The New Normal?

[tatwo]

On 2/14/2025 at 3:54 PM, missmuffet said:

God is the One who is really in control even though many would deny it. He is letting all of this happen because it is in His plan for this world.

Let's define “in control?” Was God “in control” over the life of Brother Job? He was…and yet Satan took everything Job had…all his property and children…was God in control? He was…but by no means was He…God…guilty of doing to Job what Satan did...but as the one who was in control...God allowed it...but did not do it.

Was God in control when Israel was enslaved in Egypt? He was...was God in control when the 10 plagues were poured out upon Egypt while leaving Israel right there in Egypt? He was...did God exclude obedient Israel from His wrath...which He poured upon Egypt?

He did...He was in control and with the 10th plague...it was only obedient Israel who survived the destroyers assault upon all the first born in Egypt. 

God was in control…with Job and Israel in Egypt missmuffet…there can be no doubt that His purposes were wrought in those scenarios...the result was as it always will be...His glorious character was put on display...just the same. So perhaps we agree?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 2/14/2025 at 3:54 PM, missmuffet said:

He will take the born again Christians out of this dark and evil world at his perfect timing.

Yes and this will be after they accomplish “His purposes” in creation and not before…think Job. And when He does…it won’t be to protect them from the evil of the dragon…the beast…the harlot…and the lawless one…no. They present no threat to the eternal Sons of God…I mean how could they?

The Body of Christ…under the leadership of its glorious Head…are very near to being perfected as we “speak” if you will. And when they are…and they will be…here on earth. They will proceed to complete their testimony…meaning that Gods Christ will have been revealed to all of creation…in victory sister…in complete and utter spiritual triumph.

It will be a crushing heel stomp to the skull of the devils world and he will be incarcerated.

On 2/14/2025 at 3:54 PM, missmuffet said:

The Holy Spirit will be taken out of the world and God will let Satan have his plans for 7 years.

I have heard many say this missmuffet…but I have never understood just how they think that could ever happen?

Unless I am mistaken…it was the eternal Holy Spirit of the Living God and Father of creation…who existed…before there was a “creation” to speak of…and He will continue to exist as the eternal Holy Spirit of the Living God and Father after this creation has produced His Son.

His Son is the fully mature and gloriously victorious “Christ”…which is the very purpose for why He “made” creation to begin with...to host and support His Son's growth and maturity unto the full stature that belongs to Christ Yahshua.

The entirety of all that the Holy Spirit has created…to be understood as the “heavens and the earth”…has its being and existence within and...is utterly and wholly dependent upon the eternal Holy Spirit of God to maintain that existence.

So if the “world” whose very existence “requires the eternal presence and power of the Holy Spirit” to remain in existence…then what you suggest here…that the Holy Spirit will be taken out of any element of His creation seems…umm…a bit short sighted and utterly incomplete.

Tatwo...:)

[steve morrow]

NOW  THE  JUST  SHALL  LIVE  BY  FAITH

 

PROVERBS 26:11  as a dog returneth to his vomit so a fool returneth to his folly 

--26:12--  seest thou a man wise in his own conceit there is more hope of a fool than of him

 

2 PETER 2:22  but it is happened unto them according to the true proverb ---the dog is returned to his own vomit and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mud---

 

JOHN 4:24  GOD  is a spirit and they that worship  HIM  must worship  HIM  in spirit and in truth

JOHN 5:21  for as  THE  FATHER  raiseth up the dead and quickeneth them even so the son quickeneth whom  HE  will 

JOHN 6:63  it is the spirit that quickeneth the flesh profiteth nothing the words that I speak unto you they are spirit and they are life 

PSALM 119:50  this is my comfort in my affliction for thy word hath quickened me 

 

1 CORINTHIANS 15:45  and so it is written the first man Adam was made a living soul the last Adam was made a quickening spirit

--15:47--  the first man is of the earth earthy the second man is  THE  LORD  from heaven

 

REVELATION  19:10  and I fell at his feet to worship him and he said unto me see thou do it not I am thy fellow servant and of thy brethren that have the testimony of  JESUS  WORSHIP  GOD  for the testimony of  JESUS  IS  THE  SPIRIT  OF  PROPHECY

 

JOHN 3:16  is  HIS  will ??

