Calvin vs. Arminius

[pokemaughan]

God's prerogative is His glory... this is revealed both in wrath and in mercy. His goal isn't to make me happy and tend to me and make me feel loved... sure, this is a by-product of His nature, but it's all for His glory

[Rhonda Lou]

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A Calvinist witnessing versus an Armenian witnessing.

When I clicked on the link in your post, I got my own home page. That's not what you had in mind, is it?

Rhonda

Oops.

http://www.revkevindeyoung.com/2009/08/mon...g-humor_24.html

Thanks!! It always amazes me that some of the greatest evangelists (Jonathan Edwards, Charles Spurgeon, Paul, Peter, John to name a few) believed in predestination. It does not exempt us from witnessing because we do not know who is chosen and who is left in their sins. Only God does, and He commands us to witness. Jesus commanded it, and we are not called to decide who is saved and who isn't -- we are just called to witness and let the Holy Spirit take over.

I also liked your assessment that it is not about us, it's about God's glory!!

Rhonda

[nebula]

A Calvinist witnessing versus an Armenian witnessing.

http://www.revkevindeyoung.com/2009/08/mon...g-humor_24.html

Calvinist witnessing

Person: "What must I do to be saved?"

Calvinist: "There's nothing you can do. Salvation is of the Lord."

Person: "If there's nothing I can do, then why are you talking to me about this?"

Calvinist: "Good question."

Arminian Witnessing

Arminian: "Jesus died for you and paid for all your sins. Just believe"

Person: "Great! If my sins are all paid for, I guess I have nothing to worry about then."

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Well, that about sums up the debate, doesn't it?

[Miss Elly]

A Calvinist witnessing versus an Armenian witnessing.

http://www.revkevindeyoung.com/2009/08/mon...g-humor_24.html

Calvinist witnessing

Person: "What must I do to be saved?"

Calvinist: "There's nothing you can do. Salvation is of the Lord."

Person: "If there's nothing I can do, then why are you talking to me about this?"

Calvinist: "Good question."

Arminian Witnessing

Arminian: "Jesus died for you and paid for all your sins. Just believe"

Person: "Great! If my sins are all paid for, I guess I have nothing to worry about then."

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Well, that about sums up the debate, doesn't it?

Very good summation. All this hullabaloo is much ado about nothing. If Calvin had only used the words "God foreknew who is going to be saved" instead of "predestined" then we may not be having this debate. And the Arminian folks explaining that your choice to be saved does not give you a license to sin, and if you do, then you are accountable for it. Wisdom is worthy of her children.

[nebula]

Miss Elly!

[JCISGD]

IMO Calvinism is Fatalistic and this is one of the false gods spoken of in Isaiah 65:11, Gad = luck and Meni = fate.

To say a sinner is unable to repent but God will send them to eternal torment for not being chosen is the same as accusing God of infinite tyranny.

Sinners are able to repent, but they rebelliously choose not to despite the Holy Spirit influence. Those that do repent are those who aided by the Holy Spirits change their supreme preference of serving themselves to that of serving God. This is true salvation and a mental accent to Gods sovereignty while persisting in rebellion is not.

[EricH]

A Calvinist witnessing versus an Armenian witnessing.

http://www.revkevindeyoung.com/2009/08/mon...g-humor_24.html

Calvinist witnessing

Person: "What must I do to be saved?"

Calvinist: "There's nothing you can do. Salvation is of the Lord."

Person: "If there's nothing I can do, then why are you talking to me about this?"

Calvinist: "Good question."

Arminian Witnessing

Arminian: "Jesus died for you and paid for all your sins. Just believe"

Person: "Great! If my sins are all paid for, I guess I have nothing to worry about then."

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Well, that about sums up the debate, doesn't it?

Very good summation. All this hullabaloo is much ado about nothing. If Calvin had only used the words "God foreknew who is going to be saved" instead of "predestined" then we may not be having this debate. And the Arminian folks explaining that your choice to be saved does not give you a license to sin, and if you do, then you are accountable for it. Wisdom is worthy of her children.

Except that the Bible actually uses the term predestined. To say that God simply knew them in advance would be to say nothing, since God knows all things in advance

[pokemaughan]

Time is a creation. God is not subject to that creation, but is completely sovereign over it.

[kross]

IMO Calvinism is Fatalistic and this is one of the false gods spoken of in Isaiah 65:11, Gad = luck and Meni = fate.

To say a sinner is unable to repent but God will send them to eternal torment for not being chosen is the same as accusing God of infinite tyranny.

Sinners are able to repent, but they rebelliously choose not to despite the Holy Spirit influence. Those that do repent are those who aided by the Holy Spirits change their supreme preference of serving themselves to that of serving God. This is true salvation and a mental accent to Gods sovereignty while persisting in rebellion is not.

To believe Calvinism is fatalistic is to not know Calvinism. (Although it is fatalistic to those who are perishing. But to those being saved it is grace and love and amazing)

Here is a small sample of the verses you have to get around to deny that the choosing is of GOD.

Some quotes from JESUS;

Matthew 11:27(b)

[JCISGD]

Hi Kross, i respect your position and the grace shown me in your reply.

But i have to say that is your take on the scriptures, we all can provide scriptures saying this proves this or that, but truth does not bypass sound reasoning or else we could not know right from wrong.

You have not addressed my second line which i use to prove my point, if you can soundly refute what i have stated i will be convinced by you.

please dont ask for scriptures untill you have disproven the reasoning first, as i have in past posts provided scriptures but the response is always the same, which comes down to both saying the others interpretation is wrong, therefore back to square one.