Explaining the Clay in the Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy

[Revelation Man]

Let's delve into the statue of Daniel chapter 2 and see if we can come to an understanding of who the last kingdom represents.

The Iron and Clay, who is this in prophecy? 

The Dream

Dan. 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands(Jesus), which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

The Interpretation

37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold(Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar was the Gold portion of the Statue). 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee(Persia/Silver part of the Statue), and another third kingdom of brass(Alexander the Great and Greece), which shall bear rule over all the earth(NOTE: All the earth is speaking about only the land being spoken about, the Mediterranean Sea Region, hence the Beasts all arose out of the great [Mediterranean] Sea).

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron(Rome): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

So, who is the "10" Iron & the Clay kings whom the end time beast/little horn arises from? That is the great debate isn't it? We have those whom says its a worldwide conglomeration of 10 regions, we have those who insist it is an end time Muslim leader because of the Assyrian angle we are given in Isaiah chapter 10. We have those who insist he must come from Syria because they are the ones Rome got to destroy Jerusalem in 70 AD thus the Dan. 9:27 prophecy can only be about them. So, lets look deeper into this original prophecy about the Statue. 

This image is good enough, however verse 42 cites only the toes as both iron & clay, so we get the Gold = Babylon, the Silver = Persia, the Brass = Greece, the Iron = Rome and the Iron & Clay = the 10 Toes or End Time Horns/Kings. So who do these 10 represent? That is the 64,000 dollar question. 

Well, it is "Iron" in the description right? So, the Iron Beast and the Iron and Clay has to be the same Beast [territory], except the Clay means they are Divided !! As we see know, the E.U. are many factions trying to be one, whilst Rome was one faction ruling over many nations. In the old days Rome made a decree and everyone had better heed that decree, today, the E.U. tries to decree something and other "nations" inside the E.U. will give push back, like Hungary and Poland not accepting illegal aliens etc. etc. or England voting to leave the E.U. So, in my opinion, the 10 simply means complete Europe Reunited, but not in the old Roman way, but instead in a political type way where they are together, but are still not a well oiled machine, they have leaks at the seams, they are Rome (Iron) but are seamed together by "Clay" not by welds or rivets that hold tightly. I think that is the image the Angels of God was trying to relay in this statue vision. The 10 toes (complete Rome/E.U. Reunited as "one") are Iron & Clay, partly strong and partly weak. 

I also think God gives us a three pronged prophecy about the coming end time Little Horn/A.C./Beast, and all three have to mesh together or it is a wrong assumption. So, let me lay those three out.

1.) Isaiah 10, this Beast/Little Horn has to be of Assyrian Blood lineage.

2.) Dan. 7:7-8, this Little Horn has to be from the Roman Empires head or territory via his "political realm".

3.) Dan 8:9, this Little Horn/A.C. must arise from one of the Four Generals empires and the end time King of the North (Dan. 11:40-43) must conquer from the Northwest corridor of this four way inter-kingdom battle. He conquers towards the south (Egypt/Ptolemy) towards the east (Turkey/Seleucus) and towards Israel, which leave him conquering from Cassander or Greece.

Putting it all together, because all three prophesies must be true, we can see that this man has to have Assyrian blood (Iraqi/Turk or Syrian) in his lineage, but he also has to be born in Greece, so his family somewhere down the road migrated to Greece. Now, being born in Greece gives this man the birthright to become the E.U. President(fulfilling Dan. 7:7-8), thus he can fulfill all three prophesies only by the scenario I laid out above. 

Thus, this end time Beast has to also have Iron in his mix, because the 10 toes have iron in the mix, meaning its the Old Rome territory reconstituted under another Beast, a man, who will never pass his kingdom on, thus he is the 7th Head of Rev. 13. 

In the end, these two maps below establish why the Iron moniker is used for the 10 toes.

Old Rome circa 117 AD.

The current European Union and the Nations in treaty with her in the European Neighborhood Policy(ENP) Agreements. 

There is no difference once the Little Horn conquers Israel and the MANY Countries in Dan. 11:40-43. The only difference is in the way these kingdoms were put together. One Conquered all the nations, pretty much and ruled in such a manner, and the other is a defacto political organization of a group of nations being held together by shoe polish. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Revelation Man

[AdHoc]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Let's delve into the statue of Daniel chapter 2 and see if we can come to an understanding of who the last kingdom represents.

The Iron and Clay, who is this in prophecy? 