 

PSALM 143:10  teach me to do thy will for thou art my  GOD  thy spirit is good lead me into the land of uprightness 

ACTS 22:13  came unto me and stood and said unto me brother Saul receive thy sight and the same hour I looked up upon him 

--22:14--  and he said the  GOD  of our fathers hath chosen thee that thou shouldest ---KNOW  HIS  WILL--- and see that just one and shouldest hear the voice of  HIS  mouth

 

2 Timothy 2:19  nevertheless the foundation of  GOD  standeth sure having this seal  THE  LORD  knoweth them that are  HIS and let everyone that nameth the name of  CHRIST  depart from iniquity 

ROMANS 10:13  for whosoever shall call upon the name of  THE  LORD  shall be saved

 

ACTS 3:26  unto you first  GOD  having raised up  HIS  SON  JESUS  sent  HIM  to bless you in turning away everyone of you from his iniquities 

 

EPHESIANS 2:2  wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world according to the prince of the power of the air  ---the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience---

 

LUKE 4:4  and  JESUS  answered him saying it is written that man shall not live by bread alone ---but by every word of  GOD---

 

 

HEBREWS 10:38  now the just shall live by faith but if any man draw back my soul shall have no pleasure in him 

--10:39--  but we are --NOT-- of them who draw back unto perdition but of them that believe to the saving of the soul 

 

1 TIMOTHY 2:11  let the woman learn in silence with all subjection

 

1 TIMOTHY 4:6  if thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things thou shalt be a good minister of  JESUS  CHRIST  nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine whereunto thou hast attained 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

 

[kwikphilly]

14 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Suit yourself Kwik. Have a great day and God bless.

Suit myself? About what?

Just wondering what exactly you wanted to discuss- the Title poses a question,the OP doesn't expound on that question or give me a hint of what this new normal is..... but that suits me fine if you don't wish to answer

[enoob57]

On 2/15/2025 at 8:07 AM, In the Clouds said:

I was pretty sure of your answer; some believe that the Holy Spirit is not taken out of the world.  They think that the HS steps aside and evil is let loose.  If the HS steps aside but is present, that means that the Trinity is present.

I need to delve more into the two trains of thought and beliefs.  Whichever, God's Will Be Done as you say.

 

On 2/15/2025 at 11:39 AM, missmuffet said:

There is a debate in the Church among Christians on the Holy Spirit being present during the 7 year tribulation.

Some think that the Holy Spirit will be absent. There will be the 144,000 who are the Jews who God will have minister to the

world at that time. And there will be the two witnesses as well. Some think that they will take the place of the Holy Spirit.

My position is that the Holy Spirit will be on earth but will not restrain evil as it is done today. My question is that if the Holy Spirit is totally taken out of the 7 year tribulation will those who come to Christ during that time be filled with the Holy Spirit?

Some look at this verse for thinking that the Holy Spirit will be removed.

2 Thessalonians 2:7

⁷ For the ^[a]mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only ^[b]He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.

Scripture says this:

2 Thessalonians 2:6 (KJV)

[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Now as the who or what is not defined and the Church is all over the place with this and here is a good treatise on this reality 
Who / What is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2:6? | GotQuestions.org

To simplify this would be this -There exist only one restrainment of evil and that is Good... in whatever form that would be- it is from God or God Himself
Luke 18:19 (KJV)

[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

One other thought on this: The focal aspect is not taken from presence but the act of restraining ...
 

[tatwo]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

One other thought on this: The focal aspect is not taken from presence but the act of restraining ...

Greetings @enoob57...

This is a great point...it goes along with my earlier post about "all of creation" existing within or literally being constrained in every way...by the eternal Holy Spirit.

