Are you excited about the rapture?

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, angels4u said:

Hi AdHoc :

This is how I see it happening in the end :

The generation who is living since Israel became a nation (1948) will also see the end ,we don't know how long  a generation is but we do know that Jesus return will be in that same generation and on the end of the Tribulation, only 1/3 of the people in Israel will survive,after 3 1/2 years of Tribulation when the A.C. is going to sit in the temple (rebuild) and declares himself God ,1/3 of the people in Israel will have their eyes opened for the truth and realize that this person is not the promised Messiah,he will persecute the Jews and 1/3 will survive the Tribulation and will flee to Petra in Jordan where God will protect them until He comes back to earth. The144.000 who you were  preaching the gospel during the Tribulation.

 

Fair enough. I respect your view. If you have been following the thread, you will have seen my arguments concerning the "generation". Let's briefly examine Matthew 24 for the incorrect understanding will quickly lead us to absurdities. Remember also that I fully agree that I could be wrong.

The verses we are about to examine stem from 24:3 - three questions. When will these things be, what will be the sign of Christ's coming and what will be the sign of the end of the age?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Mt 24:32–35)

A Parable addresses the Church for in Matthew 13 our Lord says that He speaks in Parables so Jews do not understand. Although the Fig Tree depicts Judah, the parable is for Christ's disciples. But we have much to glean from the Fig Tree.

The first thing is that the Fig Tree was always there. Even though it is cursed and withered, it never ceased to exist. Verse 32 does not deal with the emergence of the Fig Tree. It deals with it blossoming again. The grammar ASSUMES that the Tree is already there. The "SIGN" is it blossoming. You see, Israel never ceased to exist. It is not the recalling of Judah into existence that is highlighted, but a dormant nation bringing forth leaves.

Now, the Leaves of a Tree are its covering, its GARMENT. Adam and Eve made garments of Fig Leaves. And according to multiple scriptures like Revelation 19:7-8, a garment is one WORKS. In Mark 11:3 we find that the Fig Tree had leaves, but no fruit. What was Judah DOING. What are the WORKS of a Jewish Nation? Why ... THE LAW.

So the parable points us, not to the Fig Tree, but to when it starts to observe the LAW again. And the Law of Moses can only be fulfilled when there is a TEMPLE. A number of Laws, especially the Feasts ans the tithes must be fulfilled at the Temple. So we have to look for a date when Judah starts to fulfill the Law. And this date is clearly given as the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. The Beast "strengthens THE Covenant" and there is only one Covenant that has the daily oblation - that of Moses at Sinai.

Matthew 24:32 sets the SIGN asked for in verse 3 as the day when Israel may practice their LAW - and that can only happen when a Temple stands. At that date "summer" (the restoration of Israel) will be just 7 years away. But now we must deal with the "generation". And the first and crucial pint is that IT WILL PASS! The grammar implies that the generation that is present at the resumption of the Law, WILL PASS. It says; They will not pass TILL ... The word "TILL" ensures their passing! Now you are presented with a dilemma. Will Israel (or Judah) PASS?

Will Israel and Judah go into obscurity. Will God strike their name from under the sun? Or is this a NEW BEGINNING for Israel. Acts 15:14-16 answers loud and clear. When the Church is complete, God will raise up Israel under a king from David's House! This is major theme of the prophets. Israel will be restored! How then can they pass? A whole generation passing means the end of that nation.

But if the meaning of the word "generation" is "WHAT IS GENERATED" like a "generation of VIPERS", then all we need is what God promises. In Ezekiel 37 God promises a new COVERING and a new BEGINNING for BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL. In Ezekiel 11, 18 & 36 God promises a NEW heart and a NEW spirit. Jeremiah 33 promises a NEW COVENANT that will "be better" says Hebrews - a Covenant that Israel will keep and never be thrown out of the Land again. Daniel 12:2 promises RESURRECTION for "many". In resurrection the curse of Adam's nature is GONE. "It is sown in corruption ... but raised in incorruption" (1st Cor.15:42).

