Ten Horns - Ten Kings

[Revelation Man]

7 hours ago, Luther said:

The jews made a covenant with death a long time ago, and crucified God in the flesh as a forever statement....

"Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children."(Matthew 27:25)

 

Matthew 23:35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Every Christian should read Isaiah 65 and really let the words sink in. There is absolutely no future promise of salvation for a nation of people called " Israel".

We must keep in mind that the people in Israel today share no identity/ DNA with OT Israel. They are not even semites  (and you can find all this information out, please don't condemn the messenger, I just happen to do my homework). 

Anyway, Isaiah 65:

Isaiah 65:11-15
But ye are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
[12]Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
[13]Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
[14]Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
[15]And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:

1) Who forsook the LORD?

2) Who are the servants, God's chosen, called by another name? 

But this is where the world is right now, under strong delusion, so God's end time plan follows through. 

 

As a preacher of 40 years I can tell you if this is your thinking you have no biblical understandings of God's purpose if you believe this. We all had to have Jesus die for our sins, anytime you or I sin today after knowing God we do the exact same thing Israel did, rebel. The Church Age was meant to save the world and for us to show Israel the way to God, before that Israel was meant to show the world the light by showing and PROVING no man is worthy of salvation, no matter what laws you "keep" if you break one law you are guilty of them all, so w are all worthless murder's in  essence, in God's eyes.

[Michael37]

On 2/6/2025 at 2:09 PM, BlindSeeker said:

True. But at the point and time of Israel's history, 5 prominent empires, with kings, had fallen, and one was.

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Mede/Persia, and Greece, and the one that was at the time was Rome. The last four also metaphorically referred to by Daniel as "beast." 

Was that part of the prophesy literal? Or am I taking it "further than intended" by the angel speaking to the Apostle John?
If it is literal, why wouldn't the the seventh be as well, properly metaphorically referred to as mountains or beast?

There is no literal beast coming out of a literal sea, having the feet of a bear, the body of a leopard, the mouth of a lion, seven heads, and ten crowned horns.

Applying the numeration of "powers" from Daniel to Revelation puts things out of whack as Revelation is angled at John in his context after the incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, whereas Daniel is angled at him in his context before these.

Quick search:

The term beast is used metaphorically in Daniel and Revelation, and what other books of the Bible if any?

The term "beast" is indeed used metaphorically in the books of Daniel and Revelation to represent empires, kings, or forces opposed to God. While these are the most prominent books where the metaphor appears, it also appears in a few other places in the Bible, though often not as explicitly:

• Ezekiel: In Ezekiel 1 and 10, there are visions of living creatures with animal-like features that could be seen as metaphorical beasts. Additionally, in Ezekiel 34:25, God promises to eliminate "wild beasts" from the land in a metaphorical sense, representing threats to His people.

• Psalms: In Psalm 74:14, Leviathan (a sea monster or beast) is referenced as a symbol of chaos and evil.

• Isaiah: In Isaiah 27:1, Leviathan is mentioned again as a twisting serpent or dragon that God will punish.

• Jeremiah: In Jeremiah 51:34, Babylon is described as a monster or beast that has devoured the people of Israel.

These references serve to symbolize chaos, opposition to God's will, or powerful adversarial forces rather than literal animals.

[BlindSeeker]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

There is no literal beast coming out of a literal sea, having the feet of a bear, the body of a leopard, the mouth of a lion, seven heads, and ten crowned horns.

I have always been clear and stating that the image presented is prophetic imagery with multiple significances, each revealing specific entities throughout history; with a timeline being from the birth of Israel as a nation coming out of Egypt, to the present day. 

I never indicated that it was a literal beast...

[BlindSeeker]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

There is no literal beast coming out of a literal sea, having the feet of a bear, the body of a leopard, the mouth of a lion, seven heads, and ten crowned horns.

Applying the numeration of "powers" from Daniel to Revelation puts things out of whack as Revelation is angled at John in his context after the incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, whereas Daniel is angled at him in his context before these.