The Dream

Dan. 2:31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands(Jesus), which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

The Interpretation

37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold(Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar was the Gold portion of the Statue). 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee(Persia/Silver part of the Statue), and another third kingdom of brass(Alexander the Great and Greece), which shall bear rule over all the earth(NOTE: All te earth is speaking about only the land being spoken about, the Mediterranean Sea Region, hence the Beasts all arose out of the great [Mediterranean] Sea).

40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron(Rome): forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

So, who is the "10" Iron & the Clay kings whom the end tie beast/little horn arises from? That is the great debate isn't it? We have those whom says its a worldwide conglomeration of 10 regions, we have those who insist it is an end time Muslim leader because of the Assyrian angle we are given in Isaiah chapter 10. We have those who insist he must come from Syria because they are the ones Rome got to destroy Jerusalem in 70 AD thus the Dan. 9:27 prophecy can only be about them. So, lets look deeper into this original prophecy about the Statue. 

This image is good enough, however verse 42 cites only the toes as both iron & clay, so we get the Gold = Babylon, the Silver = Persia, the Brass = Greece, the Iron = Rome and the Iron & Clay = the 10 Toes or End Time Horns/Kings. So who do these 10 represent? That is the 64,000 dollar question. 

Well, it is "Iron" in the description right? So, the Iron Beast and the Iron and Clay has to be the same Beast [territory], except the Clay means they are Divided !! As we see know, the E.U. are many factions trying to be one, whilst Rome was one faction ruling over many nations. In the old days Rome made a decree and everyone had better heed that decree, today, the E.U. tries to decree something and other "nations" inside the E.U. will give push back, like Hungary and Poland not accepting illegal aliens etc. etc. or England voting to leave the E.U. So, in my opinion, the 10 simply means complete Europe Reunited, but not in the old Roman way, but instead in a political type way where they are together, but are still not a well oiled machine, they have leaks at the seams, they are Rome (Iron) but are seamed together by Clay not by welds or rivets that hold tightly. I think that is the image the Angels of God was trying to relay in this statue vision. The 10 toes (complete Rome/E.U. Reunited as "one") are Iron & Clay, partly strong and partly weak. 

I also think God gives us a three pronged prophecy about the coming end time Little Horn/A.C./Beast, and all three have to mesh together or it is wrong. So, let me lay those three out.

1.) Isaiah 10, this Beast/Little Horn has to be of Assyrian Blood lineage.

2.) Dan. 7:7-9, this Little Horn has to be from the Roman Empires head or territory in his political realm.

3.) Dan 8:9, this Little Horn/A.C. must arise from one of the Four Generals empires and the the end time King of the North (Dan. 11:40-43) must conquer from the Northwest corridor of this four way inter-kingdom battle. He conquers towards the south (Egypt/Ptolemy) towards the east (Turkey/Seleucus) and towards Israel, which leave him conquering from Cassander or Greece.

Putting it all together, because all three prophesies must be true, we can see that this man has to have Assyrian blood (Iraqi/Turk or Syrian) in his lineage, but he also hast to be born in Greece, so his family somewhere down the road migrated to Greece. Now, being born in Greece gives this man the birthright to become the E.U. President(fulfilling Dan. 7:7-8), thus he can fulfill all three prophesies only by the scenario I laid out above. 

Thus, this end time Beast has to also have Iron in his mix, because the 10 toes have iron in the mix, meaning its the Old Rome territory reconstituted under another Beast, a man, who will never pass his kingdom on, thus he is the 7th Head of Rev. 13. 

In the end, these two maps below establish why the Iron moniker is used for the 10 toes.

Old Rome circa 117 AD.

The current European Union and the Nations in treaty with her in the European Neighborhood Policy(ENP) Agreements. 

There is no difference once the Little Horn conquers Israel and the MANY Countries in Dan. 11:40-43. The only difference is in the way these kingdoms were put together. One Conquered all the nations, pretty much and ruled in such a manner, and the other is a defacto political organization of a group of nations being held together by shoe polish. 

Nice scholarly study you made there. I think that there is one decisive point that many miss, and which, if dealt with, could be of great help. It is this.

The four (or five if you wish) world powers are consecutive. Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all followed one another. That is, by the time Greece ruled the known world, Babylon was long gone as a world power. So how come the little stone only defeats the last one, but destroys ALL of them. How can you destroy something that does not exist?

Quite a few questions will be answered if this can be solved.

