Congress should be calling for a state of war

[other one]

Who is going to pay for this war?

And how many times will the members of my family who are currently serving have to be deployed for this war?

Will those who are calling for war enlist this time and give my folks a break?

Depends on how we process the war... If we don't get on thier level of fighting, we can't win.... haven't since before Viet nam... actually starting with the Korean UN peace keeping thing that most of us call a war.

I'm not sure the American people have the stomach for that.

[gdemoss]

If you read the Koran, Buchari's Hadith and "Reliance of the Traveller" (authorized english version of Sharia Law) you will find that Islam is at war with western civilization and has been since just after world war II when we broke up the Caliphate..... and if the general public and thier governments don't grasp this, Islam will win this war....

Right now islam has no chance of winning anything against of west and this will remain as such for the foreseeable future. They're just incredibly weak military, INCREDIBLY weak.

Do you really not understand who are the ones that are incredibly weak? It was a sin for David to count the men of Israel ready for war for a specific reason. Numbers and military might are not a factor in who wins the war. The twin towers was a sample of what God is going to allow Islam to do to this nation. We are weak and feeble, ready to die as a nation because we have forsaken our God as a nation. Islam is more righteous before God than we are. They have a strict moral code while we have liberal excess of licentiousness. They fast for a whole month each year while we are the most obese of all peoples. The list goes on and on but people cannot see. Brace for impact.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

I don't even know where to begin here. Islam is more righteous before God than we are? There may not be as many as there were, but there ARE at the least tens of millions of Christians in this nation. One of the sole purposes of Islam is to destroy Christianity, more righteous before God? They lie about Jesus being the Son of God, more righteous? They lie about Moses, Abraham, Isaac, more righteous?

How many of the 10's of millions of Christians are lying about Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jesus? Understanding judgment is paramount in this case. It is about who God is going to use to judge whom. The fullness of the gentile nations has come in just as the fullness of those nations that Israel judged when they came into the land.

Gary

[other one]

I agree OO. The U.S. has refused to do what it takes to win a war since WWII. Until we fight to win, we are just wasting resources and lives for nothing. But, perhaps that is "The Plan." People who are quick to call for war have no understanding of what they are REALLY calling for. Look what the last 2 fiascos have done to the U.S.

And to make this even worse, people in the government are not even allowed to define who the real enemy is and what they are and what they are in the process of doing.... and it's the enemy itself that is making that impossible... it's just remarkable how stupid our present government has become...

[Steve_S]

If you read the Koran, Buchari's Hadith and "Reliance of the Traveller" (authorized english version of Sharia Law) you will find that Islam is at war with western civilization and has been since just after world war II when we broke up the Caliphate..... and if the general public and thier governments don't grasp this, Islam will win this war....

Right now islam has no chance of winning anything against of west and this will remain as such for the foreseeable future. They're just incredibly weak military, INCREDIBLY weak.

Do you really not understand who are the ones that are incredibly weak? It was a sin for David to count the men of Israel ready for war for a specific reason. Numbers and military might are not a factor in who wins the war. The twin towers was a sample of what God is going to allow Islam to do to this nation. We are weak and feeble, ready to die as a nation because we have forsaken our God as a nation. Islam is more righteous before God than we are. They have a strict moral code while we have liberal excess of licentiousness. They fast for a whole month each year while we are the most obese of all peoples. The list goes on and on but people cannot see. Brace for impact.

In Jesus Name,

Gary

I don't even know where to begin here. Islam is more righteous before God than we are? There may not be as many as there were, but there ARE at the least tens of millions of Christians in this nation. One of the sole purposes of Islam is to destroy Christianity, more righteous before God? They lie about Jesus being the Son of God, more righteous? They lie about Moses, Abraham, Isaac, more righteous?

How many of the 10's of millions of Christians are lying about Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jesus? Understanding judgment is paramount in this case. It is about who God is going to use to judge whom. The fullness of the gentile nations has come in just as the fullness of those nations that Israel judged when they came into the land.

Gary

You're quite bent on this, I'm sorry to say. Touting the righteousness of one of the most hateful, idolatrous religions on earth is going a bit too far.

[JTC]

Unless I'm mistaken, what Gary means is that the Islamic people follow the precepts of their religion much more than we do. So God may very well see them as being righteous in the way they understand righteousness to be.

And just like He allowed other nations to over come and capture ancient Israel, He may do something similar to us. Unless we turn from our sins and repent of our evil ways.

The nation of Israel was God's chosen people in OT times, but I'd say we are His chosen people now. We started out as a nation who carried God in our bosom, and until the last 50 years or so, that was still true. He blessed us in WW2 because that was a war we were losing. So God blessed America and we won. But in the 50's the tide started to change, and by the 60's it did change. The 70's started what would become full bloom now.

I think Satan has much to do with this, as the unparalleled success of certain music and TV shows, paved the way for America's youth to believe we were doing nothing wrong with free sex, and idolizing fictional characters on TV, the movies, and in comic books. All this helped Americans give up on following God, and in many cases even believing in God. By the early 80's atheists were becoming common as were homosexuals.

Now we've reached a point where very few of us want to obey God, and give up as many sins as we can. To stop sinning one must will for it to happen. God isn't going to make it happen. What He will do is make it possible for us to do it. But we have to will for it to happen and want it to be. And when we see we have given up a certain sin, don't go back to it.

