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The Bible says that mans life span is 75 years, and in another place says 120 years. (but recently someone broke that limit). Your new doctrine was that most humans once lived hundreds of years, which (as you admitted) God's word denies. If God let some humans live much longer, that doesn't mean He let everyone live that long. Your story is just an addition to his word you inserted to make it more acceptable to you.

That's not the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics is a physical law based on universal empirical observation concerning heat and energy interconversions. A simple statement of the law is that heat always flows spontaneously from hotter to colder regions of matter (or 'downhill' in terms of the temperature gradient). Another statement is: "Not all heat can be converted into work in a cyclic process." That's not what he said. As you see, the 2nd law does not say nothing physical can be eternal. Neither an old Earth nor evolution are inconsistent with the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Because the mathematical basis of the 2nd law is a mystery to you, you don't understand what it actually means. This dodge was exposed so long ago, I'm astonished that any creationist would still use it. Perhaps you don't know what a scientific law is. What do you think it is? And of course, virtual particles pop into existence constantly, in pairs that normally annihilate each other quickly. But sometimes, they can become real, under specific instances. I gave you a link showing how. The universe is a lot stranger and more complex than any of us can understand. But as the man says, everything seems simple if you don't know much about it. Not sure what you mean here. Heat is the transfer of thermal energy, thermal energy being the motion of atoms.

Sure. But that still doesn't show a 2nd and 3rd appearance of Jesus. I do not. Only bowls are wrath as they are the ones called wrath. The Trumps are not wrath and occur before the midpoint, in some cases, per Joel: In Joel 1 we are told by prophecy: 9Grain and drink offerings have been cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests are in mourning, those who minister before the LORD. This is the midpoint when the A of D has occurred. Then Joel 1 tells us this: 10The field is ruined; the land mourns. For the grain is destroyed, the new wine is dried up, and the oil fails. Be dismayed, O farmers, wail, O vinedressers, over the wheat and barley, because the harvest of the field has perished. So at the time of the A of D, the grain is destroyed and the harvest is no more. This is what the 1st Trump does: "7Then the first angel sounded his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, along with a third of the trees and all the green grass." Grain is grass. No harvest, the grain destroyed. At the time of the midpoint, before tribulation and well before God's wrath. Joel 1 also says: The grapevine is dried up, and the fig tree is withered; the pomegranate, palm, and apple— all the trees of the orchard—are withered. Why are they withered and not burned? Lack of fresh water, perhaps? The 3rd Trump: "Then the third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star burning like a torch fell from heaven and landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. 11The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter like wormwood oil,a and many people died from the bitter waters." That's probably not too good for vines and orchards. It looks to me like Trumps are sounding in the first half of the week before the A of D, or at the time of the A of D and of course, well before God's wrath falls. I would say the Trumps are increasing the pressure on people by creating a lack of daily needs, hoping to get their attention that they turn turn to God and repent and beg forgiveness, but they are not wrath. I understand. I don't care for the terminology. It's all God's doing within the overall plan. Satan can do nothing unless permitted, he's a tool God uses. Small distinction perhaps, but I think an important one.

It doesn't say the prince destroys it. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The people, the Romans, destroy it, and the prince who is to come is Roman. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), Matthew 24:14‭-‬15 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.24.14-15.NKJV Abomination of desolation will be in the end.

