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I donot know about other places but things are changing here. The unbelievers and their organisation's are working against believers at the ground level. I have internet but others are not privileged like me, I wish others know Christ and experience God s goodness like me. Forget internet, people are not earning or getting enough to eat. Such is the level of darkness. By God s grace I have distributed more than 400 Bibles , so I want to repeat this work but God's will . Because donot know How the Spirit of God will work

God uses bad to bring the other bad along with it. Satan has a purpose. In addition to bad being often turned for good purposes. The way I see this things have to run their course now. Satan rebelled and pulled a 3rd of the angels away. Satan aided in ruining man the same way he ruined himself, which I believe he thought it to be a death hit on men. He did not anticipate the salvation of men. This must really grate on him since none of the others were offered salvation. Their job was to remain loyal. Now the goal is to entice men further away from God so they will never accept him. One way he does this is through character attacks on God questioning his validity , and discrediting the Bible in twisting it. If Christianity can be seen as passé, he can give men what the flesh has always wanted. A religion that lets them indulge the flesh. Anyone who has a mind to rebel or run counter to God will find lots of company. That’s why there will be millions in hell. This is the catalyst Satan uses, and why I think his presence on earth is used to help purge those people in the end.

Luke 9:23 (NASB20) And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow Me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What part of our salvation are the words ‘take up his cross’ meant to portray…? The simplicity that is in Christ Jesus makes our salvation as simple as believing what God has said He did for mankind… This, what God said He did for mankind is believing that when Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world He did this by taking all of mankind with Him to death…. Thereby fulfilling the law that says, ‘the soul that sins that soul shall die’…. For mankind’s death with Christ on the cross is how Christ fulfilled the law concerning man, thereby God can be ‘both just and the justifier of him that has faith in Jesus’….. For to the degree and depth one believes this truth, to that degree and depth will that one walk in newness of life… For taking up one’s cross is one willingly taking their place, by faith, on the cross of Christ with Him, grabbing onto His death as one’s own…. Taking up one’s cross is meant to portray this faith that would willingly grab unto His death as one’s own death rather than sin…. For this is the purpose of this faith to free one from the power of sin that one was born under when they were born into this world…. For one’s death does free one from all the power that sin has over the believer, it is this willingness to believe in one’s death with Christ on the cross that is the faith that frees…. For this faith that is willing to die rather than sin is the faith that will experience Christ being formed in one, it being the new creation that sins not…. For it, the new creation is a new life that Christ needs to bring to life in one, this life man himself can not bring to life, but is something Christ can and will do if man will accept the salvation offered in Christ and choose to be dead on the cross with Christ…. Thereby as scripture says, ‘take up one’s cross daily’, meaning, that by faith remain on that cross through all the circumstances of life…. For this is the one and only way to be made free from all the influences of one’s fallen nature, which nature has been separated from one by one’s death on the cross with Christ…. For the believer is to live by faith, that faith being that when Christ died on the cross He took all with Him to death, taking up one’s cross is by faith holding onto this truth that He might bring to life in one the new creation without the hands of self tainting it with that which self can do, or, in other words, ‘that which is not of faith’… For our salvation is a free gift, it can have nothing of self in it so one might not glory in oneself but in what Christ Himself has done in and for one…. The cross being that place of separation, blessed are they that do indeed embrace by faith their death in Christ, for the salvation offered in Christ as a living reality will be experienced by the faith that so grabs unto this taking up one’s cross and by faith trusting Christ to live His life in and through, being that life that sins not…. For if one is not grabbing onto their death in Christ one is not taking up their cross and is leaving something on the table that was meant to be experienced by the believing one…. To the experiencing of the freedom of the new life that the cross brings to life in the believing one….. Unto Him, Not me

I hold true that one’s death on the cross with Christ is the foundation of discipleship….. May that discipleship ever be increasing, a fellow believer, Not me

I have visited Nursing homes ministering to the elderly. I have seen this repeatedly. Once the Holy Spirit embeds Himself in a Christian He never leaves.

May you be blessed in your discipleship of our Lord…. A fellow follower, Not me

Very good post, and good to read and be reminded of these things. I see the replies morphfed into end times but the precept of your op is very good. IF we love Him, keep (do) His commandments. Thank you . . . .

