Unscriptural Hymnals In Worship

[Guest]

Boy Do I Love You, You Rascally Brother!

Blood Brothers Forever, Hallelujah!

I Trust My Salvation To The LORD Jesus Christ

And I Trust Your Salvation To The Same LORD Jesus Christ

I Trust The Spirit Of The Living God Will Keep You Safe And Pour The Oil Of Gladness Upon Your Heart

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24-25

And Put You In Your Own Mansion Close To Mine So We Can Sing Together To The KING, Hallelujah!

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:1-3

And Where I Can Visit And Rejoice With You Brother poorinspirit Together For A Few Billion Years Or So.

Think Your New Name Could Be Brother RichInSpirit!

Yeap! Me Too!

Look At This Old Hymn Dear Brother

It's In KJV Too!

Praise Ye The Lord, Hallelujah!

Hallelu, Hallelu, Hallelu, Hallelujah,

Praise ye the Lord!

Hallelu, Hallelu, Hallelu, Hallelujah,

Praise ye the Lord!

Praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah,

Praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah,

Praise ye the Lord, Hallelujah,

Praise ye the Lord!

http://www.biblestudycharts.com/CH_Praise_Ye_The_Lord.html

Scripture Reference (Sort Of )

Psalms 150

Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his sanctuary: praise him in the firmament of his power.

Praise him for his mighty acts: praise him according to his excellent greatness.

Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed instruments and organs.

Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high sounding cymbals.

Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD. Praise ye the LORD.

Hallelujah!

Love, Your Brother Joe

[damo1]

damo1

oh brother poor in spirit who has been whispering sweet lies in your ears and who has tripped you up you are coverd in my prayers my friend and i am praying that god puts decent christians in your path in the neck of your woods and i am trusting that he puts some real christians in your life as you do not need these fake ones in your life brother

you are so close but you just need that little push and bam when the holy spirit convicts you poor in spirit you wil see what we have been trying to share to you if you can only open up and alow your self to have a teachable spirit god can do some amazing things in your life poor in spirit so know this my friend i do not hate you i do not despice you and i do not hold on to grudges my brother but i am keeping you in my prayers poor in spirit as you need some real christian friends in your life you do not need those fake ones brother as they are leading you on a path that is very destructive

please poor in spirit use your head my brother and get rid of that convincing spirit that is manipulating you like this and seek to get to know the true and living god i know who i worship with all my mind with al my heart and with al my soul and with all my spirit

may the lords love fal on you may he shine on you may he watch over your heart over your mind and over your soul poor in spirit as you are preciouse to him he created us in the image of him we are his children even if we are crazy rebelious step children his guiding hands are not to far from us

peace brother from damo

[Guest arturo63]

The Church of Christ goes through this same debate about every ten years or so when someone takes issue with the scriptural correctness of the song "Just a Little Talk with Jesus"; and sooner or later it comes out that the individual who is doing the whining usually has an agenda of some sort.

One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. I submit that that includes an allowance for a lack of ability to articulate our thoughts properly in whatever language we speak or sing. We are told when we pray that "the Spirit intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words", and I severely doubt God is so rigid that He will zorch someone for not singing exactly the 'right' doctrine, especially when the worshipper's heart is in the right place.

Incidentally, I have no intention of learning to speak and read the Aramaic of Jesus' day. God will have to accept my contemporaneous English.

[Redefine_Me]

......One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. ......

AMEN! I think all of us Worthy-ers should tape this to the top of our computer monitors!

By the way, in Have a Little Talk with Jesus, is it the "prayer wheel turning" that causes the controversy? I've always wondered what a "prayer wheel" was But I sure love that song

[sheya joie]

......One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. ......

AMEN! I think all of us Worthy-ers should tape this to the top of our computer monitors!

By the way, in Have a Little Talk with Jesus, is it the "prayer wheel turning" that causes the controversy? I've always wondered what a "prayer wheel" was But I sure love that song

I looked up 'prayer wheel' on Wikipedia and got this.

Hope that helps.

[Redefine_Me]

......One of the blessings of grace is that within the bounds of holiness there is room for variation. ......

AMEN! I think all of us Worthy-ers should tape this to the top of our computer monitors!

By the way, in Have a Little Talk with Jesus, is it the "prayer wheel turning" that causes the controversy? I've always wondered what a "prayer wheel" was But I sure love that song

I looked up 'prayer wheel' on Wikipedia and got this.

Hope that helps.

Very interesting! I wonder what that is doing in our Have a Little Talk with Jesus? Things that make me go "hmmmm".

By the way - that was Arturo's first post - Welcome to the Worthy Boards!!!

[angels4u]

Would you mind citing the hymns and their text to show us which ones you are thinking to be unscriptural?

There have been a few songs that I have found to be unscriptural. The first one that comes to mind is the song "This Kingdom" by Geoff Bullock. The first verse goes like this:

Jesus God's righteousness revealed.

The Son of Man, the Son of God,

His Kingdom come.

Jesus, redemptions sacrifice.

Now glorified, now justified,

His Kingdom Come......