Quick search:

The term beast is used metaphorically in Daniel and Revelation, and what other books of the Bible if any?

The term "beast" is indeed used metaphorically in the books of Daniel and Revelation to represent empires, kings, or forces opposed to God. While these are the most prominent books where the metaphor appears, it also appears in a few other places in the Bible, though often not as explicitly:

• Ezekiel: In Ezekiel 1 and 10, there are visions of living creatures with animal-like features that could be seen as metaphorical beasts. Additionally, in Ezekiel 34:25, God promises to eliminate "wild beasts" from the land in a metaphorical sense, representing threats to His people.

• Psalms: In Psalm 74:14, Leviathan (a sea monster or beast) is referenced as a symbol of chaos and evil.

• Isaiah: In Isaiah 27:1, Leviathan is mentioned again as a twisting serpent or dragon that God will punish.

• Jeremiah: In Jeremiah 51:34, Babylon is described as a monster or beast that has devoured the people of Israel.

These references serve to symbolize chaos, opposition to God's will, or powerful adversarial forces rather than literal animals.

I actually find your post to be missing the reality of everything I stated.

I find that often happens when people are more intent on opposing something they disagree with, then taking the time to truly consider it. 

It is truly okay if we disagree.

[AnOrangeCat]

On 1/24/2025 at 5:42 PM, Dennis1209 said:

It appears to me that in the tribulation, the globe will be divided into ten global economic trading zones that will be handed over to the Antichrist. Could we be seeing the beginning?

I lean toward this view as well, but suspect that there may be a few outliers scattered about here and there that aren't integrated, or aren't as integrated as the major players.

On a general prophecy/end times related note apparently Pete Hegseth, one of Trump's staff choices, talked about the prospect of there being a third temple in Jerusalem during a conference in 2018. That really got my attention.

[Dennis1209]

10 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

I lean toward this view as well, but suspect that there may be a few outliers scattered about here and there that aren't integrated, or aren't as integrated as the major players.

On a general prophecy/end times related note apparently Pete Hegseth, one of Trump's staff choices, talked about the prospect of there being a third temple in Jerusalem during a conference in 2018. That really got my attention.

Good morning,

There are so many unexpected twists and turns watching God’s end-time plan unfold, with the players, nations, and events transpiring.

Daniel 2:21 (KJV) And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

The Lord gives us an imperative: what are we to be watching for?

Mark 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: [emphasis]

Many observe that a Jewish 3rd Temple must be standing for the Beast to desecrate it at the midpoint of the tribulation. The Temple priests have been identified and trained for service, all implements have been made and ready for sacrificial service, and the unblemished red Heffer was finally bred in Texas of all places. It only takes the ashes of one or two unblemished red Heffer's to last centuries. 

The Bible does not say or imply when the 3^rd Temple will be built. Many assume it will be rebuilt under the auspice of the seven-year peace confirmation the Antichrist confirms. Only three problems prevent the immediate Temple construction: location, location, and location. Several things or events could immediately remove that obstacle at any time. Witnessing God’s plan unfold right before our eyes is fascinating.

Considering the field presented vying for my vote, I was an ardent Trump supporter. There is some strangeness transpiring that I do not comprehend. Overall, I think Trump has made many wise choices for his department heads, IMO.

With two assignation attempts under his belt and his age, you would think Trump would reevaluate his eternal spiritual condition and who he surrounds himself with for personal and national spiritual advice. The first name to come to mind would be Franklin Graham, or comparable theology, NO!

Are you aware of whom Trump appointed for the newly created Faith Adviser Office? Paula White – Cain. Why would Trump appoint such a person with known ties to the false prosperity gospel, grave soaking, and necromancy? Interesting and potentially telling?

President Trump Announces Appointments to the White House Faith Office – The White House

Reading these two official appointments above, how many Biblical things come to mind (from church leader requirements as Christ as the Head to prophecy)?