What about the efficacy of the Blood of Christ ? Heb 9:14 14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hi, What of online Bibles? Such as is provided by https://www.wordproject.org/bibles/in/ Are these resources of use?

They had these questions on a Dutch forum with angry exchristians and atheists. The topic was called: 200 questions for the believer and I thought: Oh nice. Lets answer these and convert this bunch. That was not so smart. I had never thought about such things. They called me a New Testament sugar christian and one gave me the Troll of the year award. What I came up with then, really thinking I had to protect God and make them love Him and not be mad, was that He was so naive that He had no clue satan was ever gonna sin and that He could do nothing about it. And then one Jewish agnostic guy there came to my rescue and later he was on a christian forum in the middle of the night and asked if someone could pray for his dad who was about to die. He used a computer from the hospital to ask the question. So awesome. I prayed for his dad and am sure he went to heaven. Anyway He lets him loose after 1000 years and just, since he rebelled anyway and will never convert, uses him as a thing for not so neat purposes, like Romans 9 says, just like pharao who sinned against the Spirit. Derek Prince said He created us to overcome him and only if you do you passed the test and may go to heaven. It would be babying everyone if He had locked him up and protected us. With Job He just uses him so he gets to know Him. I write to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, Because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, Because you have known the Father. I have written to you, fathers, Because you have known Him who is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, Because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, And you have overcome the wicked one. I John 2:13‭-‬14 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/1jn.2.13-14.NKJV And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.” Luke 22:31‭-‬32 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.22.31-32.NKJV

Beautifully said about a spirit of prayer and our witness. Unbelievers oftentimes observe Christians. What do they see as we do everyday activities? Do they observe the peace and love of Christ towards others in our lives?

Maybe He was just a bit bored from a few million years(give or take) of not much going on except a bunch of Dinosaurs running around, but that's a whole nother topic. I really think He just wanted Satan to remain even until the very end to test those whos hearts may have not been or still are not fully devoted to Him, but it would really take a lot more time to explain what I'm really trying to say, as maybe you can tell from the first sentence in my comment?! Either way, it's really just best not to question God, unless you are a JOB type figure who has lost everything in a very tragic way, and then maybe God will let slide any accusations against Him, but I wouldn't recommend questioning Him too much unless you have a very good reason for doing so... just saying from personal experience.

And then there are those sites where a robot wants you to prove you are not a robot . . . but really it's the robot's masters that commission it to do stuff.

Interesting read, for sure. Thanks. My idea of a "surprise" was a bit different, which wasn't addressed in the article. So, consider this: Rev 13:14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. Just a thought...

I could dramatize this, and yes hearing God is always special for me, but not so dramatic as it’s a fairly common occurrence as I suspect it is with many or most believers. For instance, I might awake and think to myself, should I attend church today? This would really be my lazy flesh trying to question what I already know the answer to deep down. Sometimes I think we do that. We ask God questions we already knew the answers to. What might be more confusing is which church? And we might be seeking the Lord on that one. Waiting on His leading. A friend of mine who held home church for several years relocated and jokingly told me he didn’t want to go to ‘church’. I knew what he meant by that. His church had comfortably been at his home and now he had to go to a church building. Legalism would say it should be in a church building. Obviously not the voice of God. I don’t believe God speaks through people who make up rules and then tell us what we ‘should’ do. I once had a pastor scold me for attending another church with my girlfriend( pre marriage days). In his thinking it was wrong not to attend the church I was a member of, even if my girlfriend was there. This is where people will try to pass legalism off as the voice of God. Scripture can be misrepresented under the guise of love when really what it is, is manipulation. The leading of the Lord is peaceful, not pushy. If God really is leading, and we run from it, We don’t get very far before the realization eventually comes. Which brings up another issue. Do we always want to hear the voice of God? John 10”my sheep hear my voice”. Sometimes as believers I think we can become full of hearing, or we don’t want to know. Why would that be? Possibly we dread the outcome we think is in store. Jonah would be a good example of this. Don’t you think Samson didn’t hear that small voice, “she is bad for you”?

