Mark of beast beheadings

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

This is an interesting view. 

I agree it is an interesting view...thank you...and thank you for posting your perspective...here above...I hope to bring in some fresh manna.

Clearly the Lord is imparting new understanding...of the scriptures...and creation…as the ages of creation pass...things that previously were not "revealed" or "opened" to the Body.

As Paul says there are mysteries hidden in God from the beginning of the ages past...Daniel was told not to worry about understanding part of one of his visions of the future because it was for the end of the age...no revelation was given to Daniel regarding that issue...it was sealed unto the time of the end of this creation Marv…which would then be “opened or revealed” by the Holy Spirit…to His Body…the Sons of God on earth.

Why would God do it that way? It’s a good thing He does…because it allows us all to see the absolute consistency of His “Word” and presence in creation and eternity since the “beginning” via the Holy Spirit and sacred scriptures…we are learning His language…the language of the kingdom and the Spirit.

Genesis…is the beginning…Revelation contains the culmination of this creation…and the testimony of Christ fills the gap…this in the light of His plan for His Son…there is the opposition to the Son of God in there as well.

The challenge for people pursuing Christ today…is centered in the belief…that Yahshua Christ is raising the Sons of God on earth today…and is doing it via an intimate relationship “koinonia” involving each of us. His Sons as we are called…are the constant inheritors of a direct and fresh revelation…interaction and communication and above all…Love.

Many think they received the Holy Spirit so they can go to heaven when they die…when in reality…the Holy Spirit is given to the sons of men to become the mature Sons of God…this through the intimate communion of the “Father Son” relationship with the Lord.

This re-establishes a “Spirit to Spirit” connection to God…that Adam lost in his fall…and thus…reinstates our mandate to rule the earth…in the image and likeness of God as experienced and expressed in the living Christ Himself. That is how the eternal God is experienced as He wishes in creation via humanity…seriously this is awesome…it is for whosoever will.

Our God loves intimacy with us His Sons…so He gave us a kingdom spanning from the created heavens and earth on into eternity…and an amazing King and Lord known as Christ Yahshua the Royal Priest Himself. Whom…He Himself lives His life through…abides with and dwells in…we are His Sons…on earth and in heaven and that’s what sets us apart from the world.

The Holy Spirit is given to mature us…raise us up that Spirit to Spirit connection to our spirits…converting or maybe training our souls to obey the Spirit of Lord in all he teaches us to do with their lives. This is how we become like Him…there is no other way…it is His way…in fact He is the way.

Those who claim Christ as Lord…today…and consume “old manna” as nutrition for today…at the rejection of the fresh bread of life that is being given for today…forfeit the benefit of both…they are deceived Marv…it is an issue of faith, rebellion and unbelief…think about that.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

4 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

My take is that God is in the Third Heaven on His Throne, and Christ at His right hand.  This same God (Father) does not come to this earth until the New Jerusalem comes down, and then the God (Father) in Heaven can now dwell with men (Rev 21:3).  My take is that the Throne is in Heaven, Satan must go there to accuse the Brethren in Christ Jesus.  The Temple (a holy place) is also in Heaven; but were are also considered as a temple of God because of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.  And this is correct as you say since Pentecost..

Have you considered this Marv…? “His throne” is a symbol? Seen as symbolic of the “power and authority” of the King to whom the throne belongs? It is a common thought throughout the ages…really…it’s not that hard to envision.

Many think that the Spirit of God who is eternal…”sits”…on a “literal” throne…yes …I have met some of them? And as such…they see Yahshua in some way “existing” on the right side of that throne in a distant heaven and the right hand of the Father? To them…and I know it’s true…it’s a “difficult to interpret and explain” spiritual thing I suppose. I would certainly caution against that perspective.

I know that is what is says Marv…however as I said before we need to learn how to interpret the kingdom and spiritual language whenever it is presented to us…it’s called it revelation…and it reveals the mighty God in Christ. If everything was to happen in the flesh only…then we would not need the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit makes us one with God via Christ Yahshua…in Spirit.

The throne of God is the centerpiece of eternity…symbolizing the power and authority…of God himself. The symbolic reference to a “right hand” is in reference to the “one" who Holds that Power and authority. We know who has all authority in heaven [eternal and created] and on earth [created]…The Lord Yahshua Christ…He said so Himself and proved it with His life.

The throne of God is nothing less than the eternal rule…over all of creation…which is contained or held in the eternity of God. Christ the Holy Spirit is the ruler…the throne of God is His.

Being that Christ is eternal…yes…His throne encompasses the third heaven…however…as the Spirit of God… all of the created heavens…the second heaven…and earth are included in the rule of the throne of Christ. In other words He is in all…through all…all in all. You have the Holy Spirit Marv…test this with him.

Now…the scripture tells us and Spirit confirms…that the Holy Spirit of the living God can and indeed does take up His residence in the spirit of man…we are called the “Sons of God.” We should understand…”but many either reject or don’t understand”…that the Holy Spirit of the living God was in Christ while He was on the earth in a human body.