1. The Parable focuses on the leaves, not the Tree
2. The Leaves are its works - Law
3. The Law can only be performed if a Temple in Jerusalem is standing
4. The SIGN is Nation fulfilling the Covenant
5. THIS GENERATION is the one that accepts the Beast
6. THIS GENERATION will pass
7. God makes out of Israel a New Generation with diverse things new

The Passing of WHAT IS GENERATED is most likely. The passing of one generation of Israel means the end of the Nation.

[angels4u]

Morning AdHoc:)

I did read your thoughts about a generation and I tend to agree with Dennis what a generation is all about.

¶ And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  Matthew 24:3

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2 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Mt 24:32–35)

 

 

 

They were told to look at the signs of the times,the generation who lived to see Israel become a nation will also see Jesus coming back on the end of the Tribulation,after that the Millennial . Can you see the signs? There's all around mostly Israel,they're surrounded by their enemies and  one of these days war will break out ,I believe th world leader also A.C .could show up after that and the tribulation starts. You must have heard in the news about the covenant Israel will conform with many nations? Daniel 9:27.27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. That I believe is the first day of the Tribulation. Terrible things will happen to Israel and it will of course effect the world.

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The first thing is that the Fig Tree was always there. Even though it is cursed and withered, it never ceased to exist. Verse 32 does not deal with the emergence of the Fig Tree. It deals with it blossoming again. The grammar ASSUMES that the Tree is already there. The "SIGN" is it blossoming. You see, Israel never ceased to exist. It is not the recalling of Judah into existence that is highlighted, but a dormant nation bringing forth leaves.

Israel became a nation and is very much blossoming,don't you agree?

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Now, the Leaves of a Tree are its covering, its GARMENT. Adam and Eve made garments of Fig Leaves. And according to multiple scriptures like Revelation 19:7-8, a garment is one WORKS. In Mark 11:3 we find that the Fig Tree had leaves, but no fruit. What was Judah DOING. What are the WORKS of a Jewish Nation? Why ... THE LAW.

What they did wrong is that they didn't believe Jesus was the promised Messiah and came to save them to break the yoke of sin,therefore they bore no fruit and God started at time to spend more attention to the churches ,assembled more or less in in the book of Acts. In the end ,the Rapture will take the the Church to haven and God will focus again on Israel and on the end they will this time accept Jesus as their Savior,they have to to through many unbearable tribulations. ( We're saved by grace,not by works.

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Matthew 24:32 sets the SIGN asked for in verse 3 as the day when Israel may practice their LAW - and that can only happen when a Temple stands.

The Temple will be build very soon,and after 3 1/2 years the A.C will defile it and recognize that Jesus is the promised Messiah.

I'm very much in watching the signs of the times and don't think there's any prophecy has to be fulfilled before the Rapture can happen,any day now..

Interesting chat brother,nice to get to know you better:)

[Dennis1209]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Fair enough. I respect your view. If you have been following the thread, you will have seen my arguments concerning the "generation". Let's briefly examine Matthew 24 for the incorrect understanding will quickly lead us to absurdities. Remember also that I fully agree that I could be wrong.

The verses we are about to examine stem from 24:3 - three questions. When will these things be, what will be the sign of Christ's coming and what will be the sign of the end of the age?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Mt 24:32–35)

A Parable addresses the Church for in Matthew 13 our Lord says that He speaks in Parables so Jews do not understand. Although the Fig Tree depicts Judah, the parable is for Christ's disciples. But we have much to glean from the Fig Tree.

The first thing is that the Fig Tree was always there. Even though it is cursed and withered, it never ceased to exist. Verse 32 does not deal with the emergence of the Fig Tree. It deals with it blossoming again. The grammar ASSUMES that the Tree is already there. The "SIGN" is it blossoming. You see, Israel never ceased to exist. It is not the recalling of Judah into existence that is highlighted, but a dormant nation bringing forth leaves.

Now, the Leaves of a Tree are its covering, its GARMENT. Adam and Eve made garments of Fig Leaves. And according to multiple scriptures like Revelation 19:7-8, a garment is one WORKS. In Mark 11:3 we find that the Fig Tree had leaves, but no fruit. What was Judah DOING. What are the WORKS of a Jewish Nation? Why ... THE LAW.

