Has the 70 Weeks of Daniel prophecy been fulfilled in history ?

[douggg]

7 hours ago, abcdef said:

John 19:15, "We have no king but Caesar."

Also see John 19:12.

 

Somewhat prophetic as it will turn out.

The person who becomes the Antichrist will be a Jew, who is also descended from the Julio-Claudians somewhere in his bloodline.    Either that or he will assume the title of Caesar when become the beast-king.

The person will be the Antichrist as the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews.

After his betrayal of claiming to have achieved God-hood, his next move will be to become the beast-king of Revelation 17:11.      The 8th king of the group of Julio-Claudian kings of Revelation 17:10.

As the beast-king, his kingdom will be that of the ten EU leaders who will hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of it.     Revelation 17:17.

[Michael37]

31 minutes ago, douggg said:

Somewhat prophetic as it will turn out.

The person who becomes the Antichrist will be a Jew, who is also descended from the Julio-Claudians somewhere in his bloodline.    Either that or he will assume the title of Caesar when become the beast-king.

The person will be the Antichrist as the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews.

After his betrayal of claiming to have achieved God-hood, his next move will be to become the beast-king of Revelation 17:11.      The 8th king of the group of Julio-Claudian kings of Revelation 17:10.

As the beast-king, his kingdom will be that of the ten EU leaders who will hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of it.     Revelation 17:17.

Question: With all the negative publicity about this evil leader, why would anyone put themselves up for the position?

Answer: Narcissistic weakness of mind.

[douggg]

11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Question: With all the negative publicity about this evil leader, why would anyone put themselves up for the position?

Answer: Narcissistic weakness of mind.

He will be a Jew.  His religion initially will be Judaism.    In my discussions with counter-missionary Jews, they consider the New Testament and its prophecies - fairly tales.   So the negative publicity coming out of Christian circles means nothing to them.

In Daniel 8:23, it says of the person that he understands dark sentences, kjv.   Other translations may say understands riddles.

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23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

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Which those verses, imo,  give a hint of how he will become involved with Satan.  

Craft and practise -   In the Jewish mysticism practice of Kabbalah, it is believed that the practitioners can have the angels carry out the will of the practitioner to help in achieving the practitioners goals.

So, he will be in contact with angels.   Specifically, it will be Satan who helps him to achieve his goals.    But Satan turns the tables on him, and the person ends up as a tool of Satan - to deceive him into thinking he can achieve God-hood.

That's the part in verse 25 about magnifying himself in his heart.     Which spurs him to commit the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonias2:4.

That act is also found in Ezekiel 28:1-10.   In verse 2 is the act of sitting in the temple, broadcasting to the world that he is "a" God  (God-hood), and is of the highest order of being God.

In verse 3, God is mocking him.   The no secret part is about his involvement in Kabbalah.

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2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

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In verse 7, God has him assassinated for his audacious act.     And his soul ends up in hell, for a short period before being returned to his lifeless body in his casket at his funeral.

As the world looks on dumfounded by his coming back to life.   The strong delusion of 2Thesslaonians2:11 that God sends to them who will have believed his claim (lie) of having achieved God-hood.

Coming back to life is him as the mortally wounded but healed head in Revelation 13.    As he becomes the beast king.

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, douggg said:

He will be a Jew.  His religion initially will be Judaism.    In my discussions with counter-missionary Jews, they consider the New Testament and its prophecies - fairly tales.   So the negative publicity coming out of Christian circles means nothing to them.

 

You are just in error, of course. He will be a Gentile, like all the other 6 Beasts were. The False Prophet is a Jew, Israel will join the E.U. right after the soon to come Gog & Magog war (Russia, Turkey and Iran invade Israel and God spanks them pretty bad). Then the A.C. (E.U. President) will have political sway in Israel and over the F.P. and Israeli political leaders. 

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, douggg said:

He will be a Jew.  His religion initially will be Judaism.    In my discussions with counter-missionary Jews, they consider the New Testament and its prophecies - fairly tales.   So the negative publicity coming out of Christian circles means nothing to them.

In Daniel 8:23, it says of the person that he understands dark sentences, kjv.   Other translations may say understands riddles.

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23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

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Which those verses, imo,  give a hint of how he will become involved with Satan.  