[Revelation Man]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Nice scholarly study you made there. I think that there is one decisive point that many miss, and which, if dealt with, could be of great help. It is this.

The four (or five if you wish) world powers are consecutive. Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all followed one another. That is, by the time Greece ruled the known world, Babylon was long gone as a world power. So how come the little stone only defeats the last one, but destroys ALL of them. How can you destroy something that does not exist?

Quite a few questions will be answered if this can be solved.

Lets take the Church Age out of the picture for conjectures sake. Then we would have a Beast in Babylon, conquered by Persia, who were conquered by Greece, who co-reigned as a Beast at the same time Rome was a Beast, anyone ever think about that? Greece was a Beast over Israel whilst Rome was a Beast at the same time so to speak. Anyway, back to this Seven Headed Beast.

Rome, IMHO, received the mortal wound because of the Church Age, we the church took the fourth beast Rome from a beast to a nation and peoples who helped carry the Gospel unto the ends of the earth. Once the church is taken out of the way (2 Thess. 2) the Beast System will come back unto exactly what it was before the church age, but this time Rome will be headed by one man via a fractured political pact of nations (E.U.) 

I wanted to lay all that out so when I answer your studious question, I can maybe make sense (smile), hopefully. 

The reason the rock (Jesus) destroys all of the kingdoms at the end is, and this is just something I have thought through recently via Rome and Greece overlapping as beasts, because in the end they are all one in God's eyes. And this is why the Little Horn/A.C./Beast comes from "The Assyrian blood line", from the Grecian Kings via his birth, and via the Roman Political Realm in order for God to show us this is all of these kingdoms conjoined in reality. 

Personally, I think North & South America are burned to a crisp (the 1/3) and the USA is thus not a player anymore at all because of the Asteroid Impact in Rev. 8, but then that shed a new light on the term Kings of the East doesn't it? (I know my mind is warped, I think of all these scenarios, lol). So, now without any nations from the New World or West being in the picture, and since the E.U. Beast is the Roman Beast/Grecian Beast an d Assyrian Beast all represented in one man, who is left? Well, Persia and Babylon or Kings of the East, so God is basically saying I am going to destroy this whole Beast System in one thundering blow, it will be represented by Assyria, Greece and Rome, and the Kings of the East (Babylon and Persia). 

So, I think all of these gentile kingdoms in the region semi morph into one led by the E.U. in their hatred of the true God. So, whilst we see a pattern of kingdoms that come and go, God sees them all the same, as led by Satan. In the end, that is what they basically are, an extension of Satan. Make sense? 

[Diaste]

10 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Nice scholarly study you made there. I think that there is one decisive point that many miss, and which, if dealt with, could be of great help. It is this.

The four (or five if you wish) world powers are consecutive. Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome all followed one another. That is, by the time Greece ruled the known world, Babylon was long gone as a world power. So how come the little stone only defeats the last one, but destroys ALL of them. How can you destroy something that does not exist?

Quite a few questions will be answered if this can be solved.

The scripture specifically says the Diadochi followed the Grecian Empire. In Ch. 11 the prophecy begins with an iteration of this, and then follows the KOTS and KOTN with another one thrown in later in the guise of the eastern kingdom of Seleucus.

I think a lot of answers appear when Rome is factored out of the equation.

[AdHoc]

13 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Lets take the Church Age out of the picture for conjectures sake. Then we would have a Beast in Babylon, conquered by Persia, who were conquered by Greece, who co-reigned as a Beast at the same time Rome was a Beast, anyone ever think about that? Greece was a Beast over Israel whilst Rome was a Beast at the same time so to speak. Anyway, back to this Seven Headed Beast.

Rome, IMHO, received the mortal wound because of the Church Age, we the church took the fourth beast Rome from a beast to a nation and peoples who helped carry the Gospel unto the ends of the earth. Once the church is taken out of the way (2 Thess. 2) the Beast System will come back unto exactly what it was before the church age, but this time Rome will be headed by one man via a fractured political pact of nations (E.U.) 

I wanted to lay all that out so when I answer your studious question, I can maybe make sense (smile), hopefully. 

The reason the rock (Jesus) destroys all of the kingdoms at the end is, and this is just something I have thought through recently via Rome and Greece overlapping as beasts, because in the end they are all one in God's eyes. And this is why the Little Horn/A.C./Beast comes from "The Assyrian blood line", from the Grecian Kings via his birth, and via the Roman Political Realm in order for God to show us this is all of these kingdoms conjoined in reality. 

