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In the Bible, anointed Christians are called Jesus’ brothers, and as his brothers, they share the same Father and the same mother. (Hebrews 2:11) Their Father is God Almighty. Hence, their mother is the “woman,” being heavenly, is God’s (wife like) celestial organization. They become a secondary part of the seed, Christ Jesus, being the primary part. The remaining anointed ones of these spirit-begotten Christians on earth make up the balance of (144,000) God’s visible organization that serves under his womanlike organization in the heavens. (Revelation 6:11) There, they will be united with Christ Jesus at their resurrection.-Romans 8:14-17.

It seems to me that these anointed were killed/martyred before-even thought their number (144,00) had not to be fulfilled.-Revelation 6:11.

The woman that John sees in heaven is not a literal woman. She is a sign, or a symbol.-Revelation 1:1. In some scriptures, women are represented as organizations “married” to inanimate things/beings. In the Old Testament, Israel was spoken of as a wife of God. (Isaiah 54:5; Jeremiah 3:14, 20) In the New Testament, the congregation of anointed Christians is spoken of as Christ’s bride. (Revelation 21:9-14) The symbolic woman John sees is also symbolically married to someone, and she is about to give birth. Later her child is “caught away to God and to his throne.” (Revelation 12:5) God claims the child as his own. Therefore, the woman that John sees is God’s symbolic wife a universal organization of spirit creatures (Jerusalem), in other words- His heavenly organization.-Isaiah 54:5, 13 The apostle Paul adds: “The Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.” (Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:26; Philippians 3:20) The “woman” seen by John, then, is “the Jerusalem above.” The symbolic reference to “birth to a son…” refers to the birth of God’s kingdom with Jesus as enthroned as King.

Concerning the Christian congregation, Jesus said, at Matthew 16:18, that “the gates of Hades will not overpower it.” Since Hades refers to the common grave of mankind, a place rather than a condition, Jesus entered within “the gates of Hades” when buried by Joseph of Arimathea. On Pentecost of 33 C.E., Peter said of Christ: “Neither was he forsaken in Hades nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses.” (Acts 2:25-27, 29-32; Psalm 16:10) Whereas “the gates of Hades” were still holding David within their domain in Peter’s day (Ac 2:29), they had swung open for Christ Jesus when his Father resurrected him out of Hades. Thereafter, through the power of the resurrection given him (John 5:21-30), Jesus is the Holder of “the keys of death and of Hades.”-Revelation 1:17, 18. Therefore, it becomes apparent that Jesus’ promise of victory over Hades means that its “gates” will open to release the dead by means of a resurrection, even as was the case with Christ Jesus himself.

John 8:1-11 are deemed to have been added several centuries after John’s penned this inspired gospel. Consequently, they are suspect and not all version/translations of the Bible contain them. It is suspect to me that this account does not mention, imply, accuse, and condemn the woman’s partner. Have you considered this? Was she married? Was the participating partner married? Was she single and therefore actually guilty of committing fornication? Under the Mosaic Law, fornicators were not subjected to the same discipline under fleshly adultery. Just as verse 6 states: “…they were saying this to put him to the test….” There are other scriptures where the scribes and Pharisees tried to put Jesus to a test with the intention to make accusations against him. In verse 7, Jesus was making a point of showing mercy. It seems to me that he indicated/implied that the accusers may themselves have been guilty of adultery/fornication. The difference was that their conducts were not uncovered. Is it not the same in modern times? For example, is not a woman’s sexual misconduct viewed differently than a man’s?