Tatwo...:) 

[warrior12]

In the physical realm, there are powershifts taking place for dominace and alignments of nations to overthrow the power of the US dollar, which affects the whole world as trading nations.  There are countries trying to break that power and are forming unions with their own currency to trade between themselves.  More and more nations are joining this union named the BRICS.  

This present Trump administration sees that and rightfully sees to address the situation by now seeking to bring nations that aligns with its loyalty to address the situation by taking sides on which trading bloc or method they want to be attached to. Mr. Trump is using the power of economic pressure to achive this by his tariffs, and other means to subdue nations to make decisions on whom they would be loyal to.  The world is now clearly in division and it has now become a battleground for military and economic advantages and nations has to now make decisons whom they would become aligned to or with.  The US, has the strtegic power of defence for all nations that are not with communist and marxist ideology and Mr. Trump is making his moves as his advisors may outling forseeable events in their conference meetings.

With the US in so much debt, most of it though is from the US corporations and citizens in the form of bonds and US treasuries,  they spend large sums of the tax revenues to service the debt alone, plus the huge some, close to a trillion dollars on their military.  This cannot be sustained and is a drain on the economy.  They also have trading deficits , meaning imbalance of imports and exports.  

At least, this is what I have come to understand in a nutshell . To be frank, I know nothing about politics and economics, but in the last couple weeks listening to the pundits from a wide spectrum on these matters, trying to see where all this is coming from.  To be frank too, the DC was leading the US into unbiblical trends that was bound for disaster.   This is from the phyical  realm as I said.

From the spiritual, what I have learned, even from this forum it is not wise to put to paper what one have either discerned or have witnessed as there would always be doubt and rebuttals , which I can understand, afterall it is of the unseen realm.

Believers must not be alarmed by these events, but stand firm as in Ephesians 6.

In that too, we are of the flesh too and those who have children and grandchildren, would be concerned for their welfare.  Some or none of those may be saved and thus they would be concerned about their souls in this choas. It is natural for seeking to provide and make better arrangements especially for those in the poor countries.

 

If I have made any errors in what I have said , please note the corrections and reply with it as I only write what I have observed.

[TheBlade]

On 2/14/2025 at 2:54 PM, missmuffet said:

The world is a confusing,complicated and scary mess right now. People are calling this the new normal. Donald Trump and Elon Musk are making so many changes I can't keep up with all of them. God is the One who is really in control even though many would deny it. He is letting all of this happen because it is in His plan for this world. He will take the born again Christians out of this dark and evil world at his perfect timing. The Holy Spirit will be taken out of the world and God will let Satan have his plans for 7 years. I have hope and I think that is very important in the world we are living in today. God's Will Be Done. Staying in constant prayer with God is essential.

I don't see "God in control" here. Well we know Satan is the god of this world. Christ said "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place". On this part I see it differently. Also its written He is taken out of they way.. not out of this world. Without Him here no one would be saved. The rest yes amen.. Christ coming for us as He promised. 

[missmuffet]

43 minutes ago, TheBlade said:

I don't see "God in control" here. Well we know Satan is the god of this world. Christ said "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place". On this part I see it differently. Also its written He is taken out of they way.. not out of this world. Without Him here no one would be saved. The rest yes amen.. Christ coming for us as He promised. 

God is in control at all times no matter how dark and scary everything seems. God is beyond our understanding so we continue to pray and ask for trust and faith in His plan He has for this world.

[farouk]

On 2/15/2025 at 9:07 AM, In the Clouds said:

I was pretty sure of your answer; some believe that the Holy Spirit is not taken out of the world.  They think that the HS steps aside and evil is let loose.  If the HS steps aside but is present, that means that the Trinity is present.

I need to delve more into the two trains of thought and beliefs.  Whichever, God's Will Be Done as you say.

HI @In the Clouds I am reminded of 2 Thessalonians 2.7:

"For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."