Personally, I think North & South America are burned to a crisp (the 1/3) and the USA is thus not a player anymore at all because of the Asteroid Impact in Rev. 8, but then that shed a new light on the term Kings of the East doesn't it? (I know my mind is warped, I think of all these scenarios, lol). So, now without any nations from the New World or West being in the picture, and since the E.U. Beast is the Roman Beast/Grecian Beast an d Assyrian Beast all represented in one man, who is left? Well, Persia and Babylon or Kings of the East, so God is basically saying I am going to destroy this whole Beast System in one thundering blow, it will be represented by Assyria, Greece and Rome, and the Kings of the East (Babylon and Persia). 

So, I think all of these gentile kingdoms in the region semi morph into one led by the E.U. in their hatred of the true God. So, whilst we see a pattern of kingdoms that come and go, God sees them all the same, as led by Satan. In the end, that is what they basically are, an extension of Satan. Make sense? 

 

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

The scripture specifically says the Diadochi followed the Grecian Empire. In Ch. 11 the prophecy begins with an iteration of this, and then follows the KOTS and KOTN with another one thrown in later in the guise of the eastern kingdom of Seleucus.

I think a lot of answers appear when Rome is factored out of the equation.

I am of course, like all men, subject to mistakes. So, with reservation I propose the following:

A man is prepared to suffer loss for a cause. be it his time, his money or his reputation, he will be prepared to suffer loss. But when it comes to his life, many refuse unless those endangered are dear to him. War is proof of this. It is a well documented narrative that tells of the duties of Russian Officers during the German offensive of the 2nd World War. They shot thousands of Russian foot soldiers for trying to abscond. That is, a man will not voluntarily go to his death for his country. They old call; "be prepared to die for your country" has been replaced by; "make your enemy die for his country!" The Russian infantry man has shown, together with just about every other nation's men that human life is very valuable. But there is an area where men will voluntarily die. That is, if you can get the to believe that you have power over their ETERNAL LIFE. The Muslim with his doctrine of 70 virgins and paradise, is a formidable soldier.

We Westerners judge a nation on its military prowess. And rightly so. The six world powers that have existed needed to militarily conquer their foes. But what made them superpowers? Rome shows us how. Their soldier BELIEVES in heaven, or a variant of paradise. It is man's BELIEF that makes him an effective soldier. I do not mean in the sense of training, for various countries have special forces who are highly effective. I mean, how do you mobilize the whole Nation? You get them to BELIEVE that you have power over what happens when they die. The Roman Catholics (1.3 billion) and the Muslims (1.6 billion) teach that their Church and its leadership have POWER OVER WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU AFTER YOUR DEATH. And most Christians on this Forum believe that their FAITH will settle things after death and FOREVER. 

"RELIGION is the opium of the people", said Mao. And it is this fact that God sees when He names "Mystery Babylon"! Daniel Chapter 2 shows us that the four world powers mentioned ARE ONE FIGURE! But everything was DIFFERENT! One "gold", another "silver". One Babylon, another Persia. One a Monarchy, another an Aristocracy. Even the languages changed. But the strength and life of the Effigy of Daniel Chapter 2 was that is had the SAME RELIGION. This was its common denominator. This was its cement. Nimrod built a SYSTEM OF RELIGION which made four antagonistic powers ONE FIGURE. And so, if the RELIGION is destroyed, then the whole figure is gone. What is the cohesive power that gives the Beast universal power? The answer is ONE MARK with the god's name on is in numerical form. What gives Babylon its Commercial power (Rev. 18)? Making commercial success on condition of a MARK for worshiping! The religious, commercial and military might is because of a RELIGION.

In Revelation Chapter 17 the "Mystery Babylon" is trashed by the ten kings! Why? So that ALL WORSHIP goes to Satan's representative. The Beast REPLACES Babylon (and her daughters). But Who should be the center of worship??? JESUS! Thus, in a most cunning way, nay, divinely brilliant way, our Lord Jesus deals with Babylon the GREAT. He lets her crave worship and the end result is that He meets the FOURTH power when it has drawn its last resource and gathered its military, commercial and RELIGIOUS might IN ONE PLACE. What a tactician! Instead of fighting pockets of resistance for 1,000 years, our Lord Jesus settles the problem in one bloody event - FOREVER.

[WilliamL]

On 9/9/2023 at 12:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Most folks just gloss over this part: "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another...

