Do You Believe This? – Why This Is the Most Important Question You’ll Ever Answer

[warrior12]

34 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That the people will be born from the Spirit of God. Jesus was telling him that the Spirit of God will come and cause the New Birth.

Thank you.  The spirit of God will cause the New Birth and also reside in him.  Before being born again, he had a different spirit, i.e the one of if I may be blunt satan. Why, because we were born in iniquity.  

So the New Birth brings forth a different spirit, that is from God, who opens his mind, heart and soul to the biblical teachings and the Christian way of life that shows and admonishes him to live a different life from the former one.   His mindset starts to conform to the way of the Church and the body of Christ.  

In that regard, he is a new creation, the old things would fade away and the newnest of the gospel would be his pursuit.  Yeh, he would face the temptations, lust and all as Satan is the strongman that like to keep his house filled, and would throw the firery darts to plant fears ect.  So the war starts and war the believer must, and he soon knows the power of the Holy Spirit to help him in those battles.

Thanks closest friendnt, for your reply and blessings to all.

Psalms 51:5

⁵ Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful].

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

Ok, but there is a change and what is the result of that change. Something takes place, that relates to this new life that you did not have before. what is this ?.

because some have to start over ,to rethink why ,what ,how . does not mean every one has gotten it wrong

      "because some have to start over ,to rethink why ,what ,how ."

Yes, every born again believer had to repent in their thinking, change their thinking.

This changed thinking comes from hearing the truth, the word of God, and if you have ears to hear, this truth, light, chases out darkness, un truth, and the light reveals enough truth that FAITH comes, (By hearing the word! )
Salvation is by grace through faith!

 Jesus says, “I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance”
                            (Luke 5:32)

Repent; Strongs concordance; metanoia: Repentance

Meaning: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

A change in your thinking.    ("some have to start over ,to rethink" ) 

Changed thinking produces changed actions. (enabled now by God living within)

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Luther said:

"the whoever apply to both righteous and unrighteous people who were under the jurisdiction of the Sinai Covenant only."

  I would have to disagree. " Whosoever believeth in me " is a statement with no limits in time. Every person from Seth to the last person ordained to eternal life is given the gift of the faith of Christ. That's the unifying or foundational element in salvation.

 God knows who the "whosoever" is. We have no idea who's going to come to Christ or actually be drawn by the Holy Spirit. Both things kind of happen at once. But God gives us a great responsibility (as I'm sure you know) to talk about His salvation through Jesus Christ.

 

Let's make simple. Jesus Christ died for all the people of the world and not just the people of God from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham. Of course this line of the people of God were prophets and they died with the hope to wait for the one apointed by God to take them to his Heavenly Inheritance. 

Definitely they were not ignorant of what was happening in the earth because the people who died after them can filled them up with the resent news. Abraham got to receive his children in that place and with them were the prophets as was David and Esaiah and John the Baptist. 

Those people were prepared and ready and super ready because of John the Baptist. I will not say anything about them because Jesus Christ said that Abraham knows my day and he rejoiced. 

The point now sifts to the dead of the rest of the world the must have some fair knowledge of the coming of the Christ of God to them also because the time to believe from the time the heard the Gospel from Jesus Christ it was three days till his resurrection. The question is were they given more time than that to consider and decide. This not for us to say anything about that.The only thing we can tell that God gave them a fair chance to believe and the Gospel to them was preached with clarity. 

To them the Gospel of Jesus was only preached after the death of Jesus Christ because it was preached from Jesus Christ. 

To that I agree that the Gospel was preached to whoever was in the place of the dead. That everyone heard the Gospel and were invited to believe.  

The people of God definitely believe because they were waiting for the Savior to come to them. But also whoever from the rest of the world in the place of the dead were predestined to be included in Jesus Christ in the same way by believing in him.  I am the Life and the resurrection and those who had died will come to life or will live. How did Jesus say it. 

Berean Literal Bible
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; the one believing in Me, even if he should die, he will live.john 11:25. This statement cannot apply in the grammar it is written to those who had died before Jesus Christ. But a similar message can be said for them when they believed in Gospel of Jesus Christ when it was preached to them by Jesus Christ after his death on the Cross. 

everyone will be Judged according to their faith in Jesus Christ. Every one has to be put in the valley of decision before he appeares before the  judgment sit of Jesus Christ to be judged according to his faith or denial in Jesus Christ. 