Craft and practise -   In the Jewish mysticism practice of Kabbalah, it is believed that the practitioners can have the angels carry out the will of the practitioner to help in achieving the practitioners goals.

So, he will be in contact with angels.   Specifically, it will be Satan who helps him to achieve his goals.    But Satan turns the tables on him, and the person ends up as a tool of Satan - to deceive him into thinking he can achieve God-hood.

That's the part in verse 25 about magnifying himself in his heart.     Which spurs him to commit the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple, sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonias2:4.

That act is also found in Ezekiel 28:1-10.   In verse 2 is the act of sitting in the temple, broadcasting to the world that he is "a" God  (God-hood), and is of the highest order of being God.

In verse 3, God is mocking him.   The no secret part is about his involvement in Kabbalah.

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2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

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In verse 7, God has him assassinated for his audacious act.     And his soul ends up in hell, for a short period before being returned to his lifeless body in his casket at his funeral.

As the world looks on dumfounded by his coming back to life.   The strong delusion of 2Thesslaonians2:11 that God sends to them who will have believed his claim (lie) of having achieved God-hood.

Coming back to life is him as the mortally wounded but healed head in Revelation 13.    As he becomes the beast king.

Question: What sort of childhood would such a person have?

Answer: A supernaturally diverse one.

[douggg]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You are just in error, of course. He will be a Gentile, like all the other 6 Beasts were. The False Prophet is a Jew, Israel will join the E.U. right after the soon to come Gog & Magog war (Russia, Turkey and Iran invade Israel and God spanks them pretty bad). Then the A.C. (E.U. President) will have political sway in Israel and over the F.P. and Israeli political leaders. 

The person has to be a Jew in order to become the Antichrist - the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

What other 6 beasts are you referring to ?

 

Edited November 28, 2023 by douggg

[abcdef]

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

Somewhat prophetic as it will turn out.

Caesar is the Antichrist. Not just one Caesar, but all of them. 

Dan 2 and Dan 7, both show a continual reign of Rome over the children of Israel from 63 BC until Jerusalem is restored, 1967.

There are no gaps in the Roman rule, it is continual, as the iron in Dan 2.

Jn 19:15, shows that the 33 AD establishment rejected the old covenants.

The coming of Jesus and His ministry confirmed the covenant between God and Israel.

Israel rejected the confirmed covenant.

Gal 3:17, Heb 2:3.

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

The person who becomes the Antichrist will be a Jew,

The Dan 11:37, verse is Antiochus. He is Greek. It is an assumption to apply this requirement to an Israelite.

Dan 11:2, This prophecy is fulfilled by Persia and Greece. The silver and brass of the Dan 2 statue. All the Dan 11 prophecies were fulfilled by the time Rome invaded in 63 BC to take control over the children of Israel.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

who is also descended from the Julio-Claudians somewhere in his bloodline.    Either that or he will assume the title of Caesar when become the beast-king.

Dan 7, The rule of the 4th beast begins in 63 BC when Rome invaded. 

Who was the beast king at that time?

Who was the beast king during the centuries that followed?

Who was the beast king on the timeline when the 4th beast divided into 10 horns?

Who was the beast king when the 11th horn rises up and and plucks up 3 horns?

Who is the beast king when the 3 1/2 times begins and ends?

Caesar, Caesar, Caesar.

But who was Caesar in 750 AD? 1100 AD? 1500 AD? 1940? 2023?

Only one person on the planet can be this person. Not just one individual, but a continual line of people who are Caesar, from 63 BC until this day.  

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

The person will be the Antichrist as the King of Israel, thought to be messiah by the Jews.

"We have no king but Caesar". Dan 19:15. 

They Said the Caesar was their king.

Their savior was Caesar. Caesar would save the nation Israel, and them, from falling from power or ceasing to be a nation. John 11:5o-51.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

After his betrayal of claiming to have achieved God-hood, his next move will be to become the beast-king of Revelation 17:11.

Caesar was god to Rome. Caesar worship was required.

The nation of Rome fell, but Caesar worship continues to this day.

The beast of Revelation is the 4th beast of Dan 7, and the iron of Dan 2. It can only, only be Rome.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

The 8th king of the group of Julio-Claudian kings of Revelation 17:10.

The rule of the 8th king is centuries and not just a few years.

 

On 11/27/2023 at 2:51 AM, douggg said:

As the beast-king, his kingdom will be that of the ten EU leaders who will hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of it.     Revelation 17:17.