If we do this, we may not have to fight more wars. If we must fight Islam, then if we do this first, maybe then God will allow us to win.

[Steve_S]

Unless I'm mistaken, what Gary means is that the Islamic people follow the precepts of their religion much more than we do. So God may very well see them as being righteous in the way they understand righteousness to be.

And just like He allowed other nations to over come and capture ancient Israel, He may do something similar to us. Unless we turn from our sins and repent of our evil ways.

The nation of Israel was God's chosen people in OT times, but I'd say we are His chosen people now. We started out as a nation who carried God in our bosom, and until the last 50 years or so, that was still true. He blessed us in WW2 because that was a war we were losing. So God blessed America and we won. But in the 50's the tide started to change, and by the 60's it did change. The 70's started what would become full bloom now.

I think Satan has much to do with this, as the unparalleled success of certain music and TV shows, paved the way for America's youth to believe we were doing nothing wrong with free sex, and idolizing fictional characters on TV, the movies, and in comic books. All this helped Americans give up on following God, and in many cases even believing in God. By the early 80's atheists were becoming common as were homosexuals.

Now we've reached a point where very few of us want to obey God, and give up as many sins as we can. To stop sinning one must will for it to happen. God isn't going to make it happen. What He will do is make it possible for us to do it. But we have to will for it to happen and want it to be. And when we see we have given up a certain sin, don't go back to it.

If we do this, we may not have to fight more wars. If we must fight Islam, then if we do this first, maybe then God will allow us to win.

The united states has OBLITERATED every islamic army it has ever faced up to and including iraq and afghanistan. The united states doesn't seem to do so well in countries such as this after taking control of them due to guerrilla tactics. In light of this I must ask if you're saying that God will allow us to occupy and bend these countries wills successfully, because if you just look at it at face value, the islamics hit the world trade center and in return two of their entire countries got CONQUERED, occupied, and hundreds of thousands of them perished with a far smaller human toll in terms of lives lost on the side of the united states. The conquest of iraq in 2003 is probably the most swift defeat and subjugation of a country in the known history of warfare (about 84 hours to have almost total military control of a country with 30 million people who had a standing professional army and only using a combined force of 500,000, this is simply unparalleled in military history). So perhaps you mean that God will allow us to successfully occupy these nations? Their militaries were swiftly defeated and that is without dispute.

With regards to their righteousness, they persecute Christians and Jews on a grand scale. Even if you're a replacement theologian, which it seems you are, as you seem to think the old covenant has been entirely replaced by the new, they persecute Christians on a grand scale and they worship an idolatrous false god reading from religious texts that call Jesus a liar, I do not see how on earth you extrapolate this into righteousness. Being incredibly loyal to a false heathen god is just that, the very nature of that act is contrary to everything the scriptures call good. Comparing them with the church is lunacy, my friend.

[Sevenseas]

it's just remarkable how stupid our present government has become...

Do you REALLY believe stupidity is behind the doors? I certainly do not.

The best way to bring down a country is and always has been, the fifth column. It applies to individuals as well as to an entire nation.

uh...how many Muslims are in the US now?

And at the risk of bringing down the wrath of patriots on my un-American noggin (I've decided that a little humor is as good as diplomacy

so kindly back that up), boasting is NOT a good thing...kind of ties in with what someone else said further upstream...

runs for cover.............

[other one]

We obliterated dictators armies...... those armies kept those countries from being subjected to Sharia Law as their basic legal system. When the US came in and took out the dictators, or assessed the Islamics in defeating the dictators we made it possible for those countries to be ruled by Sharia Law....... and when that happened Christians started to be seriously persecuted....

The only real Islamic army we've come across is in Afganistan...... and we're still there and still loosing people and don't seem any closer to giving them something other than Sharia law....... which dictates the downfall of Western Civilization.

[Sevenseas]

With regards to their righteousness, they persecute Christians and Jews on a grand scale. Even if you're a replacement theologian, which it seems you are, as you seem to think the old covenant has been entirely replaced by the new, they persecute Christians on a grand scale and they worship an idolatrous false god reading from religious texts that call Jesus a liar, I do not see how on earth you extrapolate this into righteousness. Being incredibly loyal to a false heathen god is just that, the very nature of that act is contrary to everything the scriptures call good. Comparing them with the church is lunacy, my friend.

Clears throat: not speaking for Gary here, but....I know Christians who persecute Christians...and hate Jews...boggles the mind, no?

Well, he can always correct me, but I really do not read where he is stating that Muslims are now God's envoy....I really don't think he means it that way...

over to you.........Gary? (humor everyone, keep thinking I am a bit tongue in cheek although serious, and don't whack me)

[other one]

it's just remarkable how stupid our present government has become...

Do you REALLY believe stupidity is behind the doors? I certainly do not.

The best way to bring down a country is and always has been, the fifth column. It applies to individuals as well as to an entire nation.

uh...how many Muslims are in the US now?

And at the risk of bringing down the wrath of patriots on my un-American noggin (I've decided that a little humor is as good as diplomacy

so kindly back that up), boasting is NOT a good thing...kind of ties in with what someone else said further upstream...

runs for cover.............

Unless you believe that the last three administrations are trying to instill Islamic Law in the US, yes I do believe stupidity

If you do believe that..... well we might want to discuss it.