FreeGrace Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,450 Content Per Day: 8.15 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said: Thats fine Believe what you want. Everyone does. I believe what the Bible says clearly, unambiguously, PRECISELY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, FreeGrace said: please note that Jesus gives the gift of eternal life WHEN a person becomes a believer, per John 5:24. And in 10:28 He says that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. And Rom 8:38 says that even nothing in the present or future shall separate us from the love of Christ. So, from the MOMENT one believes and receives eternal life, they shall never perish. That is grace. We are saved by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 Jesus also said those who Love me keep my commandments. Those who live after their flesh willfully are not keeping His commandments . Does God look the other way? Those who sin willfully will not enter into Gods kingdom. Edited August 26, 2023 by Mike Mclees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,463 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,319 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 46 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said: Jesus also said those who Love me keep my commandments. Those who live after their flesh willfully are not keeping His commandments . Does God look the other way? Those who sin willfully will not enter into Gods kingdom. There is certainly discipline for God's children (AKA - after they are born-again with His life in them) and consequences "for things done while in the body" as per 2nd Corinthians 5:10 at the Judgement Seat of Christ. (FYI: I plan to start a sperate thread on this soon) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: There is certainly discipline for God's children (AKA - after they are born-again with His life in them) and consequences "for things done while in the body" as per 2nd Corinthians 5:10 at the Judgement Seat of Christ. (FYI: I plan to start a sperate thread on this soon) gal 5: 19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, quarreling, rivalry, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envying, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like. About these things I tell you again, as I have also told you in times past, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,463 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,319 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Mike Mclees said: gal 5: 19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are these: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, quarreling, rivalry, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 envying, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like. About these things I tell you again, as I have also told you in times past, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Yup - sounds like severe discipline to me. Do you see in that where someone ceases to be a child of God (their Father's life is removed from being in them)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: Yup - sounds like severe discipline to me. Do you see in that where someone ceases to be a child of God (their Father's life is removed from being in them)? Well I expected as much from you. I believe you want to corrupt Gods word against itself. You wanted something precise and a gave it to you. Like I stated once before. I'll see At the judgement seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,463 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,319 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said: Well I expected as much from you. I believe you want to corrupt Gods word against itself. You wanted something precise and a gave it to you. Like I stated once before. I'll see At the judgement seat. Sorry that you don't see the fundamental, over-arching principle of life in scripture. I thought I answered your question . . . Do you see in that (verses from Gal 5:19-21) where someone ceases to be a child of God (their Father's life is removed from being in them)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Mclees Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 1,915 Content Per Day: 0.80 Reputation: 910 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vine Abider said: Sorry that you don't see the fundamental, over-arching principle of life in scripture. I thought I answered your question . . . Do you see in that (verses from Gal 5:19-21) where someone ceases to be a child of God (their Father's life is removed from being in them)? Do you see where God justifies flagrant living in unbelief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vine Abider Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 6 Topic Count: 201 Topics Per Day: 0.36 Content Count: 3,463 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 2,319 Days Won: 3 Joined: 10/25/2022 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/01/2024 Author Share Posted August 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said: Do you see where God justifies flagrant living in unbelief Not at all. Very real and often severe consequences & discipline for that - for the believer's own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted August 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,450 Content Per Day: 8.15 Reputation: 611 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted August 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said: FreeGrace said: please note that Jesus gives the gift of eternal life WHEN a person becomes a believer, per John 5:24. And in 10:28 He says that recipients of eternal life shall never perish. Jesus also said those who Love me keep my commandments. Yes, He did. How does that relate to loss of salvation or conditional salvation? 1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said: Those who live after their flesh willfully are not keeping His commandments . Does God look the other way? No, He sure doesn't. He will discipline His children just as the Bible commands parents to discipline theirs. Not kill them. Heb 12:11 teaches that God's discipline is painful. No one gets away with anything. 1 hour ago, Mike Mclees said: Those who sin willfully will not enter into Gods kingdom. Please provide any verse that says this clearly. Jesus Christ paid the sin debt for every sin. so how can any sin prevent any believer from entering into God's kingdom? I have shared John 5:24 and 10:28, but it seems there is a lot of resistance to what they teach. Why? When Jesus said recipients of eternal life, which is when a person becomes a believer (Jn 5:24) they shall never perish (Jn 10:28). Your comments show that you do not believe what He said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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