The souls under the altar (Rev. 6:9-11); are they killed before or during the tribulation period?

[Revelation Man]

On 12/22/2022 at 10:37 PM, The Light said:

Totally false on all counts. First, THE Antichrist does not go forth conquering and conquer. An Antichrist, a king of the North, who is the 7th king and is the beast of the earth goes forth conquering and to conquer. Secondly, this happens when the seals are opened at the beginning of the "beginning of sorrows" The tribulation is completely over before the wrath of God begins. I would quote the verses, but alas it would be a waste of time.

When you read the Seals in Rev. 6 again, try to imagine (just humor me) that Jesus is foretelling what is coming, because no Sealed Message could be read until the last seal was taken off, you totally refuse to accept this concept. 2000 years ago, they knew it very well. Then we can see, the raptured Church in Heaven, standing with Jesus who starts opening a Book of Judgments in their midst. He opens one seal (6 remain, the book is still closed) and Jesus tells them about this coming Conquering Anti-Christ. He opens seal #2 and tells them about this man that will take peace away. Via seal #3 Jesus tells them that great famine will come, as a result of this same man, but the scroll is still nor open. The Jesus takes off the 4th seal, he tells them how this mans rule will bring Death, Sickness and the grave. These are the four horses, John simply took this from Zechariah and used that prose, like he used Dan. 5 for Rev. 17 prose to tell a truth. All four horses are one man ruling over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region for 42 months. Then Jesus opens the 5th seal, (SAME MAN same 42 months) and he tells how this man will kill all the Gentiles who convert to Christ and refuses to take the Mark of the Beast. So, Jesus just foretold of the Anti-Christs COMING 42 month rule. 

Now, Jesus opens the 6th seal, the book/scroll is still not opened yet, of course, there is one seal left. This is happening in heaven mere days before God's wrath starts in Rev. 8, but first the Jews have to flee Judea in Rev. 7 at the 1290, which happens 30 days before the 1260(Rev. 8). None of this started 2000 yeas ago brother, let that stuff go. Here Jesus tells of God's SOON TO COME Wrath, which falls via the 7th Seal in Rev. 8. BOTH Seals 1-5 and 6 start via the Rev. 8 Asteroid Impact (Apophis) and thus only when Gods wrath falls is the Anti-Christ allowed to go forth Conquering, he can't do it at the 1335 when the Two-witnesses show up to turn Israel back unto God BEFORE the coming DOTL, he can't do it at the 1290 when the False Prophet sets up the AoD image (read Rev. 13 WHO places the Image..........read it) and stops Jesus worship in his temple because the False Prophet is the High Priest. When seal #6 is taken off Jesus then tells how Gods wrath (Rev. 8) will bring darkness (see Trump #4) etc. etc. and that is what the Asteroid Impact does via Trumps 1-4. 

Think about this, God's Wrath (Vial #7) and the Anti-Christs Rule both ends at the exact same time with Vial #7. 

On 12/22/2022 at 10:37 PM, The Light said:

How can you possibly think that the seals are not actions. The 1st 6 seals ARE THE TRIBULATION PERIOD. The tribulation is over with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

When you finally get the Seals are not opened until the Rev. 4:1 HEREAFTER which means AFTER the Church Age, then you might understand the timing brother.

Getting tired, gotta take my dog out in this 10 degree weather, yikes.

[JoeCanada]

On 12/15/2022 at 9:05 AM, iamlamad said:

, Jesus was NOT SEEN in the vision of the throne room in chapter 4, was NOT FOUND WORTHY in the first search John watched, and the Holy Spirit was still there in the throne room. 

So - - - - - what time is this showing us? It is why Jesus was on the earth or under the earth. (That is why He was not seen at the right hand of the Father.)

Then later, when Jesus WAS found worthy, that show He had just risen from the dead. And in the next verse, John saw Jesus enter the throne room  - probably right after telling Mary not to touch HIm for He had not yet ascended.

 

Hi iamlamad, 

You say:

"For confimation, if we back up and get the entire context, Jesus was NOT SEEN in the vision of the throne room in chapter 4, was NOT FOUND WORTHY in the first search John watched"

"Then later, when Jesus WAS found worthy"

This talk about Jesus being "not found worthy and then found worthy"..... can be construed as heresy.

There has never....ever.... been a time when Jesus was "not found worthy"..... of anything. To say otherwise IS heresy.