You've got a point but for many who are new, a fresh look at the matter, without wading through a thousand or two thousand postings, is easier. By the way, have you realized that this theme of partial rapture answers all the others. The firstfruits and Overcomers partake of a pre-tribulation rapture. Those left are matured by the heat and dryness of the Great Tribulation and could be harvested during the Tribulation. And the gleanings, like the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11 fulfill a post Tribulation rapture. I think it's WORTHY of its own thread. Go well.

Real prayer is a continuous quiet realization of God's presence in our lives. Testimony works best when it is done with patients so that the Holy Spirt is made manifest in our humble daily activities. Accusing people is being on the wrong side of the courtroom, be a defendant so that your supporting love is making a case for accepting forgiveness.

yes different things are happening against believers here. If I am not wrong there will be strict rules and regulations to check the growth of number of believers. You know we meet unbelievers but I think it will be wise to talk to them they come for fellowship and we give Bibles that to this should be a top secret and others should not know or else more problems for believers and others will arise. Here there are fellowships and house Churches so I think we can talk to these fellowship and house Churches and provide Bibles that too with prayers and encouragement. I think we can send Bibles to others secretly. I think having large number of Bibles is not good. I would say Bibles between 20-30 is good to distribute. We have to see the time and place and consider everything. I can say as we have no Bibles we donot give them we should be prepared in season and out of season as Bible says. I think we should distribute less numbers of Bibles but increase the days of distribution. I think we have to change our strategy in Bible distribution

I started with Revelation myself. At the time I had no idea it was the last book in the Bible. People joked that I was going to end up reading it in reverse.

Acts of kindness will have a lasting affect to unbelievers. I still recall acts of kindness by Christians toward me before I was Christian. I'm speaking 40+ years of remembrance.

I donot think so, most new Christians and unbelievers may love to read from the old Testament, because they have eagerness to know more. New believers may not understand old Testament soon but their willingness to know more will help I think it's enemies plan to keep people from reading or mediating God 's Word. Here if one is not getting Bibles or not reading its enemy who has blocked it

I have given Bibles to both believers and unbelievers I personally feel others should started reading psalm first and any scripture which God may guide. I can give Bible and they may start as they like some many want to read old Testament first

Rev man.... thanks for your response. Once again we are going to butt heads. Now, with all due respect..... I find myself in total disagreement with pretty much everything you have shared. As you have many, many times declared.... "I have been called to prophecy.... I now more than anyone else about Revelation, and prophecy"..... Please correct me if I am wrong..... and that you didn't say those things. Because you are pre-trib.... I have a really hard time believing anything you say/interpret about Revelation, Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Joel, Isaiah... Matthew, Thes 1&2, Corinthians, Luke.... etc. You say that you will be out of here BEFORE the 70th week of Daniel starts... before the Great Tribulation.... and then you go about trying to interpret the Book of Rev, the Book of Daniel....etc Why should anyone believe you? And please.... don't tell us that you are leaving information for those who are "left behind" Anything that doesn't line up with the pre-trib dogma falls into the category of... metaphor, analogy, its prose...it doesn't really mean that.... its anything but what is actually written. Its like you are saying that God the Holy Spirit has Alzheimer's or something..... like He can't say what He means. Euphrates River is a metaphor for "plagues"? ROFL.... you're killing me brother.

God's voice is The Word, but also the Holy Spirit, but being as God is a Spirit He speaks to us in the Spirit, the problem is most people do not understand how to TUNE God in. For starters, prayer, and (very important) WAITING ON the Lord as you are praying, there comes a point where you just sit still and WAIT upon the habitation of the Lord. The Lord inhabits the Prayers of His people. Expect God to show up and commune with you and He will but if you do not have time to WAIT He may not show up. Then you will hear His small still voice clearly. Atheists can never understand this concept, if the atheist is a "Smoker" I can usually demonstrate this in basic terms they can grasp. I simply ask them, when you want a cigarette do you (lets say his name is Mike) say Mike, take out a Cig, and light it up or do you just "TAKE OUT THE CIG.......and light it up?" And they say, well, of course I just take it out and light it up. So, I am like, "well your spirit sent that message unto your brain, because YOUR WILL was to smoke". God as a Spirit talks unto you in the same manner, He is not a human nor an Angel with a body, He is a Spirit. Nothing God has ever been or is now has ever changed, He is constant in all of His ways. So, we can only hear by God learning to tune Him in. IF.........we listen to a Talk Show in our drive in to work, and lets say Rock Music on our drive home from work, and if we watch Sports or Movies on Nights and Weekends, and if we go to a Bar or a Movie, or Bowling, and spend ONE HOUR a week with God on Sunday, who are we going to hear in our spirit? Satan will be whispering unto us 24/7/365 pretty much.

