The Beast Is Not a (Seven-headed!) Man

[Marilyn C]

On 12/10/2022 at 12:28 AM, Dennis1209 said:

We get into some interesting discussions, Marilyn.  😊

 

Hi Dennis,

Now I thought you would be interested in what I have just heard. I was going through the channels on our TV and stopped at a Jimmy Swaggart Classic of 1982, (40 years ago). Well, Jimmy mentioned the Rapture, so I listened a bit more. He went on to talk about the Russian bear of the north and its aims of world domination.

Then Jimmy mentioned the anti-Christ and that he would come from IRAQ, the old Assyrian Empire. And we know that Jimmy had (& has) a very large following. So, there you are, an international speaker believing that the anti-Christ would come from the Muslims and NOT the EU.  

Just to point out that not everyone believed the RRE view. My denomination (Apostolic Worldwide from the Welsh Revival) also believed it would be from the Muslims. 

Marilyn.

 

[truth7t7]

5 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Now I thought you would be interested in what I have just heard. I was going through the channels on our TV and stopped at a Jimmy Swaggart Classic of 1982, (40 years ago). Well, Jimmy mentioned the Rapture, so I listened a bit more. He went on to talk about the Russian bear of the north and its aims of world domination.

Then Jimmy mentioned the anti-Christ and that he would come from IRAQ, the old Assyrian Empire. And we know that Jimmy had (& has) a very large following. So, there you are, an international speaker believing that the anti-Christ would come from the Muslims and NOT the EU.  

Just to point out that not everyone believed the RRE view. My denomination (Apostolic Worldwide from the Welsh Revival) also believed it would be from the Muslims. 

Marilyn.

 

Jimmy Swaggart, the guy from Louisiana USA, that was caught several times with prostitutes?

[Dennis1209]

10 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Dennis,

Now I thought you would be interested in what I have just heard. I was going through the channels on our TV and stopped at a Jimmy Swaggart Classic of 1982, (40 years ago). Well, Jimmy mentioned the Rapture, so I listened a bit more. He went on to talk about the Russian bear of the north and its aims of world domination.

Then Jimmy mentioned the anti-Christ and that he would come from IRAQ, the old Assyrian Empire. And we know that Jimmy had (& has) a very large following. So, there you are, an international speaker believing that the anti-Christ would come from the Muslims and NOT the EU.  

Just to point out that not everyone believed the RRE view. My denomination (Apostolic Worldwide from the Welsh Revival) also believed it would be from the Muslims. 

Marilyn.

 

Agreed, one of the many names and titles of the Antichrist is the Assyrian (Isa. 10:5; 10:24; 14:25), and in its glory, it included almost all of Iraq. Today the demographics of Iraq are 65% Arabs and 30% Kurds (formally Medians). Of that, about 62% are Shia Muslims, 31% Sunni, and the rest others.

We know the history of the Assyrian aggression toward Israel and the global dispersion of the ten northern tribes. The Lord decimated the Assyrian Army, sending one Destroying Angel and killing 185,000 soldiers overnight. The Lord used Babylon to finish them off. Does any of this tell us anything?

The way I currently see it, Israel knowingly signs a covenant with death and hell (Antichrist). They have a weak government and are split, as they are experiencing today. Israel will not have a choice because some “scourge” is heading their way that they cannot defend, threatening their very existence. The Antichrist will come in his own name, and they will, for a time, acknowledge him.

Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

I cannot see Jewry embracing and accepting an Islamic messiah ever. If this remains true, his background must be associated with Assyria (or Iraq) or where he was born. He is distanced from the God of his fathers. By this statement, and with the uppercase “God” (ʼĕlôhîym, the supreme God), this can only be of Jewish lineage.

Thus, he could be viewed as the Jewish Messiah with his proven Jewry lineage, his cunning, intrigue, lying signs, and his wonders.

He is either celibate, homosexual, or has no sexual attractions whatsoever.

As I touched on, at present Israel is on Muslim soil negotiating normal relations with Islamic nations, as part of the Abraham Accords. The main prize will be when Saudi Arabia signs on. I believe this is in preparation for prophetic fulfillment in God’s timing.

Daniel 9:27 (KJV) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I suspect an existing covenant (or agreement) is already successful and in place (Trump-Abraham Accords), that Antichrist will strengthen and guarantee for seven years. To sweeten the deal, he will allow the Temple to be built. Jordan now controls the Temple Mount, but that is going to change.

I suspect this generation will witness it all.

[WilliamL]

On 12/6/2022 at 4:07 PM, AdHoc said:

On 12/6/2022 at 3:24 PM, WilliamL said:

But "he" is also used scripturally when referring to Satan, Gabriel, and other angels, so one cannot presume only a human use in Rev. 13 would apply.

"presume"? Why did you not mention my argument?

But I will answer yours:

Because in Daniel 9 "he" is PRINCE of the People.