Who are the "they?" The seed of men is clear enough: men were formed from the earth/clay. "They" were not of the earth; which is why their mingling with mankind's seed/bloodline eventually fails, just as it did in the past.

Only one possible answer, IMHO. The Genesis 6 answer.

[AdHoc]

4 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Most folks just gloss over this part: "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another...

Who are the "they?" The seed of men is clear enough: men were formed from the earth/clay. "They" were not of the earth; which is why their mingling with mankind's seed/bloodline eventually fails, just as it did in the past.

Only one possible answer, IMHO. The Genesis 6 answer.

I've toyed with that for years. You have a good argument. My hesitation is 2nd Peter 1:20 - no private interpretation. So I look for the Parabolic meaning of "clay" and of "iron". The rule I have (for myself) is that I have to apply the same method as I do with the gold, silver and brass.

Gold is usually the nature of God. The Holy of Holies was just gold from floor to ceiling. So I ask myself what part of God's nature did Nebuchadnezzar have? It was not righteousness. It was not divinity. But where Nebuchadnezzar was like God was his REIGN. He was alone and sovereign (Dan.2:37-38). God's political way is Autocracy. So was Nebuchadnezzar's. If the element in the Parable/Dream represents a political system, it must be so for all four. Persia had an "Aristocratic" system and Greece a "Military" system. "Clay" must be the rule of men, or, "Democracy". But I cannot pin "iron". The Bible gives many meaning for iron.

Now, the legs are Iron and partly so are the toes. Iron is not removed or replaced. Clay is "ADDED". So whatever Iron was, it stays. The clay is added at the very end. So IRON remains its main ingredient. The two, iron and clay, are not compatible. And it must be a political system. So my guess is, (and guess it is), it is some sort of Constitutional Democracy where the ruling elite ignore the Constitution when it suits them. This practice of the People voting a Constitution (or putting pressure of rulers for laws) and then the ruling elite pretend to uphold it, but don't, is prevalent today.

I have toyed with the influence of angels, for we can expect increased activity at the end of the age (the days of Noah), but "CLAY" - a product of EARTH - hinders me attributing it to angels.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Most folks just gloss over this part: "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another...

Who are the "they?" The seed of men is clear enough: men were formed from the earth/clay. "They" were not of the earth; which is why their mingling with mankind's seed/bloodline eventually fails, just as it did in the past.

Only one possible answer, IMHO. The Genesis 6 answer.

Yea, I used to go down that road for about 5 or 10 years. Then it was clear unto me (at least 6 or 7 years ago) this verse actually meant Royal Marriage trying to revive the kingdom (might yet mean that), but now I am more akin to see this "SEED of men" as different factions trying to be one, like the English & the French & the Spaniards & the Germans & the Slavs etc. etc. etc. all trying to combine different SEED of men into one nation, thus the Clay can't "seam these MANY SEEDS together". So, its either, IMHO, Royal Marriage (which I am very doubtful on now) or it is showing why these 10 Kings (Complete Europe) are being held together by mere "Shoe Polish", they are a bunch of factions of MANY SEEDS trying to be one nation. 

Edited September 10, 2023 by Revelation Man

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

Now, the legs are Iron and partly so are the toes. Iron is not removed or replaced. Clay is "ADDED". So whatever Iron was, it stays. The clay is added at the very end. So IRON remains its main ingredient.

Julius Caesar claimed that his lineage descended from a mating with one of their women with the god Mars.

Which is why he was recognized by the Roman Senate as being a god after he died.

[AdHoc]

16 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Julius Caesar claimed that his lineage descended from a mating with one of their women with the god Mars.

Which is why he was recognized by the Roman Senate as being a god after he died.

It is interesting how these leaders always strove to be recognized as deity. Their chief problem was their deaths. What god worth his salt is mortal? And this is where the Beast is so advantaged. He is from the Abyss, he "was and is to come", he is one of seven and will be the eighth and he suffers a mortal wound that does not kill him. To compete with Jesus you have to be (i) immortal and/or (ii) resurrected. Hebrews 9:27 says a man can only die once. Luke 20:36 says a man cannot die after resurrection. The Beast, having died and come from the Abyss will be the first man be resurrected with this capability tested in public (Rev.13:1-9). It would also explain why it was so important to the Pharisees to first guard the tomb of Jesus, and second to lie about His resurrection.

The Beast claims deity, and he'll be able to deliver the proofs. But I like the recurring phrase; "... it was given him ... ." God is still in control.