 

 

[iamlamad]

On 12/27/2022 at 4:51 PM, JoeCanada said:

Hi iamlamad, 

You say:

"For confimation, if we back up and get the entire context, Jesus was NOT SEEN in the vision of the throne room in chapter 4, was NOT FOUND WORTHY in the first search John watched"

"Then later, when Jesus WAS found worthy"

This talk about Jesus being "not found worthy and then found worthy"..... can be construed as heresy.

There has never....ever.... been a time when Jesus was "not found worthy"..... of anything. To say otherwise IS heresy.

You are comparing apples to chestnuts. It is written as plain as Day that in that first search, Jesus was NOT found worthy TO TAKE THE BOOK AND OPEN THE SEALS.

Reading on, we find that Jesus had to raise from the dead to become worthy to open the seals.

Therefore, I find you mistaken, probably because I did not specify worth to do WHAT.

[JoeCanada]

16 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are comparing apples to chestnuts. It is written as plain as Day that in that first search, Jesus was NOT found worthy TO TAKE THE BOOK AND OPEN THE SEALS.

Reading on, we find that Jesus had to raise from the dead to become worthy to open the seals.

Therefore, I find you mistaken, probably because I did not specify worth to do WHAT.

Rev 1:7:

"BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen

"I am the Alpha and the Omega", says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Here , in Rev 1:7, is Jesus' signifying mark..... "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Rev 4 begins with John being taken to the throne room:

"Immediately I was in the Spirit and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne".... and He who was sitting was like.....

Then Rev 4:3 to 4:8 goes on to describe what John saw around the "ONE sitting on the throne"

Rev 4:8...."and day and night they do not cease to say,

                      "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is THE LORD GOD, THE ALMIGHTY,                                                   WHO WAS AND WHO IS AND WHO IS TO COME"

( a reference back to Rev 1:7, Jesus' signifying mark...  The 4 living creatures do not cease to say this. They declare it is Jesus)

Rev 4:11.... "WORTHY ARE YOU, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and because of your will they existed, and were created"

( John 1:1-3..."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING THROUGH HIM, AND APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING THAT HAS COME INTO BEING)

Jesus was always WORTHY, from the beginning, as scripture plainly declares. HE is the Creator.

John continues in Rev. (There are no chapter breaks)

"I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne"..... stop right here....

Who did John describe sitting on the throne at the beginning of Rev 4????

And here he is "seeing a book in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne"

It is Jesus who John described and saw sitting on the throne.

And a strong angel then proclaimed with a loud thunderous voice....."Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"

Jesus was just declared by every being around the throne including the strong angel, to be "WORTHY" ..... 

The narrative continues and one of the elders declared to John.....

           "BEHOLD, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to OPEN THE BOOK AND ITS SEVEN SEALS"

Right here we are told who has overcome to open the book.

And it is the LION from the tribe of Judah and the Root of David who has overcome and can open the book

Continuing on.....

A  Lamb is seen between the throne and the elders, and took the book out of the hand of the ONE SITTING ON THE THRONE, and the creatures and elders fell down before the Lamb and sang a song:

                   "Worthy are you to take the book and break its seals; for you were slain and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth"

Then the angels around the throne declared:

                     "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing....

And every created thing that was in heaven, and on the earth and sea declred:

                      "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever"

So.... it is Jesus who is WORTHY and always has been....and it is the LION of Judah who is Worthy and always has been and it is the LAMB who is worthy and always has been since the foundation of the world.... because it is Jesus that had been slain.

So yes, I will stand by what I said to you.... that it is heresy to declare that Jesus, the Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, the Lion from Judah, the Lamb of God...... was not WORTHY at any point in time.

He has always been WORTHY!

17 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Reading on, we find that Jesus had to raise from the dead to become worthy to open the seals.

You are clearly reading into what is written. And adding into what is written.

That's a BIG NO NO brother!

Happy New Year..... God Bless!

 

[iamlamad]

22 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Rev 1:7:

"BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen

"I am the Alpha and the Omega", says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Here , in Rev 1:7, is Jesus' signifying mark..... "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty"

Rev 4 begins with John being taken to the throne room:

"Immediately I was in the Spirit and behold, a throne was standing in heaven, and One sitting on the throne".... and He who was sitting was like.....