Edited May 23 by Your closest friendnt

[FreeGrace]

10 hours ago, Locust said:

to me the term born again is Bible code for starting over . if ya find something that's being done is not working ,then ya may have to go back to the drawing board to recalculate for better results 

The term 'born again' literally refers to the dead human spirit being "made alive" again at the point of saving faith.  Eph 2:5

When Adam ate the forbidden fruit, the warning was "on the day you eat of it, you shall surely die".  However, in the Hebrew, it is literally, "on the day you eat of it, DYING, you shall surely die".

So, 2 mentions of death.  The first one is a process (dying) which indicates that is when Adam began the process of physical death.  He lasted 930 years, per Gen 5:5.

But, ON THAT day, his human spirit died, and all of his progeny forward is born physically alive and spiritually dead.  That is why everyone needs to be born again.  It is the only place that makes sense for where the Holy Spirit dwells.  And Jesus told the woman at the well (John 4:24) that proper worship of God requires the human spirit.

[tatwo]

23 hours ago, Cyoder said:

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

FEW find it.  Sounds promising.  This passage is the one that makes me believe most people are going to hell. Including myself.  Jesus is very clear.  You need to walk with God.  If you just believe, even the demons believe.  Is going to Church a couple times a month and trying to be a decent human enough if you "believe".  If you truly believe, wouldn't you quit your job and become a pastor spreading the Gospel?  These are the things that keep me up at night.  I'll just keep working at it and praying for guidance.

Greetings @Cyoder...

Be of good cheer Brother...you are moving in the right direction as I see it. I must say this journey is about much more that “heaven & hell” which are two created realms and both have a beginning and will have an ending. No...this journey is about being eternal...no beginning no end...in Christ.

You make a good point about the “demons believing” like man...that God is one...and the demons shudder...most don’t even really consider this.

Your question...“Is going to Church a couple times a month and trying to be a decent human enough if you "believe".” It is enough for those who “believe” that this is God’s call for their lives because...it is all they feel the need to do to inherit heaven...which they believe is God’s ultimate will for them. These and many others like them...will be among the very first of humanity to have to face the judgment of this error. Yet there will remain a hope.

You ask...“If you truly believe, wouldn't you quit your job and become a pastor spreading the Gospel?” Here is where I feel you are moving in the right direction brother...it may not be that “you are called" to be a “pastor”...or perhaps you are? In any case...God the Father of creation has had “a unique purpose for you in Himself” since before He hung creation within His eternal presence. Perhaps that is what you are sensing or feeling?

This is the reason I joined this forum...“Do You Believe This?”...I hope to reveal to you and whosever will...some light for “the things that keep you up at night”...this is because I sense that you are seeking and that I may be of assistance.

It is already a battle here...I simply asked a couple of questions and nearly immediately experienced the vitriol of the all assuming religious mind of man. This is not a new occurrence...nor is it new to me...if this discussion becomes futile I have no obligation to be drawn any further into that.

Tatwo...:)

[kwikphilly]

17 hours ago, bdavidc said:

The issue is not whether Paul and Peter both longed to be with the Lord after death, but how that truth fits into the full context of Scripture. Yes, Peter said in 2 Peter 1:14 that the Lord showed him he would soon put off his tabernacle, meaning his body. Paul also said in 2 Corinthians 5:8, “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” These verses do affirm the believer’s hope beyond physical death. But this hope must be understood within the context of the resurrection and the return of Christ, which both Paul and Peter also preached.

 

Neither Paul nor Peter taught that believers go directly into full bodily resurrection at death. Paul clearly says in 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 that the dead in Christ will rise at His coming, not before. In 1 Corinthians 15:52, he said the resurrection happens “at the last trump,” not at the moment of death. While it’s true that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord in spirit, the full experience of eternal life, glorified, resurrected bodies, comes at Christ’s return (Philippians 3:20–21).

 

The context of both apostles’ words is not to promote some detached spiritual state, but to affirm the believer’s confidence in the promises of God. Their hope was rooted in resurrection, not escape. So your claim that I ignored the context is incorrect. When Scripture is handled properly, we don’t isolate one statement, we look at the entire counsel of God (Acts 20:27). Paul and Peter both taught the same truth: death is not the end, and the believer’s ultimate hope is the resurrection and eternal life with Christ, according to God's timing, not man’s interpretations.