v The image (statue) that Nebuchadnezzar dreamt and the vision (beasts) that Daniel dreamt-during the reign of Nebuchadnezzar’s grandson (Belshazzar) are the same. Daniel 2:38-40 and 7:4-7 refer to the Babylon, Medo-Persian, Greek and Roman world power/kingdoms. The beast mentioned at Revelation 17:10 is referring to the same two accounts in Daniel-with the exception of the first two world powers: Egypt and Assyria and the last dual kingdom Great Britain and United States. When Revelation was penned only one world power was evident: Rome (Revelation 17:10). The last power, symbolized by the seventh head of the “seven-headed beast,” referred to a future power. I agree that this specific prophecy of the seventh power/head refers to “end times” only. The “three kings” that you mentioned were remaining and part of the smaller ten-kingdoms that arose from Rome’s dissolution/fall, but not during Rome’s dominance.-Daniel 7:20. The small horn (Daniel 7:8) refers to Great Britain of who conquered the three remaining horns: Spain, Netherlands and France. I do not understand how the “antichrist/s” is relevant in these prophecies.

This is a symbolic city that is made up of the 144,000 anointed, who were sealed “out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” (Revelation 7:4-8; 14:1, 3) In harmony with this, the foundation stones have on them the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. The New Jerusalem is not the fleshly nation of Israel founded on the 12 sons of Jacob. It is the spiritual Israel, founded on “the apostles and prophets.”-Ephesians 2:20. In ancient times, city walls were built for security to keep out enemies. The symbolic city has a “great and lofty wall” shows that she is spiritually secure. No enemy of righteousness, no one unclean or dishonest, will ever be able to gain entrance. (Revelation 21:27) But for those allowed in, entering this beauteous city is like entering Paradise. (Revelation 2:7) After Adam’s expulsion, cherubs were posted in front of the original Paradise to keep out unclean humans. (Genesis 3:24) Similarly, angels are posted at each entrance of the holy city Jerusalem to ensure the spiritual security of the city. Indeed, throughout the last days, angels have been guarding the congregation of anointed Christians, which becomes New Jerusalem, and without false religious practices and beliefs.-Matthew 13:41.

The woman that John sees in heaven is not a literal woman. She is a sign, or a symbol.-Revelation 1:1. In some scriptures, women are represented as organizations “married” to inanimate things/beings and used symbolically in prophicies. In the Old Testament, Israel was spoken of as a wife of God. (Isaiah 54:5; Jeremiah 3:14, 20; 31:31 Hosea 2:2, 7, 16) In the New Testament, the congregation of anointed Christians is spoken of as Christ’s bride. (Revelation 21:9-14) The symbolic woman John sees is also symbolically married to someone, and she is about to give birth. Later her child is “caught away to God and to his throne.” (Revelation 12:5) God claims the child as his own. Therefore, the woman that John sees must be God’s symbolic wife. Centuries earlier, God had addressed this symbolic wife. (Isaiah 54:5, 13) Jesus quoted this prophecy and showed that these sons were his faithful followers, who later formed the congregation of anointed Christians. (John 6:44, 45) So these members, spoken of as God’s sons, are also children of God’s symbolic wife. (Romans 8:14) The apostle Paul adds the final piece of information when he says: “The Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.” (Genesis 3:15; Galatians 4:26; Philippians 3:20) The “woman” seen by John, then, is “the Jerusalem above.” Since Paul spoke of her as “above,” and John sees her in heaven, she is clearly not an earthly city; neither is she the same as “New Jerusalem,” since that organization is the bride of Christ. (Revelation 21:2) Notice that she is crowned with 12 stars. The number 12 is associated with completeness in an organizational setting. Hence, these 12 stars seem to indicate that she is an organizational arrangement in heaven, just as ancient Jerusalem was on earth. Jerusalem above is Jehovah’s universal organization of spirit creatures that acts as his wife, both in serving him and in producing symbolic offspring.

That future time will not be the time to preach the “good news of the God's Kingdom.” The time for spreading God’s word mildly has likely passed, it will then be the “time of the end”. Now a hard-hitting message will be declared. The Bible likens this message as to “hailstones”-a simile-referring to a proclamation of God’s heavy verbal judgments against Satan’s wicked system. Compare Psalms 148:7; Isaiah 28:2-17.