Hello again, @Retrobyter Again as I have shown you before, the words of Christ spoken by the apostles is what would baptize (immerse) into the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost we become one with them. Joh 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; Joh 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. The words of Christ which is the word of God now has the power of the Spirit and it has nothing to do with sinful flesh. I ask you, do you think one can cleanse their flesh and make it acceptable to a Holy God when it is nothing but dirt? Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Keeping water baptism which was for remission of sins is the problem, it was not a picture of something that would happen or already happened but it was a required act to receive remission. Christ is the truth and the life and He gave us a new message for remission of sins via the new testament in His blood (Mat 26:28) ( hear Him). Most reject His blood or dilute it with water to cleanse their filthy sinful bodies making His blood ineffectual, this is what Paul was conveying. 1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not withwisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. One fact is this, Christ did not use the word water in His commission to the apostles. He was going to ascend and send His Holy Spirit to back up His words. You are arguing for two baptisms when Paul clearly stated there is only one. Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Negative, what you are doing is keeping and old testimony for remission of sins “repent and be baptized in water for remission of sins“. If you want a clean conscience before God believe in the sacrifice of His son and that only His blood has the power cleanse man and if we believe in His resurrection we will have a clean conscience. 1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. How can one believe this is a reference to water baptism? The ark represents Christ who now is our salvation if we are in Him and Noah did not get wet. The ones that got wet were destroyed. Heb 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Water baptism prepared priests to recieve the sacrific and they were to kill it and apply the blood. Again, water baptism was not and is not a picture of salvation.

The border patrol agent didn't say what they did with the terrorists they apprehended.

I can see how the Noahide Laws can be twisted to fulfill the will of the modern pagans. https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/62221/jewish/The-7-Noahide-Laws-Universal-Morality.htm

Our physical laws get interesting when one looks at the possibility of multiple dimensions. Things may just pop out of one of the upper dimensions and not come from nothing, It's just that we can't see or measure the other dimensions. Also, where the heat degrades to.

what did they do with them?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the state of entropy of the entire universe, as an isolated system, will always increase over time. The second law also states that the changes in the entropy in the universe can never be negative. source The second law of thermodynamics states that as energy is transferred or transformed, more and more of it is wasted. It's one of the four laws of thermodynamics, which describe the relationships between thermal energy, or heat, and other forms of energy, and how energy affects matter. The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed; the total quantity of energy in the universe stays the same. The Second Law of Thermodynamics is about the nature of energy. The Second Law also states that there is a natural tendency of any isolated system to degenerate into a more disordered state, according to Boston University. source Since the entire universe is in a constant state of decay and degradation to a lesser form of heat energy, it is an absolute and indisputable fact that nothing in the physical world can be eternal. It is also an indisputable fact the old earth and evolution proponents will argue with every definition of the laws of thermodynamics, even if you quote them from a much earlier post. They, like you, always come up with a different definition that says the same though though they pretend it does not. Then they proclaim that they have the superior knowledge. This dishonesty is very common and predictable in evolution proponents. They also pretend that the first law of thermodynamics is not actually a law, and that things can simply pop into existence from nothingness. Thus they prove that they neither believe in the physical laws of the universe or the greater law; God's will.

We can judge. An earnest and sincere brother may deliver what he believes to be the will of the Lord to another, ignorant of how his own convictions and beliefs are speaking. This does not make the brother a false prophet or a liar. In judging the matter, we discern his sincerity. He's simply mistaken. I've had more than one come to me in such a way and by no means did I react harshly or unkindly toward them. Quite the contrary. I thank them for sharing the burden of their heart with me. It's a precious matter. They will see for themselves as the will of the Lord unfolds. That's how it should be. So many strive in vain to recreate something that passed on over time: what most call the "early church." The early church did not arise because of the efforts of men, and the Body of Christ has not endured since those days because of the efforts of men. Indeed, the Body has endured in spite of man and his vanity. The Lord called me forth after all. Seeing as how He did this, He can call anyone, anywhere, at any given time. I have never considered pastors to be endowed with any measure of authority by God over others... that is, pastors who walk according to their calling in the Lord. A pastor does not appoint himself; He is called. The pastor does not supervise, he watches over the well-being of whomever the Lord places in his care. The pastor serves them as a shepherd serves his flock. In my experience, I have encountered two different pastors: The one who watches over families and children, and one who shepherds the wayward and the struggling. The brother whom the Lord sent me to was both at different times.

Smart man...