Daniel 9:21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man/ish Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me...

On 12/6/2022 at 4:07 PM, AdHoc said:

Because he was one of five kings who have "fallen" and an angel cannot die

Falling and dying are not necessarily that same thing.

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

But he didn't die...

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Falling and dying are not necessarily that same thing.

Luke 10:18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

But he didn't die...

Three times in verses 8 and 11 it is said of the Beast "was and is not" - the same terminology for Jesus in Chapter 1:4 & 8. Both are MEN, Both DIED, both are resurrected. I think it's time to drop this dispute as well.

[Marilyn C]

18 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

Jimmy Swaggart, the guy from Louisiana USA, that was caught several times with prostitutes?

Jesus said, "He who is without sin cast the first stone."

[douggg]

The individual in question cannot be muslim because to become the Antichrist, mistakened false messiah by the Jews for awhile, he will have to be a Jew and his religion Judaism.

I am watching Zelenski as "maybe" the person.

And the Yanuka - Shlomo Yehuda - as maybe the false prophet and/or future high priest, when the Jews begin doing animal sacrifices again on the temple mount.

Go to Gematrix.org site and type in "Shlomo Yehda" leaving out the "u".

See what you get.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by douggg

[WilliamL]

On 12/11/2022 at 4:07 PM, AdHoc said:

Three times in verses 8 and 11 it is said of the Beast "was and is not" - the same terminology for Jesus in Chapter 1:4 & 8. Both are MEN, Both DIED, both are resurrected. I think it's time to drop this dispute as well.

Rev. 14 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, ... 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Nothing in these verses say anything about "is not." Get your facts straight.

[AdHoc]

On 12/16/2022 at 9:55 PM, WilliamL said:

Rev. 14 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, ... 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Nothing in these verses say anything about "is not." Get your facts straight.

The astute scholar would agree with me. I said "terminology". Thus, Christ, because He is RISEN is; "was and IS and IS to come". The Beast, because he is not yet risen is; was, and IS NOT and IS to come. But if you feel you've established something - be my guest. May the reader judge.

[Revelation Man]

On 11/30/2022 at 2:59 PM, WilliamL said:

It is widely taught in the Church that the Beast of Revelation 13 will be a man. Revelation 13’s Beast has “seven heads and ten horns.” Rev. 13:1; 17:3 There never has been, nor ever will be, such a man.

We find in Revelation 12:3 that the Devil/Satan/Dragon also has seven heads and ten horns. Satan is an angelic spirit.

Think of this as God showing us a figurative Seven Headed Beast over Israel's whole history of wickedness in which she turned from her God unto false gods, thus God used these 7 powers to bring her unto repentance. 

1.) Egypt was the first power and God used Egypt to help form Israel. {{  Now since 7 can mean completeness, it could just mean all four Beasts from Daniel, plus the Anti-Christ. I see it as 7 powers because of Rev. 17 where 5 kings have fallen, one is and one is yet to come. }}

2.) Assyria conquered and toted off the Northern tribes in  722 BC.

3.) Babylon toted off Israel in 597 BC.

4.) Persia conquered Babylon in 539 BC. 

5.) Greece conquered Persia in  482-479

6.) Rome and Greece ruled at the same time but Rome eventually took over Judah from Israel who had beat back Greece. 

7.) The Coming Anti-Christ will soon conquer Israel and Jerusalem. We know he's a man because Dan. 7:11 tells us the Beasts BODY is destroyed and he is cast into hellfire. Rev. 19:20 tells us the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hellfire.

So, why is the Last Beast only a man? Because he both ARISES (mountain in Rev. 17) and FALLS (7 kings who fall) unlike any other Beast, who passed their kingdoms on to others, he rules for a short time (one hour which means 42 months), thus he alone is the end time Beast. Remember Daniel says 4 kings arose as Beasts in Dan. 7:17, the difference is all became Kingdoms of many kings later on.

Dan. 7:17  These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The difference in the last beast is he never passes his kingdom on.

So, when God speaks of this figurative Beast, notice how each one has CROWNS on different things. The Red Dragon(Satan) of Rev. 12 has crowns on the 7 Heads, he's over each kingdom which conquers Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region, just as he is over all the kingdoms of the world, see Luke 4 and Jesus' temptation, he offered Jesus every kingdom if he would just bow down unto and worship him. 

The Beast, Anti-Christ or Little Horn of Rev. 13 has the CROWNS on the 10 Horns (Complete Europe reunified) because he comes to power in the E.U. in the end times. He is thus the 7th Head. 

In Rev. 17 the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS on the 7 Headed 10 Horned Beast because he is only a Demon (Apollyon) who is under Satan on this earth, and is not a Human so he can never have a Crown on this earth. But he has one Kingdom, he's over the bottomless pit, thus he is ONLY of the 7, but he is an 8th king, God loves His riddles.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Revelation Man