John the Baptizer’s responsibility was to attempt to turned many of the Israelites back to pure worship toward God. (Luke 1:16; John 1:31) Then Jesus and his apostles followed up in this work, toward “the lost sheep of the house of Israel,” by opening blind eyes to the false traditions of men. (Matthew 15:24; 10:6) Yet, only a remnant accepted Jesus as Messiah and were saved.-Roman 9:27; 11:7. Secondly, to the Jewish nation, non Jewish people of the “nations” were likened to dogs of which were considered unclean animals. However, in likening the gentiles to “little dogs”-which might be kept in a home, and not to wild dogs of the street-Jesus softened the comparison. Nevertheless, what Jesus said was likely to test the woman‘s faith. Rather than taking offense, the woman humbly and correctly interprets Jesus’ reference to Jewish prejudices and continues her plea.

ATTENTION: Tatwo I am replying to your post made on October 13, 2022. These are very complicated scriptures to explain and understand via communications other than a face to face discussion. Keep in mind that much of Revelation is figurative/symbolic similar to many other scriptures throughout the other Bible books. I have referenced other supporting scriptures for Revelation 12:1-5. Getting a sense of these few scriptures may help clarify my last post that you have inquired about. I put these in alphabetic order for easy referencing. Some are figurative, supporting, fulfillments and so forth. Compare: Genesis 3:15; Psalms 2:6-9; 110:1; Isaiah 26:17, 18; 54:1-8; Daniel 2:44; Galatians 4:19, 26 (Paul’s example); 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Hebrews 10:12; Revelation 1:13, 16; 19:15, 16. Yes, this is a lot to digest, but contemplate and meditate on these scriptures and others that you may have more familiarity with. I am sure that you will get a sense of beginning of the 5th chapter of Revelation. My understanding was not immediate either.

It is symbolic for the birth of God's kingdom with Jesus enthroned as king.

Consider a few scriptures on how God view lies/liars: Exodus 23:1-3; Proverbs 6:18; 11:20; 14:5; 1 John 4:20; Revelation 221:27; 22:15. In support, James 4:4 talks about "...friendship with the world...enemy of God." And at 1 John 5:19: "...world is in the power of the wicked one." Furthermore; the Devil/Satan "...is the father of the lie."-John 8:44.

In support, embryo/infants are separate people/beings and are not part of their mothers.

The dreams revealed to King Nebuchadnezzar and the prophet Daniel are the same prophecies: Babylon (present-at that time); and, future dominate powers: Media-Persia, Greek and Roman-with the exception that Daniel 's dream does not mention a symbolic beast for the seventh kingdom compared to the "feet" in Nebuchadnezzar's. The "feet" or seventh power is present on the world scene now. It is a duel power: United States and Great Britain. Revelation 17:9, 10 is also referring to these two Dreams/prophecies.

Question 1 and 2 are similar. They both refer to the world empire of false religion. Question 3 are the main political world powers (Commercialism also) that worked in concert with false world religions. Both are destined for destruction (6 world powers already have).

This prophecy is not referring to Jesus. It is referring to one of Alexander's of Greece-after his death-generals: Ptolemy I of Egypt. The initial "king of the south."

Please explain-if you know-what secular or religious historical event was recorded 490 "literal" days after this prophesy at Daniel 9:24-27 was made? The prophecy is not referencing days but “weeks of years” and points to the appearance of the "Messiah" (Jesus Christ) at the start of the 70th “week” of years (Daniel 9:25) and indicating his sacrificial death in the middle or “at the half” of the final week, thereby ending the validity of the sacrifices and gift offerings under the Law covenant. Compare Hebrews 9:9-14; 10:1-10. God, through Christ, did extend the blessings of the Abraham covenant to the natural offspring of Abraham, excluding the Gentiles until the gospel was taken to them through Peter’s preaching to the Italian Cornelius. (Acts 3:25, 26; 10:1-48) This conversion of Cornelius and his household occurred after the conversion of Saul of Tarsus, which is generally considered to have taken place in about 34 C.E.; after this the congregation enjoyed a period of peace, being built up. (Acts 9:1-16, 31) It appears, then, that the bringing of Cornelius into the Christian congregation took place about the autumn of 36 C.E., which would be the end of the 70th “week,” 490 years from 455 B.C.E.