Shabbat shalom, again, @Cntrysner. Regarding Ephesians 2:6, it's been erroneously translated many times, and we should take a very close look at it in light of the Greek: First, here's the King James translation within the context: Ephesians 2:1-10 (KJV) 1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation (lifestyle) in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us (has made us alive) together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: 7 That IN THE AGES TO COME he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Now, let's look at the Greek: 1 Καὶ ὑμᾶς ὄντας νεκροὺς τοῖς παραπτώμασιν καὶ ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις 2 ἐν αἷς ποτε περιεπατήσατε κατὰ τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ κόσμου τούτου κατὰ τὸν ἄρχοντα τῆς ἐξουσίας τοῦ ἀέρος τοῦ πνεύματος τοῦ νῦν ἐνεργοῦντος ἐν τοῖς υἱοῖς τῆς ἀπειθείας· 3 ἐν οἷς καὶ ἡμεῖς πάντες ἀνεστράφημέν ποτε ἐν ταῖς ἐπιθυμίαις τῆς σαρκὸς ἡμῶν ποιοῦντες τὰ θελήματα τῆς σαρκὸς καὶ τῶν διανοιῶν καὶ ἤμεν τέκνα φύσει ὀργῆς ὡς καὶ οἱ λοιποί· 4 ὁ δὲ θεὸς πλούσιος ὢν ἐν ἐλέει διὰ τὴν πολλὴν ἀγάπην αὐτοῦ ἣν ἠγάπησεν ἡμᾶς 5 καὶ ὄντας ἡμᾶς νεκροὺς τοῖς παραπτώμασιν συνεζωοποίησεν τῷ Χριστῷ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι 6 καὶ συνήγειρεν καὶ συνεκάθισεν ἐν τοῖς ἐπουρανίοις ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ 7 ἵνα ἐνδείξηται ἐν τοῖς αἰῶσιν τοῖς ἐπερχομένοις τὸν ὑπερβάλλοντα πλοῦτον τῆς χάριτος αὐτοῦ ἐν χρηστότητι ἐφ᾽ ἡμᾶς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ 8 τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ τῆς πίστεως· καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν θεοῦ τὸ δῶρον· 9 οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων ἵνα μή τις καυχήσηται 10 αὐτοῦ γάρ ἐσμεν ποίημα κτισθέντες ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ ἐπὶ ἔργοις ἀγαθοῖς οἷς προητοίμασεν ὁ θεὸς ἵνα ἐν αὐτοῖς περιπατήσωμεν. Verses 6 and 7 are transliterated as .... 6 kai suneegeiren kai sunekathisen en tois epouraniois en Christoo Ieesou 7 hina endeixeetai en tois aioosin tois eperchomenois ton huperballonta plouton tees charitos autou en chreestoteeti ef' heemas en Christoo Ieesou And this is translated word-for-word into English as ... 6 And He-raised-[us]-up-together and made-[us]-sit-together in the [places]-above-the-skies in Messiah Yeeshuwa` 7 so-that He-might-show in the ages the-ones that-are-coming the over-shooting riches of the grace of-Him in kindness upon us in Messiah Yeeshuwa` We're not already there physically in "the places above the skies," except in the Person of the Messiah Yeeshuwa` who is there physically NOW! Rather, "IN THE AGES THAT ARE COMING" He will show the abundant riches of His grace in kindness upon us in the Messiah Yeeshuwa`.

1. It's not doctrine. It's just a fact that the Bible recorded. No evidence? Did you ever actually read the Bible? Lifetimes in Genesis. Is there anything in the Bible with which you actually agree?

https://www.congress.gov/bill/102nd-congress/house-joint-resolution/104/text https://www.congress.gov/101/statute/STATUTE-104/STATUTE-104-Pg130.pdf Executive orders have been signed concerning these laws under each presidency including Trump. You are a smart lady, its best you research for yourself concerning the dangers of these laws, that have nothing to do with the bible. They come from the Talmud.