Amen!

God is the Same yesterday,today & forevermore- His Word Has Always BEEN from before time as we know it,the Great I Am- God the Son,the Word Made Flesh

The Written Word is the Same throughout- Believing God as Abraham did,The Promise of the Seed to Come,the Messiah,God's Word.

It's so very simple ,there's nothing to interpret,nothing to speculate on..From Genesis 3:15  we see the Gospel Promise ,it is the very same a as John 3:16!!!!

Good Word! PRAISE JESUS

With love in Christ,,Kwik

I'm wondering why anyone would complicate Jesus Blessed Assurance?Everyone is a " whosoever".

 

 

Blessings

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[farouk]

2 hours ago, tatwo said:

Greetings @Cyoder...

Be of good cheer Brother...you are moving in the right direction as I see it. I must say this journey is about much more that “heaven & hell” which are two created realms and both have a beginning and will have an ending. No...this journey is about being eternal...no beginning no end...in Christ.

You make a good point about the “demons believing” like man...that God is one...and the demons shudder...most don’t even really consider this.

Your question...“Is going to Church a couple times a month and trying to be a decent human enough if you "believe".” It is enough for those who “believe” that this is God’s call for their lives because...it is all they feel the need to do to inherit heaven...which they believe is God’s ultimate will for them. These and many others like them...will be among the very first of humanity to have to face the judgment of this error. Yet there will remain a hope.

You ask...“If you truly believe, wouldn't you quit your job and become a pastor spreading the Gospel?” Here is where I feel you are moving in the right direction brother...it may not be that “you are called" to be a “pastor”...or perhaps you are? In any case...God the Father of creation has had “a unique purpose for you in Himself” since before He hung creation within His eternal presence. Perhaps that is what you are sensing or feeling?

This is the reason I joined this forum...“Do You Believe This?”...I hope to reveal to you and whosever will...some light for “the things that keep you up at night”...this is because I sense that you are seeking and that I may be of assistance.

It is already a battle here...I simply asked a couple of questions and nearly immediately experienced the vitriol of the all assuming religious mind of man. This is not a new occurrence...nor is it new to me...if this discussion becomes futile I have no obligation to be drawn any further into that.

Tatwo...:)

Hi @tatwo Not everyone is called to be a public preacher, but all true Christians can be encouraged by the exhortation of the writer to the Hebrews (10.25): "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

[Your closest friendnt]

On 5/22/2025 at 2:46 PM, bdavidc said:

Is this difficult to digest?  Yes, it is, when Scripture is being twisted.

John 11:25-26 is not split into two parts with separate meanings for different time periods. Jesus is making one unified declaration about the power of eternal life through faith in Him, regardless of whether someone lived before or after the Cross.

  @bdavidc Greetings. 

Let's look at John 11:25-26 posted below. 

 John 11: 25-26 25 Jesus said to her, 

“I am the resurrection and  the life. The one who believes  in me will live, even though   they die; 26 and whoever   lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe   this?”

What did Jesus said and what he did not say. Strictly from scripture. 

He said: I am the resurrection and the life. 

Let's look first about "I am the Life". 

In Genesis 3:3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

You will die includes that before they disobey God and eat from the fruit of that tree they were in Life. Their Creator gave them of his Life. He breathed in them His Life. 

Man before the fall had the Life of his Creator in him. 

Adam had the task, the onus, the burden (no matter what word we use) to remain in the Life by his full obedience to his Creator. 

Their Creator had given them one commandment and the result of obedience to this commandment it was that they continued to be in the Life. The tree of death was in the Garden because Eve said we can eat from any tree but not this one and we must not even touch it. 

The tree of Life was in the Garden also. And if we understand the Gospel the tree of Life had no fruit yet. Jesus Christ must come and die in full obedience first before bearing the Fruit of Life and offer it to the fallen man or to mankind. The fruit of the tree is the Eternal Life. After Jesus Christ death on the Cross. The Gospel was preached after Jesus Christ death on the Cross because he is the one who died for the forgiveness of sins. He gives eternal forgiveness of sins and he gives life eternal because our sins are on him on the Cross and are not counted against us. We are free from our sins and our disobedience. We are in what Jesus Christ gives after the Cross to anyone who believes in him. Eternal forgiveness of sins and we are eternally alive in his forgiveness and in his eternal life.