Then Rev 4:3 to 4:8 goes on to describe what John saw around the "ONE sitting on the throne"

Rev 4:8...."and day and night they do not cease to say,

                      "HOLY, HOLY, HOLY is THE LORD GOD, THE ALMIGHTY,                                                   WHO WAS AND WHO IS AND WHO IS TO COME"

( a reference back to Rev 1:7, Jesus' signifying mark...  The 4 living creatures do not cease to say this. They declare it is Jesus)

Rev 4:11.... "WORTHY ARE YOU, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and because of your will they existed, and were created"

( John 1:1-3..."In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. ALL THINGS CAME INTO BEING THROUGH HIM, AND APART FROM HIM NOTHING CAME INTO BEING THAT HAS COME INTO BEING)

Jesus was always WORTHY, from the beginning, as scripture plainly declares. HE is the Creator.

John continues in Rev. (There are no chapter breaks)

"I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne"..... stop right here....

Who did John describe sitting on the throne at the beginning of Rev 4????

And here he is "seeing a book in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne"

It is Jesus who John described and saw sitting on the throne.

And a strong angel then proclaimed with a loud thunderous voice....."Who is worthy to open the book and to break its seals?"

Jesus was just declared by every being around the throne including the strong angel, to be "WORTHY" ..... 

The narrative continues and one of the elders declared to John.....

           "BEHOLD, the Lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome so as to OPEN THE BOOK AND ITS SEVEN SEALS"

Right here we are told who has overcome to open the book.

And it is the LION from the tribe of Judah and the Root of David who has overcome and can open the book

Continuing on.....

A  Lamb is seen between the throne and the elders, and took the book out of the hand of the ONE SITTING ON THE THRONE, and the creatures and elders fell down before the Lamb and sang a song:

                   "Worthy are you to take the book and break its seals; for you were slain and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth"

Then the angels around the throne declared:

                     "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing....

And every created thing that was in heaven, and on the earth and sea declred:

                      "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever"

So.... it is Jesus who is WORTHY and always has been....and it is the LION of Judah who is Worthy and always has been and it is the LAMB who is worthy and always has been since the foundation of the world.... because it is Jesus that had been slain.

So yes, I will stand by what I said to you.... that it is heresy to declare that Jesus, the Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, the Lion from Judah, the Lamb of God...... was not WORTHY at any point in time.

He has always been WORTHY!

You are clearly reading into what is written. And adding into what is written.

That's a BIG NO NO brother!

Happy New Year..... God Bless!

 

What did Jesus OVERCOME to become worthy to open the seals?
I submit Jesus had not risen from the dead. Before He rose from the dead, he was NOT worthy to open the seals. After he rose from the dead, He was THEN worthy.
 

What did Jesus overcome as a man that no other man including Adam could not do? He took His live back and rose from the dead.

God was establishing TIME and TIMING in chapters 4 & 5: a time BEFORE Christ rose from the dead (the Holy Spirit still in the throne room and NO MAN found worthy)  - to a time AFTER Christ rose from the dead and was immediately found worthy.

It is not written, but we can guess that the requirements of who could open the seals was written on the OUTSIDE of the book. My guess is, one requirement is, it had to be a man who could escape out of hell and resurrect his dead body - in short, a man with the power of resurrection. I further guess, Satan demanded such a thing be included. I am convinced he thought NO ONE could ever escape from his hell.

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Jesus who is WORTHY and always has been

You have not explained why the search John watched to FIND someone worthy ended in failure to find - and why John wrote, 

Revelation 5:3  And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

According to your theory, Jesus had to cease to exist during this search. Or for some unknown reason, refused to answer the call, WHO IS WORTHY? This is VERY unlikely.

Let's just let the Word speak: a search was made and at that time NO MAN was found worthy anywhere man were found: in heaven, on earth and under the earth.

Then, we need to ask ourselves, WHY was Jesus not found worthy THEN? It has to have something to do with the word "overcome." John wrote that Jesus OVERCAME to be found worthy. That tells me that before Jesus "overcame" is probably why He was NOT found worthy in that first search.

Question: if it was Jesus on the throne, then WHERE was the Father? I submit, when anyone sees a being on the throne, it is ALWAYS the Father, and if Jesus is there, HE is seen at the father's right hand, as when Stephen saw Them.

I don't think you have read this passage carefully enough. Furthermore, I don't think you believe it was Jesus that taught me. If you remember, I have previously shown you the three questions He asked me.  I think you have ignored them.

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

What did Jesus OVERCOME to become worthy to open the seals?
I submit Jesus had not risen from the dead. Before He rose from the dead, he was NOT worthy to open the seals. After he rose from the dead, He was THEN worthy.
 