Thanks, but do any of the 5 reference verses in the OT? So much of Revelation can be found in the OT…

As I stated in above post, I do not subscribe to a 7 year tribulation period do to lack of scriptural support. It is that only last “one week” in verse 27, which has become commonly referred to as Daniel’s seventieth week, that has become popularly known and widely accepted as representing a seven year tribulation period. Because we are instructed to verify the accuracy of any theology being promoted as biblical and taught in the name of Jesus Christ, it is wisdom to always look for at least a second, and possibly a third scriptural confirmation to support the text from which the theology is being taught. That is why I created the list below of the various seven-year periods mentioned in the Bible, excluding those pertaining to genealogy records. To keep the list reasonably short only a brief description is given with the scripture references alone provided. 1. There is the two separate seven-year periods for which Jacob labored for Rachael. The first in which he was tricked and given Leah instead, followed by the next seven years after which he indeed received Rachael, (Genesis 29:18-28). 2. The seven years of plenty and the seven years of famine with Joseph in Egypt, (Genesis 41). 3. Six years the Jews were permitted to sow their land and to gather in the fruits thereof. But the seventh was the sabbatical Shemitah year in which they were to let the land rest, that the poor people may eat, and what remained was for the beasts of the field, (Leviticus 25:2-7). 4. Seven times the seven Sabbath years to the Year of Jubilee, (Leviticus 25:8). 5. The time to build the city of Hebron, (Numbers 13:22). 6. At the end of six years when a Hebrew had been sold into servitude, they were to be released and set free at the beginning of the sabbatical Shemitah year, (Deuteronomy 15:1, 31:10). 7. Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD: and the LORD delivered them into the hand of Midian for seven years, (Judges 6:1). 8. The young bullock that Gideon used to throw down the altar of Baal was seven years old, (Judges 6:25). 9. Jephthah judged Israel seven years, (Judges 12:9). 10. The seven years of famine under David and Samuel, (2nd Samuel 24:13). 11. David reigned seven years in Hebron (I Kings 2:11). 12. The seven years of famine with Elisha. (2nd Kings 8:1-2). 13. The seven years of burning weapons after the war with Gog and Magog, which if there is a seven-year tribulation immediately before the return of Christ, then this war needs to occur before then. (Ezekiel 39:9.) 14. Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with a husband seven years, (Luke 2:36). Of all these, only number 7 might remotely be construed as a seven year tribulation period. Still, there is no mention of a great war, or a slaughtering of the Jews, only that they fled and hid in caves and were greatly impoverished. This is hardly a type and shadow of what is taught as the Great Tribulation. Consequently, Daniel’s seventieth week period is the only “seven year” scriptural reference that I personally am aware of which is used as foundation for the theology of the “seven year tribulation.” According to the popular teaching of this theology, the division “in the midst of the week” is when the antichrist does away with the animal sacrifices that supposedly will be reinstated in a yet to be built third temple in Jerusalem. Now I am well aware how seven years divided by two equals three and a half years, and I acknowledged that there are also several three and a half year periods mentioned in scriptures; being referred to as “time, times, and half of time,” 42 months, or periods of 1260 days, 1290 days, and 1335 days. But, with all these segments of time recorded in scripture, it is not surprising there has always been a lot curiosity as to what these times mean. Sadly, this has resulted in an untold number of exhaustive calculations having been made in an attempt to learn just when they might occur. It is astounding the extreme lengths some of these would-be theologians and prophets have labored to prove they know the dates of these times and when they will occur, especially since scripture clearly states the revelation for some of them are "sealed until the end." That means God must reveal it, and He will in His time. Job 32:8 – But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty gives them understanding. Proverbs 2:6 – For the LORD gives wisdom, and out of His mouth comes knowledge and understanding. 