to S. Korea, Turkey to Syria,    US to Haiti......

Elon Musk saying that he will begin implanting control chips in peoples brains beginning next spring

Turkey's 100th anniversary of the Lausanne Treaty in 2023

The coronation of Prince Charles as King in 2023

The 5 red heifers turning 2 next year will allow Israel to begin sacrifices

We have (almost) runaway inflation 

We have the supply chain crisis

We have fuel shortage.... esp diesel

We have fertilizer issues.... some govt's reducing consumption by 30% or more.... the Ukraine war making availability questionable

There is climate change (so the media says)

The carbon "Net Zero"

We are in the most trying times in the history of the world. These signs listed above, all happening within a few years, are clearly telling us that "something bad is coming"

2023 will be a critical year!

Jesus told us in Matt 24 about "birth pangs". 

These will happen just before the 70th week or at the start of the 70th week.

Are the ones listed above "birth pangs"?

Some are.... wars and rumors of wars, deception, beginning of global famine.

I believe that the 70th week will begin either in the fall of 2023 at the start of the Feast of Trumpets.... or in 2024 at the start of the FofT's. 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

"Seventy captivities are determined upon thy people......." Daniel 9:24

So that is seventy sets of 70 year captivities, each ending with war.

4,900 total years.

We can see the start of a few still. 70 a.d.   1090 a.d. and 1945-1967.

But the record of time has been messed with, along with other records.

"After 32 captivities shall Messiah suffer the death penalty, but not for Himself"
Daniel 9:26

And it has been many years since then.

2000? There is evidence to the notion that 1000 years were added to our track of time, and also you can find history to the effect of another 300 years being added.
So minus 1300 the year now might actually be close to 722.

The Hebrew calendar is at 5783.

One day with the Lord is as 1000 years and 1000 years as one day.
2 peter 3:8
As I have sworn in my wrath they shall not enter into my rest
Psalm 95:11, Hebrews 4:3-4

God did rest the seventh day from all His labors.

 

 

[The Light]

On 11/28/2022 at 11:31 AM, Vine Abider said:

In my book, that is date setting, which I shy away from.  Because if we set a date for the pre-trib rapture (i.e., first fruits), then it's an easy count down to the Lord's return . . . and we know no one knows that time, except our Father.

Hi Vine Abider,

I know it is commonly taught that the pre-trib rapture is first fruits, but that is incorrect. The pre-tribulation rapture is the harvest and are not first fruits. It is the early summer wheat harvest.

[Vine Abider]

4 minutes ago, The Light said:

Hi Vine Abider,

I know it is commonly taught that the pre-trib rapture is first fruits, but that is incorrect. The pre-tribulation rapture is the harvest and are not first fruits. It is the early summer wheat harvest.

Well we had a big discussion about this over on the "Could there be multiple raptures thread" and I've decided now that I'm pan-trib . . . it'll just all pan out irregardless (as my grandpappy liked to say)!

[The Light]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Well we had a big discussion about this over on the "Could there be multiple raptures thread" and I've decided now that I'm pan-trib . . . it'll just all pan out irregardless (as my grandpappy liked to say)!

Pan trib never interested me as I'm more interested in knowing the right answer. You know....study to show yourself approved and all. I'll check out your thread as it has to be a good one. In answer to that, yes there are two raptures. One for the Church before the seals are opened and one for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, at the 6th seal before the wrath of God.

[Vine Abider]

10 hours ago, The Light said:

Pan trib never interested me as I'm more interested in knowing the right answer. You know....study to show yourself approved and all. I'll check out your thread as it has to be a good one. In answer to that, yes there are two raptures. One for the Church before the seals are opened and one for the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, at the 6th seal before the wrath of God.

Yes, I see you posted over there and I will read.  The point is that we've all heard so many ones willing to die on the hills of one of the particular rapture propositions - to the adamant exclusion of any other proposition. Personally, after looking at the whole thing for decades, I see multiple raptures and raptures conditional upon how mature (ripe) one is.

But in the end, rather than getting too extremely wrapped around the axle over a doctrine, I just know it will all pan-out in the end - He's got this, and will show each of us just what we need to know to pursue Him best.

[WilliamL]

5 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I see multiple raptures and raptures conditional upon how mature (ripe) one is.

Well put.

[missmuffet]

Right now we are in the Church age or the age of grace.