So the parable points us, not to the Fig Tree, but to when it starts to observe the LAW again. And the Law of Moses can only be fulfilled when there is a TEMPLE. A number of Laws, especially the Feasts ans the tithes must be fulfilled at the Temple. So we have to look for a date when Judah starts to fulfill the Law. And this date is clearly given as the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. The Beast "strengthens THE Covenant" and there is only one Covenant that has the daily oblation - that of Moses at Sinai.

Matthew 24:32 sets the SIGN asked for in verse 3 as the day when Israel may practice their LAW - and that can only happen when a Temple stands. At that date "summer" (the restoration of Israel) will be just 7 years away. But now we must deal with the "generation". And the first and crucial pint is that IT WILL PASS! The grammar implies that the generation that is present at the resumption of the Law, WILL PASS. It says; They will not pass TILL ... The word "TILL" ensures their passing! Now you are presented with a dilemma. Will Israel (or Judah) PASS?

Will Israel and Judah go into obscurity. Will God strike their name from under the sun? Or is this a NEW BEGINNING for Israel. Acts 15:14-16 answers loud and clear. When the Church is complete, God will raise up Israel under a king from David's House! This is major theme of the prophets. Israel will be restored! How then can they pass? A whole generation passing means the end of that nation.

But if the meaning of the word "generation" is "WHAT IS GENERATED" like a "generation of VIPERS", then all we need is what God promises. In Ezekiel 37 God promises a new COVERING and a new BEGINNING for BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL. In Ezekiel 11, 18 & 36 God promises a NEW heart and a NEW spirit. Jeremiah 33 promises a NEW COVENANT that will "be better" says Hebrews - a Covenant that Israel will keep and never be thrown out of the Land again. Daniel 12:2 promises RESURRECTION for "many". In resurrection the curse of Adam's nature is GONE. "It is sown in corruption ... but raised in incorruption" (1st Cor.15:42).

1. The Parable focuses on the leaves, not the Tree
2. The Leaves are its works - Law
3. The Law can only be performed if a Temple in Jerusalem is standing
4. The SIGN is Nation fulfilling the Covenant
5. THIS GENERATION is the one that accepts the Beast
6. THIS GENERATION will pass
7. God makes out of Israel a New Generation with diverse things new

The Passing of WHAT IS GENERATED is most likely. The passing of one generation of Israel means the end of the Nation.

We have an identical view until we reach "generation." I will share my thoughts when I return this afternoon if nothing else pops up. 

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

Excited for sure. It will be a very terrifying time for those left behind, but that was their choice. I am extremely excited, because I know that at the moment of the rapture, all my problems are eternally over. I can enjoy 7 or 8 years in the Intermediate Heaven and then come back for the millennium, and then the final eternal state. There is a special reward in scripture for those looking for his return. I believe this could be for the rapture or his earthly return. Can't wait, getting closer every day.

[AdHoc]

2 hours ago, angels4u said:

Morning AdHoc:)

I did read your thoughts about a generation and I tend to agree with Dennis what a generation is all about.

¶ And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.  Matthew 24:3

They were told to look at the signs of the times,the generation who lived to see Israel become a nation will also see Jesus coming back on the end of the Tribulation,after that the Millennial . Can you see the signs? There's all around mostly Israel,they're surrounded by their enemies and  one of these days war will break out ,I believe th world leader also A.C .could show up after that and the tribulation starts. You must have heard in the news about the covenant Israel will conform with many nations? Daniel 9:27.27 And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate. That I believe is the first day of the Tribulation. Terrible things will happen to Israel and it will of course effect the world.

Israel became a nation and is very much blossoming,don't you agree?

What they did wrong is that they didn't believe Jesus was the promised Messiah and came to save them to break the yoke of sin,therefore they bore no fruit and God started at time to spend more attention to the churches ,assembled more or less in in the book of Acts. In the end ,the Rapture will take the the Church to haven and God will focus again on Israel and on the end they will this time accept Jesus as their Savior,they have to to through many unbearable tribulations. ( We're saved by grace,not by works.