The prophecy at Daniel 8;14 are not consider days but years. Same as the "weeks"- of years-starting at Daniel 9:24.

According to M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1891, Vol. IV, p. 122) comments: “In Isa. lxv, 17, a new heaven and a new earth signify a new government, new kingdom, new people.” In the Bible, “earth” does not always refer to our globe. For instance, Psalm 96:1 says literally: “Sing to Jehovah, all the earth.” We know that our planet cannot sing. People sing. This Psalm is referring to the people on the earth. If “heavens” can symbolize the superior ruling power or government so, to “earth.” represents a new society of people. John’s vision refers to the passing away of “the former heaven and the former earth.” (Revelation 21:1; compare Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 20:11.) In the Christian Greek Scriptures, earthly governments and their peoples are shown to be subject to Satanic rule. (Matthew 4:8, 9; John 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:3, 4; Revelation 12:9; 16:13, 14) The apostle Paul referred to “the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places,” with their governments, authorities, and world rulers. (Ephesians 6:12) So the passing away of “the former heaven” indicates the end of political governments along with Satan and his demons. This identification of “the former heaven” harmonizes with the fact that shortly before the statement concerning the “former heaven having passed away,” John had seen a vision of the complete defeat of Satan’s forces and the casting of Satan into “the abyss.”-Revelation 19:19-20:3. As for the new earth, following the pattern of the ancient fulfillment, the new earth will be made up of people-from all nationalities, languages, and races-who gladly submit to the rulership of the new heavenly government. After the passing of the present wicked system of things, this group will form the nucleus of a new earth that will eventually be a globe-encircling society of God-fearing humans who inherit the earthly realm of God’s Kingdom.-Matthew 25:34.

I agree with your understanding of Revelation 1:1; however, I do not agree with your understanding about John writing to literal angels and then having them present message to the seven congregations.-Revelations 1:20 “Angels,” sometimes are literal, but that what John wrote to were symbolic “seven stars”-leaders/elders of seven (lampstands) congregations. There is no need for John to write to literal angels, of which, would subsequently “relay” the messages to the congregations. In the Bible, “star/s” is used as literal and in a figurative sense such as in metaphor and similes to represent people/s. Do we not use a “star” metaphor-for emample-when honoring athletes or actors in movies? Compare: Genesis 15:5; 37:9, 10; 44:14; Numbers 24:17; Isaiah 14:4, 12, 13; 1 Corinthians 15:40, 41; Jude 11-13.

In my Bible eagles are mentioned instead of vultures. Regardless, Jesus used metaphorical and symbolical meanings. Read few passages before should help you get the sense that Jesus was giving a few conditions/examples that would take place before his presents and of the Kingdom. The “eagles,” which are known to be farsighted, represent Christians, with farsightedness, will be present at the “body”-which represents Christ.

Consider a few scriptures that may give you a foundation in building a satisfying answer.-Matthew 7:20; 12:33; 21:43; John 13:35.

I do not understand/interpret "man" as referring to Noah exclusively. The entire human society-excluding Noah and his family-were not considered righteous or just in God's eyes. Remember that even though Noah was not perfect, he, nevertheless was considered righteous and deserving of life. The the reference to "one-hundred and twenty years" does not refer to one's life expectancy-at that time-but the number of years before divine justice against the wicked human society would be destroyed.

This is a good question. I am not sure if the "Holy Spirit" influence/came upon Paul of the others in his company. Regardless, this seems a bit similar to the account at Matthew 16:21-23. Also, consider Acts 21:14.