[AnOrangeCat]

27 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

With two assignation attempts under his belt and his age, you would think Trump would reevaluate his eternal spiritual condition and who he surrounds himself with for personal and national spiritual advice. The first name to come to mind would be Franklin Graham, or comparable theology, NO!

Are you aware of whom Trump appointed for the newly created Faith Adviser Office? Paula White – Cain. Why would Trump appoint such a person with known ties to the false prosperity gospel, grave soaking, and necromancy? Interesting and potentially telling?

I knew about Paula being appointed and her advocacy of the prosperity gospel but her other practices are news to me. That's interesting and alarming.

30 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Considering the field presented vying for my vote, I was an ardent Trump supporter. There is some strangeness transpiring that I do not comprehend. Overall, I think Trump has made many wise choices for his department heads, IMO.

I wouldn't say ardent in my case, but yeah. It was more of a resigned non-choice for myself considering the extent to which the Democratic side of things chose to embrace and push certain agendas that are a strong no for many Americans. That said I've been pleasantly surprised by at least some of the decisions made.

[D. Adrien]

18 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Good morning,

There are so many unexpected twists and turns watching God’s end-time plan unfold, with the players, nations, and events transpiring.

Daniel 2:21 (KJV) And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

The Lord gives us an imperative: what are we to be watching for?

Mark 13:35 (KJV) Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: [emphasis]

Many observe that a Jewish 3rd Temple must be standing for the Beast to desecrate it at the midpoint of the tribulation. The Temple priests have been identified and trained for service, all implements have been made and ready for sacrificial service, and the unblemished red Heffer was finally bred in Texas of all places. It only takes the ashes of one or two unblemished red Heffer's to last centuries. 

The Bible does not say or imply when the 3^rd Temple will be built. Many assume it will be rebuilt under the auspice of the seven-year peace confirmation the Antichrist confirms. Only three problems prevent the immediate Temple construction: location, location, and location. Several things or events could immediately remove that obstacle at any time. Witnessing God’s plan unfold right before our eyes is fascinating.

Considering the field presented vying for my vote, I was an ardent Trump supporter. There is some strangeness transpiring that I do not comprehend. Overall, I think Trump has made many wise choices for his department heads, IMO.

With two assignation attempts under his belt and his age, you would think Trump would reevaluate his eternal spiritual condition and who he surrounds himself with for personal and national spiritual advice. The first name to come to mind would be Franklin Graham, or comparable theology, NO!

Are you aware of whom Trump appointed for the newly created Faith Adviser Office? Paula White – Cain. Why would Trump appoint such a person with known ties to the false prosperity gospel, grave soaking, and necromancy? Interesting and potentially telling?

President Trump Announces Appointments to the White House Faith Office – The White House

Reading these two official appointments above, how many Biblical things come to mind (from church leader requirements as Christ as the Head to prophecy)?

John 16: 1-4, (ESV)

1“I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. 2They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you.

Happened then and will happen again.

Christians are already viewed as haters by those who hold that homosexual love is an acceptable form of behavior. The continuance of mixing Eastern religions with hybrid Christianity, resulting in an easy believism for those seeking to feel good about themselves, mankind always needing an object of scorn to level their hate against, will seek to rid the earth of those who hold that God's word; the Bible, still has meaning for the modern world.

Various words have crept into use within Christianity today originating in the occult. Many are being swayed into a false sense of unity and a brotherhood of humanity culminating in a world religion setting a standard that is opposed to the will of the one true God.

Words such as at-one-ment; from atonement. But at one with whom? Cosmic Jesus; not the same Jesus. Spiritual guide; a name for an unseen spiritual entity advising the Believer. There are several more coming into mainstream use that are derived from false religions. Many books detailing mysticism or spiritualism and how to seek a connection.

Christians need to be careful with what they are partaking of. Being well versed in scriptures helps avoid pitfalls.

A system of governance is the Beast. Be it democracy, communism or a theocracy. If it is not the Kingdom of God it is a beast. It will ravage all peoples while it camouflages itself as benevolent.