The Temple will be build very soon,and after 3 1/2 years the A.C will defile it and recognize that Jesus is the promised Messiah.

I'm very much in watching the signs of the times and don't think there's any prophecy has to be fulfilled before the Rapture can happen,any day now..

Interesting chat brother,nice to get to know you better:)

 

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

We have an identical view until we reach "generation." I will share my thoughts when I return this afternoon if nothing else pops up. 

We've had a most interesting discussion, and I thank you both. One point that I appreciated was that there are multiple SIGNS but that they are all for Israel. The age ends for the Church with a Thief coming unexpectedly. And for this Divine Thief to come NOTHING must happen. Peter and Paul both knew that they would die before the rapture, but that is all. the rest of us must, like the Thessalonians, expect rapture at any time.

As to your responses to the meaning of "generation", one thing puzzles me. Our Lord said that THIS generation - the one who saw the Fig Tree blossom - would see all come to pass. Now, let's take a 78 year-old Jewish woman in 1948. She was on THAT generation but she died at 84 in 1954. Has she not thwarted the words of the Lord? And is it not true that this case can be brought up a hundred thousand times? This generation of 1948 have been waiting for 75 years. Those who were 25 and over are now 100 years old plus and still have not seen these things come to pass. How many 100 year olds are there in Israel?

But even if you take the baby born 14th May 1948, how man have died? Perhaps half. They too have shown the Lord to have meant something else.

It's a tough one - but as George would say, "non-essential" (but we all secretly like to make is essential)

[angels4u]

22 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

 

We've had a most interesting discussion, and I thank you both. One point that I appreciated was that there are multiple SIGNS but that they are all for Israel. The age ends for the Church with a Thief coming unexpectedly. And for this Divine Thief to come NOTHING must happen. Peter and Paul both knew that they would die before the rapture, but that is all. the rest of us must, like the Thessalonians, expect rapture at any time.

As to your responses to the meaning of "generation", one thing puzzles me. Our Lord said that THIS generation - the one who saw the Fig Tree blossom - would see all come to pass. Now, let's take a 78 year-old Jewish woman in 1948. She was on THAT generation but she died at 84 in 1954. Has she not thwarted the words of the Lord? And is it not true that this case can be brought up a hundred thousand times? This generation of 1948 have been waiting for 75 years. Those who were 25 and over are now 100 years old plus and still have not seen these things come to pass. How many 100 year olds are there in Israel?

But even if you take the baby born 14th May 1948, how man have died? Perhaps half. They too have shown the Lord to have meant something else.

It's a tough one - but as George would say, "non-essential" (but we all secretly like to make is essential)

Good question,how long is a generation? My husband was born in 1948 and he's still here to tell the story. We don't know how long an generation actual is but I don know ,that the Rapture is around the corner because that generation will not live forever .I just watched an explanation of David Gusik,very interesting,this is probably more your explanation AdHoc?

@Dennis1209  ?

 

[backontrack]

On 9/26/2023 at 2:20 PM, SpiritSong said:

As we know the end is very near, what are your feelings about the rapture? Are you excited? Are you afraid? Do you feel prepared? 

I used to be afraid because of the scary time surrounding the event, and also, I was afraid of God, that I wasn't worthy of being with Him. But praise God for his grace! It's not by works but by faith that we are His!

Thoughts?

I am excited about being in heaven no matter how it happens!

[Dennis1209]

11 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Fair enough. I respect your view. If you have been following the thread, you will have seen my arguments concerning the "generation". Let's briefly examine Matthew 24 for the incorrect understanding will quickly lead us to absurdities. Remember also that I fully agree that I could be wrong.

The verses we are about to examine stem from 24:3 - three questions. When will these things be, what will be the sign of Christ's coming and what will be the sign of the end of the age?

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Mt 24:32–35)

A Parable addresses the Church for in Matthew 13 our Lord says that He speaks in Parables so Jews do not understand. Although the Fig Tree depicts Judah, the parable is for Christ's disciples. But we have much to glean from the Fig Tree.