The Bishop of Rome controlled the former Roman Empire for centuries with "iron" strength. He decided which kings should rule and made the children of Israel his slaves and servants.

Even though he had no military to enforce his will, he ruled by the power of Caesar worship, a religious kingdom within kingdoms (10 horns). The Bishop of Rome was just an "image", without the strength of the former Caesars.

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Jesus' ministry began at the beginning of the 70th week. 

Jesus confirmed the covenant Gal 3:17, Heb 2:3 , was cut off, started the new covenant kingdom, and Israel rejected the new Pentecost covenant kingdom in 37 AD, fulfilling the Dan 9, seventy weeks prophecies.

Dan 9, talks about the fall of Jerusalem Dan 9:16.

Dan 9:24-27, says that it will happen after the Messiah is cut off.

That is exactly what happened in 30 AD- 70 AD, completely fulfilling the Dan 9, prophecies.

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[douggg]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Caesar is the Antichrist. Not just one Caesar, but all of them. 

The person who becomes the Antichrist does so by being anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.    The person has to be Jew.

Go to Judaism 101 and read up on what the Jews are looking for in the messiah.

"The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days."

"The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

 

I am looking at Zelenski, a Jew, a noted politician, and a military leader.

There has been a You Tube video song about him - "Can one man save the world".   Go watch it.    To me, that has messianic overtones.

The person who becomes the Antichrist does so immediately following Gog/Magog - which the major military force of Gog will be Russia.

Who has Zelenski been battling ?

 

 

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

The rule of the 8th king is centuries and not just a few years.

Revelation 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The beast-king of Revelation 17:11 will be king 7 of Revelation 17:10 - who will continue the short space of 42 months.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Edited November 29, 2023 by douggg

[Dave Watchman]

On 11/26/2023 at 4:09 PM, WilliamL said:

שָׁבֻעִים/weeks שִׁבְעִים/seventy

I wonder what the little markings mean beneath the Hebrew letters? Annotations?

I found it tricky to select, or to copy and paste the Hebrew text. It gave me a spooky feeling. Like maybe I shouldn't be delving into this right now,

I Googled for: "annotations beneath the Hebrew letters", and got:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_diacritics

Were they added after Daniel's original writings, or did Daniel write it that way?

One of the reasons I ask is that Moshe in Israel says the original Hebrew text reads as Seventy Seventy are determined.

https://t.me/moshegroup/50371

https://t.me/moshegroup/50372

He's saying there's two sets of seventy weeks. He does a video on it and has a note about it on his Telegram channel. He sounds sure of it and mentions one Christian literal translation which also reads it as Seventy Seventy.

"Seventy seventy were divided upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to close the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring in eternal justice, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the holy of holies.

https://biblehub.com/slt/daniel/9.htm

None of this is going to change what I currently think about the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

I also am very sure that there are two separate sets of 70 weeks, but not for the same reasons that Moshe is saying.

Peaceful Sabbath.

[R. Hartono]

24 minutes ago, Dave Watchman said:

I wonder what the little markings mean beneath the Hebrew letters? Annotations?

I found it tricky to select, or to copy and paste the Hebrew text. It gave me a spooky feeling. Like maybe I shouldn't be delving into this right now,

I Googled for: "annotations beneath the Hebrew letters", and got:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_diacritics

Were they added after Daniel's original writings, or did Daniel write it that way?

One of the reasons I ask is that Moshe in Israel says the original Hebrew text reads as Seventy Seventy are determined.

https://t.me/moshegroup/50371

https://t.me/moshegroup/50372

He's saying there's two sets of seventy weeks. He does a video on it and has a note about it on his Telegram channel. He sounds sure of it and mentions one Christian literal translation which also reads it as Seventy Seventy.

"Seventy seventy were divided upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to close the transgression, and to seal up sins, and to expiate iniquity, and to bring in eternal justice, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the holy of holies.

https://biblehub.com/slt/daniel/9.htm

None of this is going to change what I currently think about the 70 weeks of Daniel 9.

I also am very sure that there are two separate sets of 70 weeks, but not for the same reasons that Moshe is saying.

Peaceful Sabbath.

The Hebrew Bible says :

https://biblehub.com/text/daniel/9-24.htm 

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/shavuim_7620.htm

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by R. Hartono