I was pointed this out once and since then have never been able to sing this song with the rest of the congregation - When it says "Jesus, redemptions sacrifice", and then referring to Jesus again it says "Now glorified, now justified"...... and I can't help but think that Jesus never needed justifying on the cross, so this line is unscriptural. It seems just a line that this song-writer added to rhyme with "glorified".

For a while, my church changed the lyrics to either "Now glorified, we're justified", or occasionally "Now glorified, He justifies". But in the past year or so, since we changed to a new computer system for our lyrics, it has gone back to the original.

I can't say I'm a fan of that, and I never sing it as the lyrics state it. Giving praise and worship through song does not mean compromising our theological understandings simply because the lyrics sound good.

Another song that comes to mind is based on Psalm 51, which goes:

And cast me not away, from your presence O Lord,

And take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Return unto me, the joys of your salvation,

And renew a right spirit within me.......

Even though it is based entirely on the words of the Psalms, I'm not sure about the validity in singing it in church today, considering that the role of the Holy Spirit has changed in the Old and New Testaments. In teh Old Testament, the HS was a gift given only to certain people for certain purposes, and could be withdrawn at any time. In the New Testament, the Holy Spirit is promised to us all, to all Christians, and it is a gift that can not be taken away. So to sing a prayer to God that he not take the HS from us is simply not accurate in the modern world.

Anywho, that's just a couple of songs that come to mind off the top of my head, thanks for starting this thread, poorinspirit - a good discussion to work with

All the best,

~ Regards, PA

Hi PA!

Thanks for sharing!! This goes to show why we should discern the hymnals even moreso other than what I have touched base on in regards to our faith.

Amen !

And cast me not away, from your presence O Lord,

And take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Return unto me, the joys of your salvation,

And renew a right spirit within me.......

Those words have so much meaning in them............................we should be singing this as a prayer all the time

I just LOVE this song

[Vickilynn]

Amen !

And cast me not away, from your presence O Lord,

And take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Return unto me, the joys of your salvation,

And renew a right spirit within me.......

Those words have so much meaning in them............................we should be singing this as a prayer all the time

I just LOVE this song

Shalom Angels,

I agree!! And the Scriptures are clear that we can give up the Holy Spirit in our lives. We can quench Him, grieve Him and blaspheme Him.

I believe this song, (which is SCRIPTURE ITSELF) is a perfect example of very Scriptural songs to build up the Body of Messiah. I sing this often!

[poorinspirit]

Hi Cobalt,

Matthew 12:31-32 31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

My point is we are called to test the spirits so if one uses that verse above as to never testing the spirits, then how can anyone discern the Holy Spirit from that which is in the world as in greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world?

Romans 8:26-27 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express . 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.

AND that is why I use the KJV!!!!! One little word and BAM! WHO knows the mind of the Spirit? It is that WHO that makes intercessions according to the WILL OF GOD!!!!!

Romans 8: 26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered (hence no sound therefore indirectly how...? Read on...). 27And he (Jesus) that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he (Jesus) maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV ALL THE WAY!!!! That is a definite statement because of this verse!

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Matthew 18: 19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

In the midst of them in Greek means inbetween!!! Your version practically takes away Jesus being the mediator between God and man to the Spirit!!!!! HOW? The Spirit makes intercessions with groans NOT UTTERED!!!! It is by the Holy Spirit being in us that Jesus Christ that searcheth the hearts ... knoweth the mind of the Spirit BECAUSE HE is the one making intercessions ACCORDING to the WILL of God!

Man.

Nobody gonna hear the Truth now because of all these errant versions. Nobody hears how the commitment to follow Christ is not what Jesus wants us to do because other versions have used the word commit to be something a man should be doing as in "I will" as opposed to entrust in the KJV as in "He will" in well doing in keeping our souls in 1 Peter 4:19.

NOW THIS!!!

Well, thanks Cobalt for finally showing me why nobody was listening... AGAIN all because of errant versions and not the KJV!!!!!

For all you PEOPLE out there that sees nothing wrong with the other versions and you prefer it over the KJV........ man if you don't see why now you should stick with the KJV.... hoo boy.

Come Lord Jesus!! My brothers and sisters are in trouble!!! HELP JESUS HELP!!!!

Okay. Calming down. Jesus is Lord. He told me this would happen. Oh well.

I'm confident that the Lord shall finish the work He has begun in us... even for those left behind at the rapture for the Father shall chasten every child He receives.

Since no correction can be made by scriptures to defend and keep the faith, I shall leave Worthy Board.

One final note....

Jude 1: 20But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,

That is still IN the Holy Ghost as in worshipping IN the Holy Ghost and praying IN the Holy Ghost.

NOT TO

Let alone OUT of the Holy Ghost since so many are calling for Him to fall on them again!!!!

Leaving soon.

According to you, even praying "in" the Holy Ghost would be some kind of horrible act we shouldn't even contemplate.

Most of us who have spent any time reading the Bible are quite able to read the NIV of Matthew 18:19 and know that it is speaking about Jesus, so your KJV-only railings are just a bit hollow. I carry both the KJV and the NIV with me, and I have many other translations as well. Unless you can read the original autographs in the original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, you are still just relying on a translation of some kind, whether that is the KJV, the NIV, the NASB, the ESV or what-have-you.

