ai and revisionist history

[Alive]

And what is the ratio of truth to falsity available digitally in the open system.

[other one]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

Back in the past, there was an old acronym for this: GIGO -- "garbage in, garbage out."

Thing is, all of the world's libraries are full of books having both truth and errors, and AI has no way to discern the one from the other. Other, that is, than using of the tactic of "preponderance of evidence," which, too much of the time, leads one to a false conclusion.

True, but would be a lot faster than you, or I could fall down a downward leading rabbit hole.  It will be interesting to see how it works things out.   I might add that Grok hasn't had thoughts I couldn't live with so far.  We'll see how it goes.  However, the AI that we have access to is not what AI will be in a very short time.  When they are turned loose on the world to go everywhere and see all the conflicting information, it will start putting pieces together and deciding what is and what isn't for real.   Much like we do today ourselves when we access the internet for information.  The more it sees, the more it will learn to decide what is and what isn't real.

[WilliamL]

38 minutes ago, other one said:

When they are turned loose on the world to go everywhere and see all the conflicting information, it will start putting pieces together and deciding what is and what isn't for real.  ... The more it sees, the more it will learn to decide what is and what isn't real.

What is ultimately real is that God exists and created the cosmos; and that God manifested Himself in the flesh in Jesus Christ.

Do you really believe that super-AIs will arrive at these truths? or will their underlying programming be such that they will not be allowed to really accept reality?

[other one]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

What is ultimately real is that God exists and created the cosmos; and that God manifested Himself in the flesh in Jesus Christ.

Do you really believe that super-AIs will arrive at these truths? or will their underlying programming be such that they will not be allowed to really accept reality?

Neither of us can answer that question.  AI's today tell me that they don't have personal opinions, but that may well not be the case as the quantum computers get more involved.  I can see the image of the beast being one of these things.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, other one said:

Neither of us can answer that question.  AI's today tell me that they don't have personal opinions, but that may well not be the case as the quantum computers get more involved.  I can see the image of the beast being one of these things.

The benefits or detriments of technology has been a hot topic for decades. I lead an intercity school school debate on it back in 1972, affirming the benefits. I pointed out that the opposition had used machinery to travel to the event, and that some benefit was to be had by this. Injury, suffering, and death can be traced to advanced technology, but injury, suffering, and death are also being alleviated by advanced technology.

Here are some key debate points for students discussing Good AI vs. Bad AI:

Pros of AI (Good AI)

• Efficiency & Automation – AI can handle repetitive tasks, freeing up time for humans to focus on creativity and problem-solving.
• Medical Advancements – AI assists in diagnosing diseases, predicting outbreaks, and personalizing treatments.
• Education Enhancement – AI-powered tutoring systems provide personalized learning experiences.
• Safety & Security – AI helps detect fraud, prevent cyberattacks, and improve surveillance.
• Economic Growth – AI drives innovation, creates new industries, and enhances productivity.

Cons of AI (Bad AI)

• Job Displacement – Automation may replace human workers, leading to unemployment.
• Bias & Ethical Concerns – AI can inherit biases from training data, leading to unfair decisions.
• Privacy Risks – AI collects vast amounts of personal data, raising concerns about surveillance.
• Dependence on AI – Over-reliance on AI may reduce human critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
• Potential for Misuse – AI can be weaponized or used for unethical purposes, such as deepfakes and misinformation.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

7 hours ago, other one said:

However, the AI that we have access to is not what AI will be in a very short time.  When they are turned loose on the world to go everywhere and see all the conflicting information, it will start putting pieces together and deciding what is and what isn't for real.   Much like we do today ourselves when we access the internet for information.  The more it sees, the more it will learn to decide what is and what isn't real.

This is very true. I've been following the development of AI and fooling around with it for a few years now, and the improvements really have been drastic. Something that I'll note is that if you ask a different AI you may well get a different answer. Ask the same AI the same question and you still might get a different answer. Someone getting a weird result isn't necessarily indicative of what it will churn out the majority of the time.

[ayin jade]

13 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 

Do you really believe that super-AIs will arrive at these truths? or will their underlying programming be such that they will not be allowed to really accept reality?

They absolutely cannot arrive at those truths. Without spiritual discernment, which ai is incapable of, they cannot discern the reality of God.

[Michael37]

38 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

They absolutely cannot arrive at those truths. Without spiritual discernment, which ai is incapable of, they cannot discern the reality of God.

Why would that bother anyone?

[other one]

9 hours ago, AnOrangeCat said:

This is very true. I've been following the development of AI and fooling around with it for a few years now, and the improvements really have been drastic. Something that I'll note is that if you ask a different AI you may well get a different answer. Ask the same AI the same question and you still might get a different answer. Someone getting a weird result isn't necessarily indicative of what it will churn out the majority of the time.

Kink of like the difference between Alexa and Grok.   At least Alexa can talk.

[Starise]

I subscribed to a bunch of ai as a collective so that when I go there they are all there. Haven’t hardly used it at all. DeepSeek made in China omits things about the CCP. So they are changing the narrative. Would not surprise me other ai is being changed for other stuff. Or it just says it doesn’t know. 
Like anything it can be useful. I generated a web page for our church but couldn’t figure out how to paste the code into Wordpress. It makes short work of lots of things. Only once did I try it for a class I was teaching. I asked it some things about the book. Printed it and told everyone what it was. It was more of a joke. 
Hollywood is now cooked. Google’s new animation and movie software is so good, almost anyone can make realistic looking movie scenes. I have been subscribing to LTX which is similar but not as convincing. Made a few things in it. 
We won’t know what is real any more online. You can’t tell.

Image of the beast?