What did Jesus overcome as a man that no other man including Adam could not do? He took His live back and rose from the dead.

God was establishing TIME and TIMING in chapters 4 & 5: a time BEFORE Christ rose from the dead (the Holy Spirit still in the throne room and NO MAN found worthy)  - to a time AFTER Christ rose from the dead and was immediately found worthy.

It is not written, but we can guess that the requirements of who could open the seals was written on the OUTSIDE of the book. My guess is, one requirement is, it had to be a man who could escape out of hell and resurrect his dead body - in short, a man with the power of resurrection. I further guess, Satan demanded such a thing be included. I am convinced he thought NO ONE could ever escape from his hell.

You have not explained why the search John watched to FIND someone worthy ended in failure to find - and why John wrote, 

Revelation 5:3  And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

According to your theory, Jesus had to cease to exist during this search. Or for some unknown reason, refused to answer the call, WHO IS WORTHY? This is VERY unlikely.

Let's just let the Word speak: a search was made and at that time NO MAN was found worthy anywhere man were found: in heaven, on earth and under the earth.

Then, we need to ask ourselves, WHY was Jesus not found worthy THEN? It has to have something to do with the word "overcome." John wrote that Jesus OVERCAME to be found worthy. That tells me that before Jesus "overcame" is probably why He was NOT found worthy in that first search.

Question: if it was Jesus on the throne, then WHERE was the Father? I submit, when anyone sees a being on the throne, it is ALWAYS the Father, and if Jesus is there, HE is seen at the father's right hand, as when Stephen saw Them.

I don't think you have read this passage carefully enough. Furthermore, I don't think you believe it was Jesus that taught me. If you remember, I have previously shown you the three questions He asked me.  I think you have ignored them.

You have based your entire theory on conjecture and opinion. 

"It is not written but we can guess......my guess is..... I further guess"

You are on thin ice brother!

[JoeCanada]

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

What did Jesus OVERCOME to become worthy to open the seals?
I submit Jesus had not risen from the dead. Before He rose from the dead, he was NOT worthy to open the seals. After he rose from the dead, He was THEN worthy.

Well, this is just pure nonsense.

"I submit"..... 

What is that supposed to mean?

I submit it is pure conjecture, as scripture declares no such thing.

The only reason that you come up with this is to satisfy your own version of end times.

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

God was establishing TIME and TIMING in chapters 4 & 5: a time BEFORE Christ rose from the dead (the Holy Spirit still in the throne room and NO MAN found worthy)  - to a time AFTER Christ rose from the dead and was immediately found worthy.

Nonsense. Pure gibberish.

And the Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is not written, but we can guess that the requirements of who could open the seals was written on the OUTSIDE of the book. My guess is, one requirement is, it had to be a man who could escape out of hell and resurrect his dead body - in short, a man with the power of resurrection. I further guess, Satan demanded such a thing be included. I am convinced he thought NO ONE could ever escape from his hell.

You might have had too much turkey for Christmas dinner.

Where do you come up with this stuff. I mean....seriously!

"It is not written but"....... 

Yup...... and there it is.....

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

According to your theory, Jesus had to cease to exist during this search. Or for some unknown reason, refused to answer the call, WHO IS WORTHY? This is VERY unlikely.

Read and park yourself on Rev 4:5 to 5:5.

Jesus was right there on the throne..... but you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

9 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I submit, when anyone sees a being on the throne, it is ALWAYS the Father,

arrrrgggghhhh!

Read REv 4:1-10

Rev 4:9-11

"And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,  the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”

There it is!. Scripture speaks. 

It is Jesus, the creator, who sits on the throne.

 

10 hours ago, iamlamad said:

I don't think you have read this passage carefully enough. 

DID YOU even read it?????

Or do you just give it a quick glance?

 

[iamlamad]

19 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

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What did Jesus OVERCOME to become worthy to open the seals?
I submit Jesus had not risen from the dead. Before He rose from the dead, he was NOT worthy to open the seals. After he rose from the dead, He was THEN worth

Well, this is just pure nonsense.

"I submit"..... 

What is that supposed to mean?

I submit it is pure conjecture, as scripture declares no such thing.

The only reason that you come up with this is to satisfy your own version of end times.

Submit: offer up a suggestion. 

It is NOT nonsense. If you don't understand, then GET understanding. Mediate on this passage. 

What does the WORD say?

Jesus was NOT found worthy.
Jesus "overcome"
Jesus then FOUND worthy.