As nebula said, you are doing the Holy Spirit a tremendous dis-service when you compare Him with demonic spirits, demons or angels. Matthew 12:31-32 speak directly to blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not "testing spirits" as you keep saying. You are taking the Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and dividing them, pushing the Holy Spirit back in some dark corner out of your way. You can keep pushing, but He won't stay there.

Oh Cobalt,

Tell me how you are NOT ignoring the Holy Spirit if you are LED by the Spirit of God in that the indwelling Holy Spirit seeks to testify and glorify Jesus Christ and will not speak of Himself.... where does that leave you?!! You are ignoring what the Holy Spirit in you is doing.

If someone came in and someone tells you that the stranger is Jesus Christ..... you would be skeptical. If a spirit comes in and somebody says that is the Holy Spirit, where is that testing the spirits then if someone will just pull that verse out and say... no.. you better not....? and that person could be a medium or a new age channeller calling for that spirit to come that has slipped in among your assembly. Would you want to change the way you worship by not heeding Whom the indwelling Holy Spirit is pointing to so you can chase after this other spirit or to receive it? How can you say you are NOT preahing another spirit than the the One you had already received?

And what about the promise of never hungering nor thirsting again for coming to Jesus of John 6:35? How can you say that you are "sealed" with that spirit of adoption if you are a leaky bottle in need of continual filling? How does that lie not take your eyes off of Jesus?

And it is a lie for calling the Holy Spirit to fall on you or to come when He is already in you. Such double talking is not the simplicity of the Gospel. You guys are adding to Jesus things that takes people eyes off of Him and steals their rest in Jesus.

So you are pushing the Truth of the real Holy Spirit in you to the side so you can have your signs and wonders which is not after seeking the face of Christ.

Being how the KJV is from the Received Text (Textus Receptus) and the other bible versions were translated from the ones in Alexandria Library where the gnostics documents came from also, and since scriptures are to testify of Jesus for the sole purpose of believers coming to Jesus.....

John 5: 39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. 41I receive not honour from men.

42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. 43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. 44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? 45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 15: 26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Philippians 2: 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

But you have your errant bible versions as you believe you are not in the wrong when I just pointed out grammar wise in your errant bible version that the "he" in verse 27 of Romans 8:26,27 cannot be the Spirit if the "he" that searcheth the hearts also knoweth the mind of the Spirit... for he (Jesus) intercedes for the saints according to the will of God because Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man... the man Christ Jesus. How can the Holy Spirit intercede otherwise if in verse 26 he does it with groans not uttered as in NO SOUND? That leads to how the Holy Spirit fulfills the role of the Comforter by being in us as Christ is our Mediator between us and the Father.

So... are you going to STOP ignoring the indwelling Holy Spirit and the scriptures and go to Jesus?

[poorinspirit]

Because you are putting the Spirit of God on par with angels and demons - and that is wrong beyond comprehension.

The Holy Spirit is not "just another spirit." He is God - one with the Son, one with the Father.

Bye bye, nebula!!! Bye bye Worthy Board!!! I really do LOVE ya!!

O appear, Lord Jesus!!! Appear!!!! Let thy LIGHT shine forth and make the clouds of deceptions between You and them be GONE!!!!

I went through a time when I was a part of a small group of believers that thought we had this great revelation from God that was above everyone else, too - all believers are deceived but us - so I know how strong this kind of deception can be. The fact that you won't tell angels4u what group or doctrine you belong to confirms that you consider yourself separate form all other believers.

I find it sad that you do not understand the oneness of God, how when One speaks, they all speak, and when you pray to One, you pray to all (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) - else they cannot be One.

OK - farewell, and I pray your deception be driven away.

Well, the battle is the Lord then. It is amazing that in your stance to defend what you are doing, the name of Jesus is mentioned less and less in your walk and talk and thus I wonder if His name is really above very other name when you resort to blurring the lines to speak of the Holy Spirit more than Jesus. You say they are all One.. and I agree, but yet as much as everyone accused me of ignoring the Holy Spirit, it is you that is ignoring what the Holy Spirit in you is doing and that is to tesify and glorify Jesus Christ and thus leads to the question... are you LED by the Spirit of God in doing what the Holy Spirit in you is leading you to do?

So what is your answer,and how can you continue doing that if you believe you are led?

Can anyone go wrong by focussing on Jesus, the Good Shepherd? Seems a sure Way not to have Him say.. I know ye not whence ye are.. depart from me ye workers of iniquity if you are relating to Jesus. If the indwelling Holy Spirit and scriptures and all the invitations given are pointing to Jesus and scriptures warns of thieves and robbers that would climb up another way around Jesus.... seems to me Jesus is the strait gate from all the apostasy that is to exist before His appearing.

As I said.. the battle is the Lord.

I rest in Jesus' promise that there is no more hungering nor thirsting for coming to Jesus and thus no continual filling afterwards for I am a new creature in Christ filled with the Holy Ghost thus "sealed" with that Spirit of adoption whereas Jesus becaomes My Good Shepherd and not just My Saviour.