Wonderful lists. I had never seen the complete list of numbers.

God’s word is fascinating, written at such a level that only the Creator of the universe could have inspired it. The Gospel is written so simply that a child can understand it. It is so deep, the deeper we dig the more there is to discover. I suspect we are only scratching the surface of what can be learned this side of being tutored by the Lord Himself. Many generally read past numbers, names, and genealogies as insignificant. I have a long list of numbers and their general association or application as you mention (posted at the end). Hebrew and Greek names are also fascinating. Often, their names give a mini thumbnail about their occupation, character, traits, where they are from, etc. I have often wondered how the parents had that future insight when they were named. Speaking of names, is it a coincidence the first ten generations are meaningful when written out in an understandable sentence? [credit: Dr. Chuck Missler] FIRST TEN GENERATIONS Adam (Man) Seth (Appointed) Enosh (Mortal) Kenan (Sorrow) Mahalalel - Mahalaleel (the blessed God) Jared (shall come down) Enoch (teaching) Methuselah (His death shall bring) Lamech (the despairing) Noah (rest or comfort) “Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest” Our Bible is not a science book, but all the details given long before it was understood are amazing. BIBLICAL NUMBERS ONE: Unity TWO: Union; Division; and Witnessing THREE: Resurrection; Divine Completeness; Perfection FOUR: Creation; World FIVE: Grace; God’s goodness SIX: Weakness of man; Number of Man; Evils of Satan; Manifestation of Sin SEVEN: Completeness; Spiritual; Perfection EIGHT: New birth; New Creation or new beginning NINE: Fruit of the Spirit; Divine completeness from the Lord TEN: Testimony; Law and Responsibility ELEVEN: Judgment or Disorder TWELVE: Governmental perfection THIRTEEN: Depravity and Rebellion FOURTEEN: Deliverance or Salvation FIFTEEN: Rest SIXTEEN: Love SEVENTEEN: Victory EIGHTEEN: Bondage NINETEEN: Faith TWENTY: Redemption TWENTY-ONE: Exceeding Sinfulness of Sin TWENTY-TWO: Light TWENTY-THREE: Death TWENTY-FOUR: The Priesthood TWENTY-FIVE: The forgiveness of sin TWENTY-SIX: The Gospel of Christ TWENTY-SEVEN: Preaching of the Gospel TWENTY-EIGHT: Eternal life TWENTY-NINE: Departure THIRTY: The Blood of Christ; dedications; mourning THIRTY-ONE: Offspring THIRTY-TWO: Covenant THIRTY-THREE: Promise THIRTY-FOUR: Naming of a son THIRTY-FIVE: Hope THIRTY-SIX: Enemy THIRTY-SEVEN: The Word of God THIRTY-EIGHT: Slavery THIRTY-NINE: Disease FORTY: Trials; Probation; Testing's FORTY-TWO: Israel’s oppression; Lord’s advent FORTY-FIVE: Preservation FIFTY: The Holy Spirit SIXTY: Pride SIXTY-SIX: Idol worship SEVENTY: Universality; Israel and her Restoration ONE HUNDRED: God’s election of Grace; Children of Promise ONE HUNDRED-NINETEEN: The Resurrection Day; Lord’s Day ONE HUNDRED-TWENTY: Divine period of probation ONE HUNDRED-FORTY FOUR: The Spirit guided life ONE HUNDRED-FIFTY THREE: Fruit bearing TWO HUNDRED: Insufficiency SIX HUNDRED: Warfare SIX HUNDRED-SIXTY SIX: The number of the Beast; Antichrist EIGHT HUNDRED-EIGHTY EIGHT: The first Resurrection Saints THOUSAND: Divine completeness and Glory of God

I think this thread should have been put into the defense of post tribulation thread