The first thing is that the Fig Tree was always there. Even though it is cursed and withered, it never ceased to exist. Verse 32 does not deal with the emergence of the Fig Tree. It deals with it blossoming again. The grammar ASSUMES that the Tree is already there. The "SIGN" is it blossoming. You see, Israel never ceased to exist. It is not the recalling of Judah into existence that is highlighted, but a dormant nation bringing forth leaves.

Now, the Leaves of a Tree are its covering, its GARMENT. Adam and Eve made garments of Fig Leaves. And according to multiple scriptures like Revelation 19:7-8, a garment is one WORKS. In Mark 11:3 we find that the Fig Tree had leaves, but no fruit. What was Judah DOING. What are the WORKS of a Jewish Nation? Why ... THE LAW.

So the parable points us, not to the Fig Tree, but to when it starts to observe the LAW again. And the Law of Moses can only be fulfilled when there is a TEMPLE. A number of Laws, especially the Feasts ans the tithes must be fulfilled at the Temple. So we have to look for a date when Judah starts to fulfill the Law. And this date is clearly given as the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. The Beast "strengthens THE Covenant" and there is only one Covenant that has the daily oblation - that of Moses at Sinai.

Matthew 24:32 sets the SIGN asked for in verse 3 as the day when Israel may practice their LAW - and that can only happen when a Temple stands. At that date "summer" (the restoration of Israel) will be just 7 years away. But now we must deal with the "generation". And the first and crucial pint is that IT WILL PASS! The grammar implies that the generation that is present at the resumption of the Law, WILL PASS. It says; They will not pass TILL ... The word "TILL" ensures their passing! Now you are presented with a dilemma. Will Israel (or Judah) PASS?

Will Israel and Judah go into obscurity. Will God strike their name from under the sun? Or is this a NEW BEGINNING for Israel. Acts 15:14-16 answers loud and clear. When the Church is complete, God will raise up Israel under a king from David's House! This is major theme of the prophets. Israel will be restored! How then can they pass? A whole generation passing means the end of that nation.

But if the meaning of the word "generation" is "WHAT IS GENERATED" like a "generation of VIPERS", then all we need is what God promises. In Ezekiel 37 God promises a new COVERING and a new BEGINNING for BOTH HOUSES OF ISRAEL. In Ezekiel 11, 18 & 36 God promises a NEW heart and a NEW spirit. Jeremiah 33 promises a NEW COVENANT that will "be better" says Hebrews - a Covenant that Israel will keep and never be thrown out of the Land again. Daniel 12:2 promises RESURRECTION for "many". In resurrection the curse of Adam's nature is GONE. "It is sown in corruption ... but raised in incorruption" (1st Cor.15:42).

1. The Parable focuses on the leaves, not the Tree
2. The Leaves are its works - Law
3. The Law can only be performed if a Temple in Jerusalem is standing
4. The SIGN is Nation fulfilling the Covenant
5. THIS GENERATION is the one that accepts the Beast
6. THIS GENERATION will pass
7. God makes out of Israel a New Generation with diverse things new

The Passing of WHAT IS GENERATED is most likely. The passing of one generation of Israel means the end of the Nation.

Fascinating discussion! I understand your perspective and seek to learn alternative viewpoints, not change or challenge them. I think we agree that trees are often symbolic of nations or Empires in the Bible. We agree that the cursed Fig Tree represents Israel and that the leaves are the covering.

I think two trees represent Israel, the second being the Olive Tree. The Fig Tree represents Israel as a nation in its land (1948)—the seventeen verses for the Olive tree as spiritual Israel. Israel and the Jews never lost their identity or were bred out; that has never happened before with any ethnic people and nation I know.

It is debatable whether the Fig Tree ceased or not. They were plucked up by the root and scattered abroad by the 130s A.D. The Olive Tree (spiritual–ethnic) did not die.

It is too long to discuss in detail. There is also something else about the figurative Fig Tree that is symbolic in prophecy and seldom recognized and discussed. What was Jesus seeking from the Fig Tree before He cursed it?

The Fig Tree typically produces the primary crop fruit after the leaves. However, figs can grow breba crops before leaves appear in spring. In addition, main crop figs can be produced before leaves if there is something wrong with the tree, but the figs will not ripen.