Because Jesus Christ testing finished when he died on the Cross in obedience to God his Heavenly Father. He obeyed Him if Jesus disobeyed God He also will fall. 

 

 

 

On 5/22/2025 at 2:46 PM, bdavidc said:

He said, “I am the resurrection, and the life. He that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live, and whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?” This is not a complex theological riddle. It is a straightforward truth: those who believe in Christ receive eternal life. Even if they physically die, they live eternally with Him.

The attempt to separate this into distinct periods, saying the first line applies to Old Covenant believers and the second only to those after the Cross, is inserting artificial divisions into the text. Jesus does not say this. He uses the word “whosoever,” and that applies across all time. The Bible teaches that all who are in Christ are alive to God (Romans 6:11), but that does not mean they escape physical death. Hebrews 9:27 makes it clear, “It is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.” The “never die” Jesus refers to is not the avoidance of physical death, but the promise of eternal life, free from spiritual death and condemnation (John 5:24).

The Gospel is indeed glorious, but only when it is rightly understood. It does not need poetic overreach or spiritualized speculation to make it sound more appealing. What Jesus said is already powerful, clear, and true. If someone finds it “difficult to digest,” it is probably because they are adding human reasoning to what God already said plainly. So believe what He said, without carving it into pieces. The ones who live and believe in Christ will never perish, not because they will not die physically, but because they are eternally alive in Him. That is the real Gospel.

 

[farouk]

17 hours ago, warrior12 said:

Thank you.  The spirit of God will cause the New Birth and also reside in him.  Before being born again, he had a different spirit, i.e the one of if I may be blunt satan. Why, because we were born in iniquity.  

So the New Birth brings forth a different spirit, that is from God, who opens his mind, heart and soul to the biblical teachings and the Christian way of life that shows and admonishes him to live a different life from the former one.   His mindset starts to conform to the way of the Church and the body of Christ.  

In that regard, he is a new creation, the old things would fade away and the newnest of the gospel would be his pursuit.  Yeh, he would face the temptations, lust and all as Satan is the strongman that like to keep his house filled, and would throw the firery darts to plant fears ect.  So the war starts and war the believer must, and he soon knows the power of the Holy Spirit to help him in those battles.

Thanks closest friendnt, for your reply and blessings to all.

Psalms 51:5

⁵ Behold, I was brought forth in [a state of] iniquity; my mother was sinful who conceived me [and I too am sinful].

Hi @warrior12 Reminds me of James 1.18: "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

John 3 shows the new birth is indeed the work of God........

[TheBlade]

No Jesus is not asking us today you are. Its almost the classic turn or (forgive me Father) burn. Praise GOD anyone no matter how they come to Him with love or a threat to burn be lost or be separation from God He never turns them away. He said if you were blind you would have no sin you say you see your sin remains. Most are blind for in todays world whos JESUS are we talking about? No one is lost by some mistake or they never heard no those are blind.  

 Then some times when we get questioned, pushed .. "that is not what scriptures says" "that is not written" we answer. Some cases that's true but most of the time we  do not want to be wrong we know you are wrong not me ;)

So praise GOD saying Yeshua/Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. Its far easier to be saved then lost for anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. OT NT. He said that.. we get no say in who comes to Him.. but we do try to push them in our way huh.  What saves is John 3:16-17 Rom 10:9-10 its believing He came in the flesh died on the cross for the words sin was buried rose the 3rd day is the only say to the Father. Church? Yes amen we should all not forsake the gathering how ever we do it but if one never went to Chruch or stopped they are still His again we get no say in this. What we really need to know is... 

Their His creation .. their His kids. He knows He sees their heart we do not. We always should be aware of where we are when we preach for we can be walking on someone else's ministry...someone elses foundation. 1st Cor 13 and the fruits of the spirit. 

I find in life what I have seen heard most of us are doing this our way not His. If they are for me they are not against me.  See for GOD so loved the world. What He showed me years ago is Him crying for no one new no one knew how much He loved them. So what do we preach? Is it Him telling us to do this? Is it Him leading? Go for it.. go anywhere say anything.. He will say nothing. Its why we pray and seek ask Him where He wants us to go.. to make sure He prepares the hearts. For they can only come to Him if He pulls draws them. Just saying "JESUS is asking today" praise GOD..