This is what is written. It should be obvious then that whatever Jesus overcome CAUSED Him to then be worthy to take the book and open the seals.

Does it not make sense then that written on the outside of the book instructions on WHO would be worthy to take the book and open the seals.

Since this book finally gets Satan dethroned from being god of this world, does it not make sense that he would demand something impossible (in his thinking)  to get the seals opened?

What did Jesus overcome that no man before ever did? DEATH. Jesus SAID He could lay down His life and take it up again, then DID IT to PROVE IT.

Therefore I believe John meant Jesus overcame DEATH.

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The only reason that you come up with this is to satisfy your own version of end times.

Not so. I came with an empty slate and asked God to teach me. He DID teach me. What I present here is what Jesus presented to me: HIS intent in this passage.

[iamlamad]

19 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

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God was establishing TIME and TIMING in chapters 4 & 5: a time BEFORE Christ rose from the dead (the Holy Spirit still in the throne room and NO MAN found worthy)  - to a time AFTER Christ rose from the dead and was immediately found worthy.

Nonsense. Pure gibberish.

And the Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

How interesting: the first words Jesus spoke to me about John weeping much is, 
"It shows timing."

then:

"It also shows the movement of time."

You disagree, but the verses SHOW US timing and the movement of time. This is why I said you need to study it more.

If the Holy Spirit is omnipresent, then He is also right where John SAW Him, in the throne room of heaven.  Can you explain that?

Stephen SAW Jesus at the right hand of the Father, presumably in the throne room.
Can you explain why, when John looked into the throne room, He did NOT see what Stephen saw? John saw only ONE entity on the throne. I believe that MUST be the Father, for if Jesus were there, He would be seen at the Father's right hand. We have over a dozen verses placing Him there.

I have to wonder and someone that imagines the truth of scripture as "nonsense."

[iamlamad]

19 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

It is not written, but we can guess that the requirements of who could open the seals was written on the OUTSIDE of the book. My guess is, one requirement is, it had to be a man who could escape out of hell and resurrect his dead body - in short, a man with the power of resurrection. I further guess, Satan demanded such a thing be included. I am convinced he thought NO ONE could ever escape from his hell.

You might have had too much turkey for Christmas dinner.

Where do you come up with this stuff. I mean....seriously!

"It is not written but"....... 

Yup...... and there it is.....

Read and park yourself on Rev 4:5 to 5:5.

Jesus was right there on the throne..... but you refuse to acknowledge that fact.

arrrrgggghhhh!

Read REv 4:1-10

Rev 4:9-11

"And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,  the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

11 “Worthy are You, our Lord and our God, to receive glory and honor and power; for You created all things, and because of Your will they existed, and were created.”

There it is!. Scripture speaks. 

It is Jesus, the creator, who sits on the throne.

 

DID YOU even read it?????

Or do you just give it a quick glance?

Perhaps it is you that did not read.

Matthew 22:44  The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Matthew 26:64  Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 12:36  For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
 
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Luke 22:69  Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Acts 2:33  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:34  For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Acts 7:55  But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Acts 7:56  And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Romans 8:34  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Ephesians 1:20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

Colossians 3:1  If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Hebrews 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Hebrews 8:1  Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

Hebrews 10:12  But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Hebrews 12:2  Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22  Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made
subject unto him.

Revelation 5:7  And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

See that last verse? Who took the book from whom, and where was whom seated?

It is God the FATHER seated on the throne, and Jesus came and took the book from the Father's hand. WHO was on the throne? WHO? It is the Father.

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arrrrgggghhhh!

Just relax and admit you are mistaken. It is not that difficult.

What can we understand from all these passages? If someone looks into the throne room of today, and sees ONE in the throne, it is going to be the FATHER. If they see TWO on the throne, it is Jesus at the FAther's right hand.

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Read REv 4:1-10

Pay close attention: John saw ONE on the throne. He did NOT see anyone besides the ONE on the throne. We have over a dozen verses telling us Jesus went to sit at the Father's right hand. Therefore, it can be NO OTHER than the FATHER seated on the throne. This is confirmed when Jesus came to the Father on the throne and took the book.

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Where do you come up with this stuff. I mean....seriously!

Did you not read: 5:1 ... a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

It is written inside, where nothing can be read until the book can be opened, but it is also written on the backside, VISIBLE with all the seals intact. 

Does it not make good sense that what is written on the OUTSIDE would be about WHO is worthy to open the seals?