Sound familiar? Is this a coincidence or more prophetic significance?

The COVID fiasco, being surrounded by hostile nations and terrorist group proxies, with 100,000+ rockets pointing at them, nothing has slowed down their GDP and prosperity. They lead the globe in many technological and production avenues. Who can deny Israel is not blossoming? They are the fourth most powerful military on earth and the most powerful in the Middle East.

It is also noteworthy for the times we live in. Historically, as well as today, when a hostile nation or people attack and invade Israel for their destruction. Israel is entitled to take and occupy the invading country's land. It is biblically unlawful for Israel to give the land seized back under penalty.

To grab another gear and press forward in reverse: Many theologians agree that if we want to know the prophetic time clock, we look at the nation of Israel as the minute hand and Jerusalem as the second hand. It is questionable if the Antichrist's confirmation of a seven-year covenant includes the permission to build the third Temple. Nothing indicates the Temple cannot be built right now; that is how close we are.

Some are unaware everything is ready to proceed with building the Temple. The plans, blueprints, prefabrication, all the sacrificial implements and garb, priests identified and trained, everything. The recent re-establishment of the Sanhedrin and success in breeding sacrificial Red Heifers without spot or blemish.

The Temple Institute of Jerusalem - Learn About the Temple Institute

At present, Jordan is allowed control of the perceived Temple Mount. From archeological excavations and recent discoveries, I believe the Dome of the Rock sits atop the previous two Temples.

The Muslim claims that Al-Aquas Mosque is Islam's third most holy site is a myth, not even mentioned in the Koran. I can think of several scenarios leading to this site's immediate and sudden Israeli possession. It is all in God's plan and timing.

[AdHoc]

15 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Fascinating discussion! I understand your perspective and seek to learn alternative viewpoints, not change or challenge them. I think we agree that trees are often symbolic of nations or Empires in the Bible. We agree that the cursed Fig Tree represents Israel and that the leaves are the covering.

I think two trees represent Israel, the second being the Olive Tree. The Fig Tree represents Israel as a nation in its land (1948)—the seventeen verses for the Olive tree as spiritual Israel. Israel and the Jews never lost their identity or were bred out; that has never happened before with any ethnic people and nation I know.

It is debatable whether the Fig Tree ceased or not. They were plucked up by the root and scattered abroad by the 130s A.D. The Olive Tree (spiritual–ethnic) did not die.

It is too long to discuss in detail. There is also something else about the figurative Fig Tree that is symbolic in prophecy and seldom recognized and discussed. What was Jesus seeking from the Fig Tree before He cursed it?

The Fig Tree typically produces the primary crop fruit after the leaves. However, figs can grow breba crops before leaves appear in spring. In addition, main crop figs can be produced before leaves if there is something wrong with the tree, but the figs will not ripen.

Sound familiar? Is this a coincidence or more prophetic significance?

The COVID fiasco, being surrounded by hostile nations and terrorist group proxies, with 100,000+ rockets pointing at them, nothing has slowed down their GDP and prosperity. They lead the globe in many technological and production avenues. Who can deny Israel is not blossoming? They are the fourth most powerful military on earth and the most powerful in the Middle East.

It is also noteworthy for the times we live in. Historically, as well as today, when a hostile nation or people attack and invade Israel for their destruction. Israel is entitled to take and occupy the invading country's land. It is biblically unlawful for Israel to give the land seized back under penalty.

To grab another gear and press forward in reverse: Many theologians agree that if we want to know the prophetic time clock, we look at the nation of Israel as the minute hand and Jerusalem as the second hand. It is questionable if the Antichrist's confirmation of a seven-year covenant includes the permission to build the third Temple. Nothing indicates the Temple cannot be built right now; that is how close we are.

Some are unaware everything is ready to proceed with building the Temple. The plans, blueprints, prefabrication, all the sacrificial implements and garb, priests identified and trained, everything. The recent re-establishment of the Sanhedrin and success in breeding sacrificial Red Heifers without spot or blemish.