1st Corinthians 2:11 – For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. To assume all the various three and a half year periods mentioned in scripture must be related to either the beginning or end of a seven-year tribulation period would be as imprudent as believing all the previously mentioned seven-year periods were all referencing the same period of time. To me a careful and honest examination of them should produce evidence enough for a thorough dismissal of such nonsense. Therefore, it is reasonable to openly evaluate the meaning or probability of things, and time frames in scripture, I believe considerable caution must be taken when asserting things to an absolute conclusion. For even recent history shows it isn’t hard for someone to earn the title of “false” teacher or prophet. But again, that not to say we shouldn’t consider and compare such texts in-and to the light of history while prayerfully seeking understanding through the Holy Spirit’s illumination. We must first be diligent students of God’s word, and perhaps the greatest reward of study, persistent prayer, and seeking to prove all things, will be the avoidance of being carried away by the flood of false doctrines. For the Holy Spirit warned such would be abundantly promoted in the last day through arrogant men thinking themselves to be something they are not. I am persuaded through scripture that understanding, true clear and accurate understanding, is given by direct commandment of God who first tries the hearts of men. It is never the product of clever men being able to calculate their way through hidden codes in scripture and Harold Camping’s date setting errors should be a sufficient warning to any aspiring date setter. But again, that doesn’t mean we should not, and/or cannot know the times in which we are living, after all Daniel did. Didn’t he? Matthew 11:25 – At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hid these things from the wise and prudent, and have revealed them unto babes. I don't recall mentioning the rapture... I, my friend, am a seeker of truth, and I find the best avenue is having an ear to hear what the Spirit is saying, for it is He who was sent to lead us into all truth. But again, "to whom will He teach knowledge? And whom will He make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk, those just drawn from the breasts. But precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept. Line upon line, line upon line. Here a little, there a little." But the regathering of the Jews to their land is a fulfillment of prophecy, it is but another prophetic sign, while being caught up into the clouds to meet Him is a consummation of prophecies. The Jews (admittingly not all, they cannot agree on things much better than Christians can) believed that the seven days of creation represented seven millennial days, or a period of 7000 years. The first six millennial days where (as according to the 4th commandment) were for men to work out their salvation, and the seventh was the rest of the Lord, where they who did so, and suffered with Him, would indeed be rewarded by reigning with Him. We see this in Hosea 5, where we read how they were going to reject Christ and He was going to be "like a lion to Ephraim, And like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will tear them and go away; I will take them away, and no one shall rescue." And then He would return "again to My place Till they acknowledge their offense. Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me." Then Hosea gives prophetic voice to the Jews at that time of repentance and turning to Jesus Christ in chapter 6, "Come, and let us return to the LORD; For He has torn, but He will heal us; He has stricken, but He will bind us up. After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight." This is the passage Peter was directing us to when he wrote the following - 2 Peter 2:1-10, Beloved, I now write this second letter to you, in which I stir up your pure mind to remember the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of the Lord and Savior by us, the apostles. First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts and saying, Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.5 For this is hidden from them by their willing it, that the heavens were of old, and the earth out of the water, and through water, being held together by the word of God, through which the world that then was, being flooded by water, perished. But the present heavens and the earth being kept in store by the same word, are being kept for fire until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. For the Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not willing that any of us should perish, but that all of us should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a rushing noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat. And the earth and the works in it will be burned up. There is much to address above, but time prohibits for now. But I do appreciate you posting and the structuring of your thoughts, many I once shared, and I do appreciate the noting of "strengthens THE Covenant" over the word spinning of calling it a peace treaty. But IMHO it is speaking of Jesus Christ confirming the covenant of God with His people via His own resurrection which fulfilled the prophetic purpose of the Law, cause it to die having be so fulfilled. Yet, as I posted above, the Jews continuing in their sacrifices rejecting Christ, though one was lawful, was now an "overspreading of abominations, whereby He (God) made it (the Temple) desolate, even unto the consummation (the end)." Therefore, I do not believe the temple will ever be rebuilt...