So…where was the throne of God? Right here on earth in His temple…right…Christ’s body…and in the eternal heavens….He is Spirit. His Spirit transcends the veil between the created and the eternal…of course...he is the Creator.

Yahshua prayed that as He…Himself and the Father are “One”…this is not a “flesh to flesh” union…God is Spirit… it is a "Spirit to Spirit" union…the Spirit in Christ and the Spirit of God became “one Holy Spirit.” Yeh this is so powerful…that’s why Our Lord is described as the “fullness of the godhead in bodily form.”

How else would the eternal God reveal Himself to His creation...but to become incarnate in Christ Yahshua for us to behold? Great is the mystery of godliness…

So…Father God…Spirit…is pleased with His Son…flesh…Yahshua in whom He dwells fully…and when the sacrifice of this beloved only begotten Son was offered…it was seen as pleasing and perfect and as such it was accepted…50 days later on the following Pentecost…after our Lord was completely and utterly glorified…by God…Christ Yahshua sent His Holy Spirit…the same Holy Spirit that made Him and His Father “One Spirit”…back to earth to indwell humanity and begin to construct the “Temple of God” on earth...in which the throne of God is revealed…in humans known as the Sons of God and the Body of Christ…and they are given their own Spirit kingdom…it is here today.

So all of that to try to show whosoever will…that the throne of God…the temple of God…the Holy Spirit of God belongs to Christ Yahshua who is God…and He has made His Spirit “One” with our spirit…and we are now “One” with Him…just as He is “One” with His Father…exactly as He prayed…He was answered.

All of this exists eternally…it includes creation and eternity simultaneously…because He is God…He is not limited to creation or time and space.

That should explain why Satan the dragon and his fallen entourage are expelled from that second heaven by Michael the prince and his fellows. The beast of Satan…is a created reality…he is not eternal…once he is thrown to the earth and loses the cover of the invisible realm he will become incarnate.

So who else is on the earth at that time...the incarnate God in the fullness of Christ…Head and Body…the Son of God...many tribes, tongues, people and nations are included in that Son.

He is here now beloved…He is preparing us for this end of the age “show down.” The rule of the nations will be given to Christ...head and Body. However this battle will take place here on earth...where the temple...throne...and Son of the living God are being made manifest...get you some...

There is so much more Marv…later

Tatwo...:)

[Montana Marv]

14 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Many think that the Spirit of God who is eternal…”sits”…on a “literal” throne…yes …I have met some of them? And as such…they see Yahshua in some way “existing” on the right side of that throne in a distant heaven and the right hand of the Father? To them…and I know it’s true…it’s a “difficult to interpret and explain” spiritual thing I suppose. I would certainly caution against that perspective.

That is why "In the Beginning" before all was made that was made; The seen, the unseen, The spiritual, Powers to be.  Before All Creation, there was ONE.  His Throne is but a symbol, but only for His Creation.  All Creation needs a place to come to Worship, And He provided that place.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

tatwo

In Essence:  Before Abraham was, "I AM",  Before all that was made. that was made, "I AM".  I cannot go back any further.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

23 hours ago, bloom said:

Rev. 13:1 , 10 horns and 10 crowns. How is this possible?  

10 Kingdoms in power,  10 powerful Kingdoms

[bloom]

22 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

10 Kingdoms in power,  10 powerful Kingdoms

And what is the definition of power and still be a part of the antichrist beast head?

[iamlamad]

On 2/19/2023 at 9:56 PM, doubleplay425 said:

Hi I've lurked here on and off over the past several years. There is something I'd like to ask about the mark of the beast. 

Can it be said that it must be in the future because there has never been a historical record of people being beheaded for refusing it? 

Has there been any historical accounts of such a thing taking place? 

"And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"

Thanks! 

Of course it is future. The beheadings over the mark cannot happen until first the mark and the image are created. Since they are created by the Beast and False Prophet, these two must show up first. According to John in Revelation, the beast will not come into power until the midpoint of the 70th Week. 

We cannot arrive at the midpoint of the week until first the week begins. The Week cannot begin until first the Day of the Lord begins. The Day of the Lord cannot begin (God's wrath) until first the rapture takes place.

We are NOT in the tribulation.

[Shilohsfoal]

On 2/19/2023 at 9:56 PM, doubleplay425 said:

Hi I've lurked here on and off over the past several years. There is something I'd like to ask about the mark of the beast. 

Can it be said that it must be in the future because there has never been a historical record of people being beheaded for refusing it? 

Has there been any historical accounts of such a thing taking place? 

"And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years"

Thanks! 

According to the verse you posted,they are not beheaded for refusing the mark of the beast.They are killed because of their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God.

Preaching the gospel can get you killed in certain places.

 

[FJK]

10 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Preaching the gospel can get you killed in certain places.

Eventually, and probably much sooner than most people would think, it will be in all places.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, FJK said:

Eventually, and probably much sooner than most people would think, it will be in all places.

I believe scripture is pretty specific about the end times and those who are killed for preaching the gospel.It pretty much pin points an exact location concerning these events.Like I mentioned before though.It pays to compare scripture .

Mathew 10:23

When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.