The Temple Institute of Jerusalem - Learn About the Temple Institute

At present, Jordan is allowed control of the perceived Temple Mount. From archeological excavations and recent discoveries, I believe the Dome of the Rock sits atop the previous two Temples.

The Muslim claims that Al-Aquas Mosque is Islam's third most holy site is a myth, not even mentioned in the Koran. I can think of several scenarios leading to this site's immediate and sudden Israeli possession. It is all in God's plan and timing.

A thoughtful appreciation. Here is mine.

A contract, once ratified, is binding. Israel, via Abraham are in Covenant with God. But this Covenant is checked by a second Covenant with God via Moses. A Contract is a contract. It is felt at its fullest when one party breaks it. Israel's history is one of feeling the penalties of a broken Covenant. All the curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 have landed on them. Though they brag some of the best talent in nearly every area of life, they are the poorest country among the developed countries. Three of four Israeli's live beyond the poverty line. They live in fear of other countries. They boast the Law of Moses, but at the same time host the biggest LGBTQIA annual parade in Asia. And true, man for man they have the best military in the world. But it cripples the economy to be on war footing 24/7.

In the long run, this spells disaster. So if a charismatic, world-class leader arrives on the scene and brokers PEACE, Israel will be prepared to do just about anything.

Taking the view from across the fence - that is, the rest of the world, Israel in needed badly. Why? Because the same people who control the Club of Rome also control the major fossil fuel fields of the Middle East. Green Peace, or what ever you like to call it, is not there to change the usage to electricity. They are there to impose draconian taxes to slow world economic growth. Economists dispute, but between 77% and 84% of world energy still comes from fossil fuels. And in the not so subtle control of these fields, the West needs ISRAEL. The big consumers of fossil fuels need a base where they can defend oilfields against the rightful owners - Persians (Iran) and sons of Ishmael (the Arab).

Now if a world-class politician could broker a PEACE in that hot area, he would be warmly received. So what is needed to establish the Beast is FIRST to escalate the war threat, and then suddenly offer PEACE. Now, 1st Thessalonians 5:3 indicates that just before the Great Tribulation, there will be grounds to shout "PEACE". Revelation 11, set around the same period, says that there will be a Temple but that the outer court will be trampled by Infidels, or the Nations. Then, in the same verse in 1st Thessalonians, destruction appears out of nowhere. What scene fits all this?

Why ... the 70th Week of Daniel! It starts with Israel being able to do the daily oblation. The daily oblation needs the Temple. So does the Law of Moses. Giving Israel a new Temple would enable them to carry out "THE COVENANT" again. The literal meaning of Daniel 9:27 is "strengthen THE covenant". What Covenant? The one that has the daily oblation - the Covenant of Sinai.

But at once the objection is raised (by Christians who have nothing to do with the matter) that the Al Aqsa is where the Temple should be. But this (i) disputed by archeologists, and (ii) nobody cares. Israel have displayed Lawlessness since the golden calf. What is a hundred meters in the building of a new Temple?

We surely stand on the cusp of very exciting times. But the Christian should know one thing. All prophecy except the Fig Tree pertains to ISRAEL: There is nothing that must happen before the rapture except the building of the third Temple and the re-institution of the daily oblation. Are we WATCHING?

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1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

There is nothing that must happen before the rapture except the building of the third Temple and the re-institution of the daily oblation. Are we WATCHING?

Will you expound on the above a bit? Do you place the rapture after the third Temple?

I have difficulty accepting that the Jews will build their third Temple anywhere but the original and historical location. Would you agree that the Temple Institute has everything ready to implement Temple worship and animal sacrifice?

They want their Temple badly; they can now build it anywhere they desire; what are they waiting for? How close is close to the original site?

Speaking of archeological discoveries, a video is worth a thousand words. The recent archeological discovery of the lower pool of Siloam may have prophetic significance with the Temple. I cannot post a direct link, but if you are interested and have the time, I would like your opinion on a video on the subject matter.

It is posted on YouTube and can be found by searching (Breaking: This Could Lead to the Third Temple | Marking the End Times with Dr. Mark Hitchcock.) 14:44 minutes long.