I personally do not subscribe to a 7 year tribulation, and feel the "great tribulation" was under the siege of Titus wherein more Jews by by atrocities of their own countrymen than by the hands of the Romans, (see my post above). Furthermore, the "great tribulation" also comes with the comment "such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." That "nor ever shall be" shows that time will continue for the world after this period, whereas that is not so in the eschatological view embracing a seven (great) tribulation and the end of the age with Christ's return.

Can you explain how this prophetic message of which the angel's says, the "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy," and has the primary focus on the coming of "Messiah the Prince," who Himself prophesied of the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, suddenly abruptly changes to an antichrist figure in the verse 27? What is the overspreading of abominations was the crucifying Christ afresh with the Jews rejection of Jesus Christ and continuing to sacrifice the type and shadow in rejection for the fulfillment? Is not that what we read in Hebrews, the weakness of the law, the worthlessness of the blood of animals, and how "he says, 'A new covenant, He has made the first old. so that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away?' " Concerning Matthew 24:15, I submit the following for consideration - Adam Clarke’s Commentary: Verse 15. The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel] This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Lu 21:20,21,) refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6,) the *Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mr 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it. *Havercamp’s note here: “This (says he) is a remarkable place; and Tertullian truly says in his Apologetic, ch. 16. p. 162, that the entire religion of the Roman camp almost consisted in worshipping the ensigns, in swearing by the ensigns, and in preferring the ensigns before all the [other] gods.” Josephus – Wars Book 5 -Chap.1 – para. 1 – THE SEDITIONS AT JERUSALEM AND WHAT TERRIBLE MISERIES AFFLICTED THE CITY BY THEIR MEANS; Now as to the attack the zealots made upon the people, and which I esteem the beginning of the city’s destruction, it hath been already explained after an accurate manner; as also whence it arose, and to how great a mischief it was increased. But for the present sedition, one should not mistake if he called it a sedition begotten by another sedition, and to be like a wild beast grown mad, which, for want of food from abroad, fell now upon eating its own flesh. para. 3 – . . . slew moreover many of the priests, as they were about their sacred ministrations. For notwithstanding these men were mad with all sorts of impiety, yet did they still admit those that desired to offer their sacrifices, although they took care to search the people of their own country beforehand, and both suspected and watched them; while they were not so much afraid of strangers, who, although they had gotten leave of them, how cruel soever they were, to come into that court, were yet often destroyed by this sedition; for those darts that were thrown by the engines came with that force, that they went over all the buildings, and reached as far as the altar, and the temple itself, and fell upon the priests, and those that were about the sacred offices; insomuch that many persons who came thither with great zeal from the ends of the earth, to offer sacrifices at this celebrated place, which was esteemed holy by all mankind, fell down before their own sacrifices themselves, and sprinkled that altar which was venerable among all men, both Greeks and Barbarians, with their own blood; till the dead bodies of strangers were mingled together with those of their own country, and those of profane persons with those of the priests, and the blood of all sorts of dead carcasses stood in lakes in the holy courts themselves. And now, “O must wretched city, what misery so great as this didst thou suffer from the Romans, when they came to purify thee from thy intestine hatred! ‘For thou couldst be no longer a place fit for God, nor couldst thou long continue in being, after thou hadst been a sepulcher for the bodies of thy own people, and hadst made the holy house itself a burying-place in this civil war of thine. Yet mayst thou again grow better, if perchance thou wilt hereafter appease the anger of that God who is the author of thy destruction.” But I must restrain myself from these passions by the rules of history, since this is not a proper time for domestical lamentations, but for historical narrations; I therefore return to the operations that follow in this sedition. Cross references: Luke 13:1 – There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose you that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except you repent, you shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think you that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Josephus – Wars Book 5 -Chap.1 – para. 5 They agreed in nothing but this, to kill those that were innocent. The noise also of those that were fighting was incessant, both by day and by night; but the lamentations of those that mourned exceeded the other; nor was there ever any occasion for them to leave off their lamentations, because their calamities came perpetually one upon another, although the deep consternation they were in prevented their outward wailing; but being constrained by their fear to conceal their inward passions, they were inwardly tormented, without daring to open their lips in groans. Nor was any regard paid to those that were still alive, by their relations; nor was there any care taken of burial for those that were dead; the occasion of both which was this, that every one despaired of himself; for those that were not among the seditious had no great desires of any thing, as expecting for certain that they should very soon be destroyed; but for the seditious themselves, they fought against each other, while they trod upon the dead bodies as they lay heaped one upon another, and taking up a mad rage from those dead bodies that were under their feet, became the fiercer thereupon. They, moreover, were still inventing somewhat or other that was pernicious against themselves; and when they had resolved upon any thing, they executed it without mercy, and omitted no method of torment or of barbarity. Josephus – Wars Book 6 -Chap.2 – para. 1 – HOW TITUS . . . PERSUADED JOSEPHUS TO EXHORT THE JEWS AGAIN [TO A SURRENDER]. And WHO IS THERE THAT DOES NOT KNOW what the writings of the ancient prophets contain in them, – and particularly that oracle which is just now going to be fulfilled upon this miserable city? For they foretold that this city should be then taken when somebody shall begin the slaughter of his own countrymen. And are not both the city and the entire temple now full of the dead bodies of your countrymen? It is God, therefore, it is God himself who is bringing on this fire, to purge that city and temple by means of the Romans, and is going to pluck up this city, which is full of your pollutions.”