 

 

Edited February 10 by D. Adrien
Another thought.

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, D. Adrien said:

John 16: 1-4, (ESV)

1“I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. 2They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me. 4But I have said these things to you, that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you.

Happened then and will happen again.

Christians are already viewed as haters by those who hold that homosexual love is an acceptable form of behavior. The continuance of mixing Eastern religions with hybrid Christianity, resulting in an easy believism for those seeking to feel good about themselves, mankind always needing an object of scorn to level their hate against, will seek to rid the earth of those who hold that God's word; the Bible, still has meaning for the modern world.

Various words have crept into use within Christianity today originating in the occult. Many are being swayed into a false sense of unity and a brotherhood of humanity culminating in a world religion setting a standard that is opposed to the will of the one true God.

Words such as at-one-ment; from atonement. But at one with whom? Cosmic Jesus; not the same Jesus. Spiritual guide; a name for an unseen spiritual entity advising the Believer. There are several more coming into mainstream use that are derived from false religions. Many books detailing mysticism or spiritualism and how to seek a connection.

Christians need to be careful with what they are partaking of. Being well versed in scriptures helps avoid pitfalls.

A system of governance is the Beast. Be it democracy, communism or a theocracy. If it is not the Kingdom of God it is a beast. It will ravage all peoples while it camouflages itself as benevolent.

 

 

Not that I am right, but this is how I view some things

Ecclesiastes 1:9 (KJV) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Yep, history is cyclic, repeated time and again. Religion is a problem in the secular world. It is not a personal relationship with the one true Living God who died in our place. This is what separates religion from Christianity and eternal life. Many historical wars and genocides have their roots deep in religion. John 16:1-4 reminds me of Islam and Catholicism.

We are witnessing a successful ecumenical movement bringing the Protestors back under the so-called umbrella of the one true universal church. You know, the one responsible for the inquisitions and crusades, murdering probably millions. The replacement theology church that backed Hitler. Who and what made the Dark Age dark, with a reformation needed?

The ecumenical leader of the globe’s largest religion, setting on many waters, more prosperous than many nations, is focused on the globe 2^nd largest religion for unity, solely on the only commonality in significant faiths, Abraham, officially signing letters of agreement with Islam sects to unify a one world religion, nicknamed Chrislam.

2 Timothy 4:3 (KJV) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;  

Yep, how many churches today have the prosperity gospel and feel good about yourselves gospel taught and preached to them? A socialist Mother Earth Pope preaching unity, the environment, and climate change, never anything about Jesus Christ and the Gospel. He has said many ludicrous things, such as baptizing ETs, if you are a good person, you will go to heaven, etc.

Dozens of popular multi-millionaire televangelists are scratching itchy ears, leading their congregations astray; Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Rick Warren, Paula White, Joyce Meyer, and TD Jakes, to name but a few, avoiding sound doctrine for riches of this world.

In hindsight, we can follow along with the letters Jesus wrote to the seven churches in Rev. 2-3, the history of the church age written in advance, and even date them. The Laodicean church age precisely describes the age we are living in.

Shewwe, rereading this, it sounds like a rant. 

[tatwo]

23 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

The Bible does not say or imply when the 3^rd Temple will be built.

Greetings @Dennis1209...I took your redirect from the "Did the Broligarchy grab the Pulpit on the way to Washington?" Forum upon your request out of curiosity. Heres a couple of thoughts that I have...

The "Third Temple" a physical temple is the classic "red herring." I am not saying that they won't try to or actually build one...just that it is a distraction from what the Lord Yahshua is actually doing in His house today. It will catch the eyes of the blind as I see it?

There are plenty of verses and references in the pages of scripture pointing out that any physical structure that man make is inferior to God's own temple which He is presently building...and He will not "dwell" therein. Here is just one of them...emphasis mine.

“The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;  (25)  nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things…” Acts 17:24-25 NASB Many simply have not received the understanding of these things...yet.

Tatwo...:)