Just for the record, I believe “the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary” is Titus Caesar, Vespasian’s son who completed the siege on Jerusalem resulting in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 a.d. The verse in Daniel 7:25 is written in Aramaic, and not Hebrew, for from Daniel 2:4 to the of chapter 7 is all written in Aramaic. This was possibly done so and written for Nebuchadnezzar, to whom God had given the dream of and image and also humbled with his seven years chastisement, for chapter 8 begins under the reign of his grandson Belshazzar. That said, and for what it worth, the phrase in 7:25, “And he… shall wear out <bel-aw'> the saints of the Most High” uses the word noted and so translated only once in scripture. It is stated in an interlinear that word <bel-aw'> corresponds to the Hebrew word #1086 (but used only in a mental sense) and means “to afflict:--i.e. wear out.” In Hebrew, the word <balah> means “to fail; by implication to wear out, or decay (causatively, consume, spend):--consume, enjoy long, become (make, wax) old, spend, waste.” The implication is not so much as so many commentators interpret it, as great slaughter, but more of them and their gospel being reduced (seduced) to a state of being unprofitable. I personally feel this is a verse in a chapter from which the Apostle Paul would have taught the saints in his day of how Rome was going to fall from its height of power into smaller fractions, and in doing so give way for the rise of the apostacy of the papacy who would leaven the gospel and in doing so render many professing Christ to become unprofitable to the furtherance of the Kingdom. But... this is a departure from the main topic of what is the scriptural foundation of the seven-year tribulation theology….

But you have no evidence for your new doctrine. As you learned, God indicated maximum human life spans then were as much as they are today.

Keep in mind that Noah was already born in Genesis 6:3, which was shortly before the great flood. The flood didn't happen until after Methuselah died. Post flood, people didn't live as long as they did earlier.

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father." - John 1:14 When the Word became flesh, it didn’t just stop with Jesus. The Word is still becoming flesh as He tabernacles with you, living within your tent of flesh and blood and redeemed humanity in your Christ calling. You are His habitation, His dwelling place, and He has established His throne within the chambers of your heart, as a living tabernacle of His glory. The Word becomes who you are DESTINED to be, within the realms of glory; of grace upon grace and spiritual blessing upon spiritual blessing and favor upon favor and gift upon gift. For the Word must increase and consume your flesh, consume it and be glorified so that when they look upon you they will behold His Glory, and behold one who is indeed begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. "The Word was the true light that enlightens all men....but to all who received Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God -- children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will but born of God." - John 1:12,13 ALBERT FINCH MINISTRY

I agree. In the interest of objectivity, it is important that we honestly acknowledge Israel's shortcomings. But it is also important that we honestly consider the broader context of the conflict. The secular mainstream paints the issue as overwhelmingly Israel's fault. Israel is their big, bad oppressor that is victimizing the poor innocent "Palestinian" civilians. That narrative is the opposite of what is demonstrably true. Therefore, in the context of such a one-sided, mainstream, deceitful narrative, we should be cautious when pointing out Israel's flaws - that we don't give the false impression of equivalent accountability.